The ranking of one-loss teams.
But just for the sake of argument (and because I hate tyrone willingham's guts) let's say the Huskies fuck up and lose a game. In the final stretch of this season, UW has the 14th toughest schedule in the country compared to aTm's 40th. UW also has a chance to play for a conference championship. aTm doesn't.
S, why does UW have no margin of error, but other teams can lose a game and still get in? Why is ohio state's 1 loss (to friggin's penn state) any less egregious than if UW were to lose to usc?
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UW isn't going to get anywhere near the 14th toughest schedule in the country.
And the answer to your question about tOSU is that it's not just about the loss, it's about the wins. In that scenario tOSU has a monster win over Michigan (plus a good non con win at Oklahoma), while UW's best wins are Utah and ... WSU?
I think with equal losses tOSU and TAMU are likely to have superior resumes (though TAMU's would be debatable for sure and may depend on what happens from here out).
The committee picking a 1 loss TAMU over a 1 loss UW wouldn't be indefensible. Picking a 1 loss TAMU over an undefeated UW would be, but that's not going to happen. -
black sark will lose another game, so not even worth discussing them.
Ohio State beat Oklahoma on the road in the nonconference and play in a tougher conference, so I think a 1 loss tOSU is clearly more deserving that a 1 loss UW.
A 1 loss Michigan who loses their conference is maybe a different story. but this is Michigan so they'll get the subjective benefit of the doubt.
Louisville is interesting because they wouldn't win the conference and they haven't really beaten anyone outside of a 5-3 FSU team.
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I guess you can argue if Louisville beats Houston (who really isn't that good) in Houston that's a good non conference win. Honestly after watching them not sure they will win that game
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Pretty sure the Committee doesn't want to be seen as favoring
one conference over another. Also they are on record as giving great
weight to conference champs. Could easily see Washington and
OSU as one loss conference champs being picked over one loss
A and M without a title. I think there's room for a USC fuckup. -
Disagree. If UW gets one loss it's not just a hypothetical 1 loss TAMU UW has to beat out, it's a hypothetical 1 loss Michigan and hypothetical 1 loss Louisville and whoever else.whuggy said:Pretty sure the Committee doesn't want to be seen as favoring
one conference over another. Also they are on record as giving great
weight to conference champs. Could easily see Washington and
OSU as one loss conference champs being picked over one loss
A and M without a title. I think there's room for a USC fuckup.
If UW drops a game we're settling for the Rose Bowel. -
yes. most likely Louisville Ohio State and A&M would have to take another loss. which I guess is possible but highly unlikely.dnc said:
Disagree. If UW gets one loss it's not just a hypothetical 1 loss TAMU UW has to beat out, it's a hypothetical 1 loss Michigan and hypothetical 1 loss Louisville and whoever else.whuggy said:Pretty sure the Committee doesn't want to be seen as favoring
one conference over another. Also they are on record as giving great
weight to conference champs. Could easily see Washington and
OSU as one loss conference champs being picked over one loss
A and M without a title. I think there's room for a USC fuckup.
If UW drops a game we're settling for the Rose Bowel.
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Our best odds at making the playoff with 1 loss are probably to lose to Cal and then win out with Colorado in the P12 champ game. Maybe could pull it off with an ASU loss as well but the computers will hurt us more for losing at home.
We'd have a decent case against 1 loss teams that aren't conference champs by being a conference champ but we'd also invite being passed by a 2-loss conference champ with a stronger profile like Wisconsin or Oklahoma if they were to win their conferences. -
One loss Michigan to OSU takes Michigan outdnc said:
Disagree. If UW gets one loss it's not just a hypothetical 1 loss TAMU UW has to beat out, it's a hypothetical 1 loss Michigan and hypothetical 1 loss Louisville and whoever else.whuggy said:Pretty sure the Committee doesn't want to be seen as favoring
one conference over another. Also they are on record as giving great
weight to conference champs. Could easily see Washington and
OSU as one loss conference champs being picked over one loss
A and M without a title. I think there's room for a USC fuckup.
If UW drops a game we're settling for the Rose Bowel.
of the conf. championship discussion doesn't it? -
Hasn't that already happened?dnc said:The committee picking a 1 loss TAMU over a 1 loss UW wouldn't be indefensible. Picking a 1 loss TAMU over an undefeated UW would be, but that's not going to happen.
