Healthcare costs about to rise 44-62% because of ObamaCare
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nogaf
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Dont give a fuck? Sounds like you're still mooching off your parents policy.doogie said:nogaf
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Just like Obamacare was going to crater the economy.
And death panels. -
We should rename the Friday Sacrifice to the Friday Death Panels2001400ex said:Just like Obamacare was going to crater the economy.
And death panels. -
Death panels were the best feature about Obamacare.2001400ex said:Just like Obamacare was going to crater the economy.
And death panels. -
maybe I enjoy paying higher premiums with reduced coverage, higher co-pays and higher deductibles knowing I am helping to support 18-24 year old Syrian refugees, who won't fight for their own country recieve world class healthcare for free. Have you ever thought of that?MisterEm said:
Dont give a fuck? Sounds like you're still mooching off your parents policy.doogie said:nogaf
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It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
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There actually is some truth in that.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
I'm not necessarily in favor of a single payer system or death panels - but the amount of money spent in the last days of life is absolutely ridiculous.
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You realize the profit margin for health insurers is around 4% right?OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE. -
Bullshit.greenblood said:
You realize the profit margin for health insurers is around 4% right?OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE. -
The fact that the profit margin is only 4% (if true) doesn't mean that the health insurance industry isn't adding a lot to the cost of our national health care. It could be adding 40% to the cost, but still only have a profit margin of 4%. Sounds like you don't understand a lot about how corporations handle expenses such as executive salaries, etc.greenblood said:
You realize the profit margin for health insurers is around 4% right?OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE. -
So what's a couple million dollars to a multi billion dollars?OZONE said:
The fact that the profit margin is only 4% (if true) doesn't mean that the health insurance industry isn't adding a lot to the cost of our national health care. It could be adding 40% to the cost, but still only have a profit margin of 4%. Sounds like you don't understand a lot about how corporations handle expenses such as executive salaries, etc.greenblood said:
You realize the profit margin for health insurers is around 4% right?OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE. -
But the government is so much more efficient.OZONE said:
The fact that the profit margin is only 4% (if true) doesn't mean that the health insurance industry isn't adding a lot to the cost of our national health care. It could be adding 40% to the cost, but still only have a profit margin of 4%. Sounds like you don't understand a lot about how corporations handle expenses such as executive salaries, etc.greenblood said:
You realize the profit margin for health insurers is around 4% right?OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
Look at the VA you ignorant retard. It's criminal what the government does to our vets. But who cares...sign me up!!! -
http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payer/top-health-insurance-ceo-pay-exceeds-10-million-2014greenblood said:
So what's a couple million dollars to a multi billion dollars?OZONE said:
The fact that the profit margin is only 4% (if true) doesn't mean that the health insurance industry isn't adding a lot to the cost of our national health care. It could be adding 40% to the cost, but still only have a profit margin of 4%. Sounds like you don't understand a lot about how corporations handle expenses such as executive salaries, etc.greenblood said:
You realize the profit margin for health insurers is around 4% right?OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE. -
Again...we are talking about billions. A couple million to even 20-30 million is nothing when compared to the billions in out going expenses each year. You show me where executive compensation makes up more than 1 percent of total expenses then we can talk.2001400ex said:
http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payer/top-health-insurance-ceo-pay-exceeds-10-million-2014greenblood said:
So what's a couple million dollars to a multi billion dollars?OZONE said:
The fact that the profit margin is only 4% (if true) doesn't mean that the health insurance industry isn't adding a lot to the cost of our national health care. It could be adding 40% to the cost, but still only have a profit margin of 4%. Sounds like you don't understand a lot about how corporations handle expenses such as executive salaries, etc.greenblood said:
You realize the profit margin for health insurers is around 4% right?OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE. -
greenblood said:
You realize the profit margin for health insurers is around 4% right?OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdyaLWMt6qA -
greenblood said:
So what's a couple million dollars to a multi billion dollars?OZONE said:
The fact that the profit margin is only 4% (if true) doesn't mean that the health insurance industry isn't adding a lot to the cost of our national health care. It could be adding 40% to the cost, but still only have a profit margin of 4%. Sounds like you don't understand a lot about how corporations handle expenses such as executive salaries, etc.greenblood said:
You realize the profit margin for health insurers is around 4% right?OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZeDFwTcnCc -
You of course realized that if insurance companies don't make a profit, they don't have money to pay large claims. I would much rather have an insurance company that barely squeaks by and then when I need them, don't have money to pay. That's what I like.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
And like Greenblood mentioned, single payer government healthcare sure is working out wonderfully with the VA. -
That's the point. The VA is underfunded and vets shouldn't have to deal with lesser care than what everyone else gets. Single payer solves the VA.Alexis said:
You of course realized that if insurance companies don't make a profit, they don't have money to pay large claims. I would much rather have an insurance company that barely squeaks by and then when I need them, don't have money to pay. That's what I like.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
And like Greenblood mentioned, single payer government healthcare sure is working out wonderfully with the VA.
