PeterNorthDawg Calls Out Dawgman Censorship
“[Woodward] forced Dawgman to control and stifle dissent on these boards. (I don’t blame Dawgman for that)”http://northwestfootballfucktards.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/poster-calls-out-censorship-on-dawgman/
HHBs, I think Fetters wants to know when he's ever censored comments at Doogman. Someone should help him out with this one.
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I love how condescending those pricks are. I really hope this site can take off and I think it's going to especially if Sark is brought back after another terrible year.
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How much money could Kim be making off that site? He has to pay the Army of Tards, lots of travel expense, and 100 bucks a year, even with 1000 subs isn't exactly rolling in it. Granted, I don't know a ton about monetization with websites, so perhaps Fox pays them all something? Ad revenue?He_Needs_More_Time said:I love how condescending those pricks are. I really hope this site can take off and I think it's going to especially if Sark is brought back after another terrible year.
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Well, thus far I'm making exactly jack and shit from mine. Of course, I average 200 or so hits a day.
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You have subscriptions and then ad revenue. I bet their income is entirely subscriptions. That kind of traffic would be worth a lot (for advertising) if it was on a porn, financial or health site. Sports site? Its worthless.Swaye said:
How much money could Kim be making off that site? He has to pay the Army of Tards, lots of travel expense, and 100 bucks a year, even with 1000 subs isn't exactly rolling in it. Granted, I don't know a ton about monetization with websites, so perhaps Fox pays them all something? Ad revenue?He_Needs_More_Time said:I love how condescending those pricks are. I really hope this site can take off and I think it's going to especially if Sark is brought back after another terrible year.
I would love to see Kim go broke.
I heard a while back they had 4,000. Maybe they have 5000 now. Scout probably gets half so lets assume revs of 25K/month. Scout probably pays for some of the expenses. A couple grand goes to Fetters & Ecklund, then Dave & Kim probably split the rest. Say they pay F&E 3K and have 4K of expenses then leaves 7500/mo for Kim.
Don't think he will go broke anytime soon. It's a nice source of income but certainly quite small compared to Kim's ego.
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Fetters has 20% share of ownership
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We are making a pretty penny here. That's all I know.
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No way in hell they have 4,000 subscribers. Where did you hear that figure? On their busiest day they maybe have 350 people in chat. Assuming that's only 20% of subscribers (and I'm being generous), that's only 1,750.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
You have subscriptions and then ad revenue. I bet their income is entirely subscriptions. That kind of traffic would be worth a lot (for advertising) if it was on a porn, financial or health site. Sports site? Its worthless.Swaye said:
How much money could Kim be making off that site? He has to pay the Army of Tards, lots of travel expense, and 100 bucks a year, even with 1000 subs isn't exactly rolling in it. Granted, I don't know a ton about monetization with websites, so perhaps Fox pays them all something? Ad revenue?He_Needs_More_Time said:I love how condescending those pricks are. I really hope this site can take off and I think it's going to especially if Sark is brought back after another terrible year.
I would love to see Kim go broke.
I heard a while back they had 4,000. Maybe they have 5000 now. Scout probably gets half so lets assume revs of 25K/month. Scout probably pays for some of the expenses. A couple grand goes to Fetters & Ecklund, then Dave & Kim probably split the rest. Say they pay F&E 3K and have 4K of expenses then leaves 7500/mo for Kim.
Don't think he will go broke anytime soon. It's a nice source of income but certainly quite small compared to Kim's ego.
1,750 * 11 = $19,250/mth. Fox easily takes 50%. So now it's 9,250. And you need to feed Scott & Fatters, and whatever Samek gets.
Remember Kim had a second job for a long time, and Ecklund has a second job. These guys are not getting rich.
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http://northwestfootballfucktards.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/poster-calls-out-censorship-on-dawgman/BiggusDickus said:Gets the smug "huh?" treatment from F3 and Samek.