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I can't see any way they will take a 2 loss team.whlinder said:Our best odds at making the playoff with 1 loss are probably to lose to Cal and then win out with Colorado in the P12 champ game. Maybe could pull it off with an ASU loss as well but the computers will hurt us more for losing at home.
We'd have a decent case against 1 loss teams that aren't conference champs by being a conference champ but we'd also invite being passed by a 2-loss conference champ with a stronger profile like Wisconsin or Oklahoma if they were to win their conferences.
One loss Washington will have a decent profile
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Washington hasn't won the Pac-12 yet.TTJ said:
Hasn't that already happened?dnc said:The committee picking a 1 loss TAMU over a 1 loss UW wouldn't be indefensible. Picking a 1 loss TAMU over an undefeated UW would be, but that's not going to happen.
If Washington does so with a 13-0 record, it will be in the playoff without a doubt.
The Huskies might also get in by winning the conference with a 12-1 record.
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Summed up perfectly.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Washington hasn't won the Pac-12 yet.TTJ said:
Hasn't that already happened?dnc said:The committee picking a 1 loss TAMU over a 1 loss UW wouldn't be indefensible. Picking a 1 loss TAMU over an undefeated UW would be, but that's not going to happen.
If Washington does so with a 13-0 record, it will be in the playoff without a doubt.
The Huskies might also get in by winning the conference with a 12-1 record.
HTH -
Yes, but you're making a massive assumption that a conference title Trumps all. Yes, it's only been conference champs so far but we're talking about a small two year sample, but we can just as easily poont to the fact that nobody's made the playoff with a loss and as weak of a schedule as UW has this year so far.whuggy said:
One loss Michigan to OSU takes Michigan outdnc said:
Disagree. If UW gets one loss it's not just a hypothetical 1 loss TAMU UW has to beat out, it's a hypothetical 1 loss Michigan and hypothetical 1 loss Louisville and whoever else.whuggy said:Pretty sure the Committee doesn't want to be seen as favoring
one conference over another. Also they are on record as giving great
weight to conference champs. Could easily see Washington and
OSU as one loss conference champs being picked over one loss
A and M without a title. I think there's room for a USC fuckup.
If UW drops a game we're settling for the Rose Bowel.
of the conf. championship discussion doesn't it?
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Just going by what the Committee has reportedlydnc said:
Yes, but you're making a massive assumption that a conference title Trumps all. Yes, it's only been conference champs so far but we're talking about a small two year sample, but we can just as easily poont to the fact that nobody's made the playoff with a loss and as weak of a schedule as UW has this year so far.whuggy said:
One loss Michigan to OSU takes Michigan outdnc said:
Disagree. If UW gets one loss it's not just a hypothetical 1 loss TAMU UW has to beat out, it's a hypothetical 1 loss Michigan and hypothetical 1 loss Louisville and whoever else.whuggy said:Pretty sure the Committee doesn't want to be seen as favoring
one conference over another. Also they are on record as giving great
weight to conference champs. Could easily see Washington and
OSU as one loss conference champs being picked over one loss
A and M without a title. I think there's room for a USC fuckup.
If UW drops a game we're settling for the Rose Bowel.
of the conf. championship discussion doesn't it?
A 1 loss Michigan would be a real threat, especially if that game is close.
stated that they put great value on conf. champion.
That reads to me as they value a champion more than they
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Plus I just don't think that want the shitstorm thatdnc said:
Yes, but you're making a massive assumption that a conference title Trumps all. Yes, it's only been conference champs so far but we're talking about a small two year sample, but we can just as easily poont to the fact that nobody's made the playoff with a loss and as weak of a schedule as UW has this year so far.whuggy said:
One loss Michigan to OSU takes Michigan outdnc said:
Disagree. If UW gets one loss it's not just a hypothetical 1 loss TAMU UW has to beat out, it's a hypothetical 1 loss Michigan and hypothetical 1 loss Louisville and whoever else.whuggy said:Pretty sure the Committee doesn't want to be seen as favoring
one conference over another. Also they are on record as giving great
weight to conference champs. Could easily see Washington and
OSU as one loss conference champs being picked over one loss
A and M without a title. I think there's room for a USC fuckup.
If UW drops a game we're settling for the Rose Bowel.
of the conf. championship discussion doesn't it?