I like it when someone says something thinking it's helping their point, when in reality, it's making the opposite point. -
So you want everybody to have shitty underfunded health care?2001400ex said:
That's the point. The VA is underfunded and vets shouldn't have to deal with lesser care than what everyone else gets. Single payer solves the VA.Alexis said:
You of course realized that if insurance companies don't make a profit, they don't have money to pay large claims. I would much rather have an insurance company that barely squeaks by and then when I need them, don't have money to pay. That's what I like.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
And like Greenblood mentioned, single payer government healthcare sure is working out wonderfully with the VA.
I like it when someone says something thinking it's helping their point, when in reality, it's making the opposite point. -
Isn't that what we? have now?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
So you want everybody to have shitty underfunded health care?2001400ex said:
That's the point. The VA is underfunded and vets shouldn't have to deal with lesser care than what everyone else gets. Single payer solves the VA.Alexis said:
You of course realized that if insurance companies don't make a profit, they don't have money to pay large claims. I would much rather have an insurance company that barely squeaks by and then when I need them, don't have money to pay. That's what I like.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
And like Greenblood mentioned, single payer government healthcare sure is working out wonderfully with the VA.
I like it when someone says something thinking it's helping their point, when in reality, it's making the opposite point. -
Boy, you sure told me2001400ex said:
That's the point. The VA is underfunded and vets shouldn't have to deal with lesser care than what everyone else gets. Single payer solves the VA.Alexis said:
You of course realized that if insurance companies don't make a profit, they don't have money to pay large claims. I would much rather have an insurance company that barely squeaks by and then when I need them, don't have money to pay. That's what I like.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
And like Greenblood mentioned, single payer government healthcare sure is working out wonderfully with the VA.
I like it when someone says something thinking it's helping their point, when in reality, it's making the opposite point. -
Sounds like a concession to me.Alexis said:
Boy, you sure told me2001400ex said:
That's the point. The VA is underfunded and vets shouldn't have to deal with lesser care than what everyone else gets. Single payer solves the VA.Alexis said:
You of course realized that if insurance companies don't make a profit, they don't have money to pay large claims. I would much rather have an insurance company that barely squeaks by and then when I need them, don't have money to pay. That's what I like.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
And like Greenblood mentioned, single payer government healthcare sure is working out wonderfully with the VA.
I like it when someone says something thinking it's helping their point, when in reality, it's making the opposite point. -
Every once in awhile, my dog will do some fucking stupid shit. I'm fairly certain he's retarded. Then I'll yell at him for doing said stupid shit. Then I feel stupid myself for yelling at him, because fuck dude, he's a retarded dog. What the fuck did I really expect him to do.2001400ex said:
Sounds like a concession to me.Alexis said:
Boy, you sure told me2001400ex said:
That's the point. The VA is underfunded and vets shouldn't have to deal with lesser care than what everyone else gets. Single payer solves the VA.Alexis said:
You of course realized that if insurance companies don't make a profit, they don't have money to pay large claims. I would much rather have an insurance company that barely squeaks by and then when I need them, don't have money to pay. That's what I like.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
And like Greenblood mentioned, single payer government healthcare sure is working out wonderfully with the VA.
I like it when someone says something thinking it's helping their point, when in reality, it's making the opposite point.
This is kinda like that. -
Thanks for making my point. As your statement about the VA supports it. There's no incentive to keep expenses down, because the money comes from the backs of the payer. If they happen to run into a shortfall they just give horrible care. This is precisely why a single payer system is terrible. This system isn't accountable for anything. At least health care providers are held accountable by policy contracts that mandate a certain level of service and shareholders.2001400ex said:
That's the point. The VA is underfunded and vets shouldn't have to deal with lesser care than what everyone else gets. Single payer solves the VA.Alexis said:
You of course realized that if insurance companies don't make a profit, they don't have money to pay large claims. I would much rather have an insurance company that barely squeaks by and then when I need them, don't have money to pay. That's what I like.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
And like Greenblood mentioned, single payer government healthcare sure is working out wonderfully with the VA.