“[Woodward] forced Dawgman to control and stifle dissent on these boards. (I don’t blame Dawgman for that)”
HHBs, I think Fetters wants to know when he's ever censored comments at Doogman. Someone should help him out with this one.
Fetters said "link?" It would be wrong to link this place. Wrong. -
Post a picture of a link sausage. Perhaps a picture of him in his Absolute Mustard shirt that is about 3xxx sizes too small. Those links would be fitting for that condescending prick.
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Or post links to big sausage pizza and meatspin.loadsock said:Post a picture of a link sausage. Perhaps a picture of him in his Absolute Mustard shirt that is about 3xxx sizes too small. Those links would be fitting for that condescending prick.
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I'm thinking of a picture of him waddling into Varlamo's Pizza before he sits down and murders an 18 inch meat lovers and a large basket of garlic bread.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Or post links to big sausage pizza and meatspin.loadsock said:Post a picture of a link sausage. Perhaps a picture of him in his Absolute Mustard shirt that is about 3xxx sizes too small. Those links would be fitting for that condescending prick.
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I don't believe that doogman.com is forced into anything by pool boy. Sorry, but I just don't. The doogman management and staff of insider experts simply aren't adversarial nor can they really be passionate about whether or not Husky Football ever again wins big or not where it counts on the scoreboard. Samek, Fetters, Grinalds, et al are not Dawgfans or fanatical about anything other than their web site. They are media entrepreneurs and have decided to rub-out any and all decent and negativism because that is what their doog customers want.
Total losing as went on and on with Tyrone could not have been good for doogman.com's business, but recall that the site's management and staff while never complaining about Willingham also tolerated us negadawgs all the way until they decided that 7-6 Sark was good for their business and adversarial detractors and frontrunners such as us were not. It really in my opinion has nothing to do with some kind of working relationship doogman.com may have with pool boy....... It has everything to do with making certain the content on their site is as user friendly as they can make it for their preferred subscribers........ most of whom are not us or even close.
Think about it. Most of the posters at doogman.com are not nearly as passionate as we are about Husky Football as it used to be and most of us want it to be again. The doogman staff cater to the doog style of fanaticism for mediocrity with overhyped bullshit about everything from Sark's recruiting to the propagandized X's and O's of Sark's football program. The doogman.com folks do this to drum up interest in a Husky Football program that shows up each season with a 7-6 or thereabouts quality and if it should happen to do better, then there's a prospect for more subscription sales so long as they can keep the sourness of reality and our negativism out of their product.
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Doogman is totally in bed with Pool Boy. Derek even had an actual phone conversation with Kim about how they finally respect Doogman.
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Tailgater, you have zero idea what takes place there. They may not be getting told directly to "censor" the info, but the access to the site is held over their head on a daily basis in regards to what they allow to transpire on that website. In fact, Kim has said as much, but deleted the thread pretty quickly after admitting such.
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Should have said "access to the program" instead of "access to the site"....
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It used to be fun in the old days, like 10 years ago. Actually I think this website is the most hopeful shot at "legitimizing" the online presence of more or less rational Washington fans. Most HHB sites don't last longer than a year or two. I think I gave up on doogman for good around 2010. It took a little while to get used to the near total lack of censorship. Some people are never going to be able to stand it.Tailgater said:I don't believe that doogman.com is forced into anything by pool boy. Sorry, but I just don't. The doogman management and staff of insider experts simply aren't adversarial nor can they really be passionate about whether or not Husky Football ever again wins big or not where it counts on the scoreboard. Samek, Fetters, Grinalds, et al are not Dawgfans or fanatical about anything other than their web site. They are media entrepreneurs and have decided to rub-out any and all decent and negativism because that is what their doog customers want.