A 1 loss Michigan would be a real threat, especially if that game is close.
will come their way by including two teams from the same conference. -
Sincerely, spadoFS, hoops 2012whuggy said:
Just going by what the Committee has reportedlydnc said:
Yes, but you're making a massive assumption that a conference title Trumps all. Yes, it's only been conference champs so far but we're talking about a small two year sample, but we can just as easily poont to the fact that nobody's made the playoff with a loss and as weak of a schedule as UW has this year so far.whuggy said:
One loss Michigan to OSU takes Michigan outdnc said:
Disagree. If UW gets one loss it's not just a hypothetical 1 loss TAMU UW has to beat out, it's a hypothetical 1 loss Michigan and hypothetical 1 loss Louisville and whoever else.whuggy said:Pretty sure the Committee doesn't want to be seen as favoring
one conference over another. Also they are on record as giving great
weight to conference champs. Could easily see Washington and
OSU as one loss conference champs being picked over one loss
A and M without a title. I think there's room for a USC fuckup.
If UW drops a game we're settling for the Rose Bowel.
of the conf. championship discussion doesn't it?
A 1 loss Michigan would be a real threat, especially if that game is close.
stated that they put great value on conf. champion.
That reads to me as they value a champion more than they
devalue a loss. -
Wisconsin, with two really close losses to Michigan and Ohio State, plus a non-conference win against LSU, if it turns around and beats Michigan or OSU in the B12 champ, has a better profile than we do. The committee has 5 B1G teams in the top 12 don't forget. B1G is also playing 9 conference games this year so their end of the year SoS will be pretty strong.whuggy said:
I can't see any way they will take a 2 loss team.whlinder said:Our best odds at making the playoff with 1 loss are probably to lose to Cal and then win out with Colorado in the P12 champ game. Maybe could pull it off with an ASU loss as well but the computers will hurt us more for losing at home.
We'd have a decent case against 1 loss teams that aren't conference champs by being a conference champ but we'd also invite being passed by a 2-loss conference champ with a stronger profile like Wisconsin or Oklahoma if they were to win their conferences.
One loss Washington will have a decent profile
especially with wins over WSU and USC/Colorado.
10-2 Oklahoma, which would be 9-0 in the B12 with losses to Ohio State and Houston... I dunno.
The long term takeaway here is that it is better for a conference to have 35-50% of your teams be really fucking good and have the rest of your conference be absolute fucking dreck than to have 75-90% of your teams be meh. More emphasis is placed on your top end games, even if complemented by complete dreck, than on playing a bunch of middle-tier games.
(not that the P12 is middle tier this year but due to the fact we play 9 conf games the end of year records will reflect a bunch of middle tier teams) -
Now stop and think for a second....if UW loses to WSU, we not only miss the playoffs, but the Rose Bowl as well. 11-1, going to the fuck off bowel. Jesus. I'll kill everything.
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Sagarin says that, as or right now, UW has the 14th toughest schedule the rest of the way.dnc said:UW isn't going to get anywhere near the 14th toughest schedule in the country.
The thing that is more aggravating is that apparently getting ass-raped by alabama (which happened to the aggies) is apparently a badge of honor.
Whatever, this is all just conversation and having something to talk about. Just win. That's it. Just win. -
Cougs everywhere are already on NTD, BB mode on this.Swaye said:Now stop and think for a second....if UW loses to WSU, we not only miss the playoffs, but the Rose Bowl as well. 11-1, going to the fuck off bowel. Jesus. I'll kill everything.
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I'll be surprised if the kewgs go undefeated the rest of the way. Their great and historic come-from-behind victory against mighty oregon state showed how vulnerable they are.Swaye said:Now stop and think for a second....if UW loses to WSU, we not only miss the playoffs, but the Rose Bowl as well. 11-1, going to the fuck off bowel. Jesus. I'll kill everything.
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8 games * 69th schedule + 5 games * 14th schedule = 14th.Passion said:
Sagarin says that, as or right now, UW has the 14th toughest schedule the rest of the way.dnc said:UW isn't going to get anywhere near the 14th toughest schedule in the country.
The thing that is more aggravating is that apparently getting ass-raped by alabama (which happened to the aggies) is apparently a badge of honor.
Whatever, this is all just conversation and having something to talk about. Just win. That's it. Just win.