I like it when someone says something thinking it's helping their point, when in reality, it's making the opposite point. -
Health care is a $3+ trillion portion of our economy. Its FS to say eliminating private companies that have an overall profit of a couple billion and putting the govt in charge of doing the same function is going to make it any more efficient. Its really FS.
The root of the problem is that you have a 3rd payer system...there is very little incentive for anyone to not spend (i.e. I've paid my deductible, so I might as well get X, Y, and Z done because I'm just paying a $20 co-pay, and Lord knows I shouldn't lose weight because I pay the same premium no matter what).
The only way to limit spending if the govt is put in charge is by having the govt limit the availability of overall health care (i.e. X number of spots, and you wait your turn...i.e. the European way). And you are FS if you think our govt can do that when it has shown its horrible at it where it is in charge (most of the end of life spending is done under Medicare, and that is anything but under control).
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Sounds like you care.Alexis said:
Every once in awhile, my dog will do some fucking stupid shit. I'm fairly certain he's retarded. Then I'll yell at him for doing said stupid shit. Then I feel stupid myself for yelling at him, because fuck dude, he's a retarded dog. What the fuck did I really expect him to do.2001400ex said:
Sounds like a concession to me.Alexis said:
Boy, you sure told me2001400ex said:
That's the point. The VA is underfunded and vets shouldn't have to deal with lesser care than what everyone else gets. Single payer solves the VA.Alexis said:
You of course realized that if insurance companies don't make a profit, they don't have money to pay large claims. I would much rather have an insurance company that barely squeaks by and then when I need them, don't have money to pay. That's what I like.OZONE said:It's time to do away with the insurance companies and their "for profit" model for most health care and enact single payer universal health.
We can keep the insurance companies for people that want to pay extra for some platinum plated insurance so that you can have a lung transplant when you are 95 and haven't accepted that it time for you to LEAVE.
And like Greenblood mentioned, single payer government healthcare sure is working out wonderfully with the VA.
I like it when someone says something thinking it's helping their point, when in reality, it's making the opposite point.
This is kinda like that. -
So let's keep the system we have. Better yet, let's go back to prior to Obamacare where premiums and costs were rising exponentially and people with pre existing conditions couldn't get insurance. Oh yeah, and insurance companies can drop you at a whim. Cause they can.HoustonHusky said:Health care is a $3+ trillion portion of our economy. Its FS to say eliminating private companies that have an overall profit of a couple billion and putting the govt in charge of doing the same function is going to make it any more efficient. Its really FS.
The root of the problem is that you have a 3rd payer system...there is very little incentive for anyone to not spend (i.e. I've paid my deductible, so I might as well get X, Y, and Z done because I'm just paying a $20 co-pay, and Lord knows I shouldn't lose weight because I pay the same premium no matter what).
The only way to limit spending if the govt is put in charge is by having the govt limit the availability of overall health care (i.e. X number of spots, and you wait your turn...i.e. the European way). And you are FS if you think our govt can do that when it has shown its horrible at it where it is in charge (most of the end of life spending is done under Medicare, and that is anything but under control). -
Companies can drop you on a whim now. Obamacare didn't change that.2001400ex said:
So let's keep the system we have. Better yet, let's go back to prior to Obamacare where premiums and costs were rising exponentially and people with pre existing conditions couldn't get insurance. Oh yeah, and insurance companies can drop you at a whim. Cause they can.HoustonHusky said:Health care is a $3+ trillion portion of our economy. Its FS to say eliminating private companies that have an overall profit of a couple billion and putting the govt in charge of doing the same function is going to make it any more efficient. Its really FS.
The root of the problem is that you have a 3rd payer system...there is very little incentive for anyone to not spend (i.e. I've paid my deductible, so I might as well get X, Y, and Z done because I'm just paying a $20 co-pay, and Lord knows I shouldn't lose weight because I pay the same premium no matter what).
The only way to limit spending if the govt is put in charge is by having the govt limit the availability of overall health care (i.e. X number of spots, and you wait your turn...i.e. the European way). And you are FS if you think our govt can do that when it has shown its horrible at it where it is in charge (most of the end of life spending is done under Medicare, and that is anything but under control).