Total losing as went on and on with Tyrone could not have been good for doogman.com's business, but recall that the site's management and staff while never complaining about Willingham also tolerated us negadawgs all the way until they decided that 7-6 Sark was good for their business and adversarial detractors and frontrunners such as us were not. It really in my opinion has nothing to do with some kind of working relationship doogman.com may have with pool boy....... It has everything to do with making certain the content on their site is as user friendly as they can make it for their preferred subscribers........ most of whom are not us or even close.
Think about it. Most of the posters at doogman.com are not nearly as passionate as we are about Husky Football as it used to be and most of us want it to be again. The doogman staff cater to the doog style of fanaticism for mediocrity with overhyped bullshit about everything from Sark's recruiting to the propagandized X's and O's of Sark's football program. The doogman.com folks do this to drum up interest in a Husky Football program that shows up each season with a 7-6 or thereabouts quality and if it should happen to do better, then there's a prospect for more subscription sales so long as they can keep the sourness of reality and our negativism out of their product.
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F3 and Kum can spin it all they want but at the end of the day they make ends meet by running a message board thats stalks young boys.
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To chrisvashon,
The vast majority of the members there do not post. I'm sure they have at least a few thousand members. Plenty of people have signed up and forgotten about it. -
Before the season F3 posted that their subscriber base was about 5% the capacity of the stadium in a thread about entrance music. So 3500-4000 sounds about right unless he's making that up.
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Dawgman.com would never just make stuff up, it just wouldn't be like them to do such a thing.section8 said:Before the season F3 posted that their subscriber base was about 5% the capacity of the stadium in a thread about entrance music. So 3500-4000 sounds about right unless he's making that up.
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This is the kind of info that keeps me shelling out my 10 bucks a month. Premium bitches!HeretoBeatmyChest said:
You have subscriptions and then ad revenue. I bet their income is entirely subscriptions. That kind of traffic would be worth a lot (for advertising) if it was on a porn, financial or health site. Sports site? Its worthless.Swaye said:
How much money could Kim be making off that site? He has to pay the Army of Tards, lots of travel expense, and 100 bucks a year, even with 1000 subs isn't exactly rolling in it. Granted, I don't know a ton about monetization with websites, so perhaps Fox pays them all something? Ad revenue?He_Needs_More_Time said:I love how condescending those pricks are. I really hope this site can take off and I think it's going to especially if Sark is brought back after another terrible year.
I would love to see Kim go broke.
I heard a while back they had 4,000. Maybe they have 5000 now. Scout probably gets half so lets assume revs of 25K/month. Scout probably pays for some of the expenses. A couple grand goes to Fetters & Ecklund, then Dave & Kim probably split the rest. Say they pay F&E 3K and have 4K of expenses then leaves 7500/mo for Kim.
Don't think he will go broke anytime soon. It's a nice source of income but certainly quite small compared to Kim's ego.
Good numbers to chew on, and probably somewhat close to the realm of reality. I have always wondered how he managed to keep a few people paid on what looked like somewhat meager revenue, but 25K a month is nothing to sneeze at when all you have to do to get it is field complaint PM's from Doogs (LOL), wear stupid pants, feed Fetters nachos, and make up utter nonsense that lap dog re re's eat up by the bucket load. -
There's no way F3's food budget is feasible with those numbers Chest posted. He must be running annual budget deficits in order to afford a lavish mustard lifestyle.
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What is sad is that eating healthier can cost way more.unfrozencaveman said:There's no way F3's food budget is feasible with those numbers Chest posted. He must be running annual budget deficits in order to afford a lavish mustard lifestyle.
Although F3 is probably the kind of fat guy who never eats in front of people and then on his way home from work orders $25 of McDonalds and gorges it all down in one sitting. -
You do get plungered for vegan and you actually have to take time and effort to prepare it. Far cheaper and easier to fill up onsome crap. Thats why Americans are fat.CuntWaffle said:
What is sad is that eating healthier can cost way more.unfrozencaveman said:. There's no way F3's food budget is feasible with those numbers Chest posted. He must be running annual budget deficits in order to afford a lavish mustard lifestyle.