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But tell me you can't see this happening. We have suffered through 15 years of shit, and when we finally put a great season together WSU not only knocks us out of the CFP, but the Rose Bowl as well, with a worse record, and a loss to EWU. I will literally kill everything. You are in Virginia, so just turn on the local news after the game, and wait until they start showing the police chopper footage from Winchester.Passion said:
I'll be surprised if the kewgs go undefeated the rest of the way. Their great and historic come-from-behind victory against mighty oregon state showed how vulnerable they are.Swaye said:Now stop and think for a second....if UW loses to WSU, we not only miss the playoffs, but the Rose Bowl as well. 11-1, going to the fuck off bowel. Jesus. I'll kill everything.
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Of course I can see it happening. Just because Petersen and Kwiatkowski may be releasing me after 15 years inside Husky prison doesn't mean I can't remember what a pounding my anus took.Swaye said:
But tell me you can't see this happening. We have suffered through 15 years of shit, and when we finally put a great season together WSU not only knocks us out of the CFP, but the Rose Bowl as well, with a worse record, and a loss to EWU. I will literally kill everything. You are in Virginia, so just turn on the local news after the game, and wait until they start showing the police chopper footage from Winchester.Passion said:
I'll be surprised if the kewgs go undefeated the rest of the way. Their great and historic come-from-behind victory against mighty oregon state showed how vulnerable they are.Swaye said:Now stop and think for a second....if UW loses to WSU, we not only miss the playoffs, but the Rose Bowl as well. 11-1, going to the fuck off bowel. Jesus. I'll kill everything.
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Same here.Passion said:
Of course I can see it happening. Just because Petersen and Kwiatkowski may be releasing me after 15 years inside Husky prison doesn't mean I can't remember what a pounding my anus took.Swaye said:
But tell me you can't see this happening. We have suffered through 15 years of shit, and when we finally put a great season together WSU not only knocks us out of the CFP, but the Rose Bowl as well, with a worse record, and a loss to EWU. I will literally kill everything. You are in Virginia, so just turn on the local news after the game, and wait until they start showing the police chopper footage from Winchester.Passion said:
I'll be surprised if the kewgs go undefeated the rest of the way. Their great and historic come-from-behind victory against mighty oregon state showed how vulnerable they are.Swaye said:Now stop and think for a second....if UW loses to WSU, we not only miss the playoffs, but the Rose Bowl as well. 11-1, going to the fuck off bowel. Jesus. I'll kill everything.
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They can lose one of these three and still win the tiebreaker:Passion said:
I'll be surprised if the kewgs go undefeated the rest of the way. Their great and historic come-from-behind victory against mighty oregon state showed how vulnerable they are.Swaye said:Now stop and think for a second....if UW loses to WSU, we not only miss the playoffs, but the Rose Bowl as well. 11-1, going to the fuck off bowel. Jesus. I'll kill everything.
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A close loss to USC might not be horribly damaging, presuming the Huskies win the conference championship game.
A loss in the Apple Cup would absolutely tank any shot at the playoff.
Losses in either of the other two games would be somewhere in between, but if the Huskies can't mop the floor with Cal and ASU, I really don't want to see them playing Bama or Clemson. -
Some of us have a strong little brother syndrome to USC. Is this what it's like when washington is good? Always thinking they will lose to usc? I have no frame of reference.
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Shake it off, red brother.Swaye said:
But tell me you can't see this happening. We have suffered through 15 years of shit, and when we finally put a great season together WSU not only knocks us out of the CFP, but the Rose Bowl as well, with a worse record, and a loss to EWU. I will literally kill everything. You are in Virginia, so just turn on the local news after the game, and wait until they start showing the police chopper footage from Winchester.Passion said:
I'll be surprised if the kewgs go undefeated the rest of the way. Their great and historic come-from-behind victory against mighty oregon state showed how vulnerable they are.Swaye said:Now stop and think for a second....if UW loses to WSU, we not only miss the playoffs, but the Rose Bowl as well. 11-1, going to the fuck off bowel. Jesus. I'll kill everything.
The fucking Coogers are not going to be the team that trips up our return to glory. They fucking suck, and we're going to knock them down and then go up in them - dry.
Don't let that stop you from going bananas and whacking a bunch of people, though. It's not like they don't have it coming. You'll just be doing it out of joy rather than rage.
We're not going to lose a Pac 12 game. Fuck no.