Although F3 is probably the kind of fat guy who never eats in front of people and then on his way home from work orders $25 of McDonalds and gorges it all down in one sitting. -
Here's my take on it, and I have no real information. Sark and Woody pretend to buddy up to Kim and basically say, "You suck our nuts, we will scratch yours." The doogman staff makes sure things don't get too out of line criticizing UW coaches and the AD. They also from time to time will post on doogman about all of the things they are doing right.
In return, Sark allows assistant coaches and recruits to go on their shitty radio show. They also probably get some useless off the record info from time to time. This makes Kim feel important and let's Woodward and Sark control the board. The truth is, Kim is getting played harder than a heavy metal drum set by Woodward and Sark. -
No, it was in person at a bar. He wasn't drunk by any means, but he had had several drinks when he told me that.He_Needs_More_Time said:Doogman is totally in bed with Pool Boy. Derek even had an actual phone conversation with Kim about how they finally respect Doogman.
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DP206 told me that at a recruiting banquet, Kim told him that Sark semi-threatened him and said do you want to be Nordstrom or Wall Mart.
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A few years ago Kim and I went back and forth a bit. He insisted on making my articles premium, while I wanted them free for wider distribution. His argument (and valid from his point of view) was that it made the articles more valuable to have to pay for them. If I recall correctly, we were discussing numbers and I argued that having 50-100,000 people read an article was more valuable to me than 3,000+ potentially reading the article. We compromised 50/50, as I recall.section8 said:Before the season F3 posted that their subscriber base was about 5% the capacity of the stadium in a thread about entrance music. So 3500-4000 sounds about right unless he's making that up.
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I agree that most probably don't post, hence my 20% estimate. Honestly, there is just no way they have 4,000+ subscribers. People don't forget about a monthly fee. Maybe for a month or two, but I just don't think there are hundreds of people who see $12 for Doogman on their credit card statement and just let it slide.HeretoBeatmyChest said:To chrisvashon,
The vast majority of the members there do not post. I'm sure they have at least a few thousand members. Plenty of people have signed up and forgotten about it.
There are <50 regular posters over there. And about 15 of those generate 99% of the content. During super sexy chat time, they rarely - very rarely - crack 300 (this according to the two years when I was a member). People signing up for a recruiting website make it a priority to get into things like super undercover info chat sessions. But, even if we are being conservative and saying that 80% of users don't check out the chats or ever post, we're still talking far less than 2,000 subscribers overall.
All of this is, of course speculation. But what isn't speculation, as I pointed out, is that Ecklund has another job and Kim, for a long time, had another gig. If this thing was printing money, they wouldn't need to supplement their income. Or do other money grabs like a signing day party in fucking Kirkland.
And the best part is <b>they fucking know the business they've built is fragile and barely getting by.
Thriving business are not terrified of competitors. And Doogman is scared shitless of little sites like ours. I've never seen a message board where links to similar types of sites are deleted (and prohibited in the rules!). Just a mention of hardcorehusky will get you a "time out."
Kim knows he doesn't know shit about football. Other sites are breaking down plays, producing high quality videos, educating their viewers (eg california golden blogs does a great breakdown of key plays after every game).
Kim, Ecklud, Fetters -- they are totally incapable of adding insight or thoughtfulness to their coverage. All they do is regurgitate. Literally. Their content is a video of a press conference. Or a transcription of Sark's radio show! It's pathetic. I bet they don't even know HOW to edit video.
All of this is to say their only competitive advantage is that they cornered the market. And, for some reason, no credible or competent (hi Ruth!) competitors ever challenged their dominance. That's it. And that's why they're so scared of us.
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The funny part is that F3 and doogman ask for proof as if they don't delete basically everything that rocks the boat. I would have all the screenshots I need if I didn't have 3/4 of my posts deleted and wasn't perma-banned.
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