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You would be surprised. There are still a lot of fucktards in the media and in the Husky fanbase who think otherwise.HeretoBeatmyChest said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I agree it's not simple. That's why you have to be willing to fire coaches every few years until you find the right coach.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I agree -- he's probably not the guy, but for every Pete Carroll there is a Charlie Weis with his "decided schematic advantage". You guys act like this is fucking simple. It's not. Everyone wants a top 5 team. Few have the "resources" we do, but it's not like you fucking hire a guy and watch the wins rack up. Mora may struggle up here just as much as sark. WE DON'T KNOW...
Mora has already proven he's better than Sark, by the way.
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good point can we please get the fanbase to understand that we should not judge the merits of any future coach on crappy coaches pasts?HeretoBeatmyChest said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I agree it's not simple. That's why you have to be willing to fire coaches every few years until you find the right coach.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I agree -- he's probably not the guy, but for every Pete Carroll there is a Charlie Weis with his "decided schematic advantage". You guys act like this is fucking simple. It's not. Everyone wants a top 5 team. Few have the "resources" we do, but it's not like you fucking hire a guy and watch the wins rack up. Mora may struggle up here just as much as sark. WE DON'T KNOW...
Mora has already proven he's better than Sark, by the way.
Not a lot to prove there...
I would just like a consistent top 20 program that sends every recruiting class to the rose bowl at least once and another bcs game once a decade and I would stop bitching.
I don't care what coaches did before because this is the standard I have for the program no matter who is in charge.
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yup. the end.AtomicDawg said:
good point can we please get the fanbase to understand that we should not judge the merits of any future coach on crappy coaches pasts?HeretoBeatmyChest said:TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I agree it's not simple. That's why you have to be willing to fire coaches every few years until you find the right coach.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I agree -- he's probably not the guy, but for every Pete Carroll there is a Charlie Weis with his "decided schematic advantage". You guys act like this is fucking simple. It's not. Everyone wants a top 5 team. Few have the "resources" we do, but it's not like you fucking hire a guy and watch the wins rack up. Mora may struggle up here just as much as sark. WE DON'T KNOW...
Mora has already proven he's better than Sark, by the way.
Not a lot to prove there...
I would just like a consistent top 20 program that sends every recruiting class to the rose bowl at least once and another bcs game once a decade and I would stop bitching.
I don't care what coaches did before because this is the standard I have for the program no matter who is in charge. -
Is Wilder a defensive minded coach and does he emphasize mentoring all phases of football, special teams and defense as well or more so than offense? By now, we should all recognize that Husky Football and those of us who truly support the program have had a belly full of offensive minded head coaches: Gilby, Neut, and now Sark. Did anybody ever know what the fuck Willingham was other than a fraud and loser? UW must also stay away from head coaching candidates who have no prior head coaching experience at any level.unfrozencaveman said:from smaller, obscure schools...discuss
Here's a go-getter I like, from Maine (same age as Chip).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Wilder
Too risky?
Perhaps the most successful Division 1AA (FCS) football conference, the Big Sky, has always been the cradle of offensive minded head coaches. WSU alone has hired several....... Sweeny, Erickson, Price, the clown from EWU, etc. and we all know that wide open football has always been preferred by cooglosers. True Husky Football requires much more if we are to set our goals on winning championships.
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This is outside the box thinking....never happen at UW
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I like a good defense as much as the next guy but winning is winning.Tailgater said:
Is Wilder a defensive minded coach and does he emphasize mentoring all phases of football, special teams and defense as well or more so than offense? By now, we should all recognize that Husky Football and those of us who truly support the program have had a belly full of offensive minded head coaches: Gilby, Neut, and now Sark. Did anybody ever know what the fuck Willingham was other than a fraud and loser? UW must also stay away from head coaching candidates who have no prior head coaching experience at any level.unfrozencaveman said:from smaller, obscure schools...discuss
Here's a go-getter I like, from Maine (same age as Chip).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Wilder
Too risky?
Perhaps the most successful Division 1AA (FCS) football conference, the Big Sky, has always been the cradle of offensive minded head coaches. WSU alone has hired several....... Sweeny, Erickson, Price, the clown from EWU, etc. and we all know that wide open football has always been preferred by cooglosers. True Husky Football requires much more if we are to set our goals on winning championships.
Tom Osborne, Bobby Bowden, Chip Kelly, Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, and Jim Harbaugh made their marks as offensive minds and I would take them to run my program any day. For the most part they all had good defenses too but some of them had little to do with that side of the ball previously.
Getting stuck on the offensive or defensive background coaches is irrelevant. Hire a winner that can run a program.
Sark was allegedly a great offensive mind when he came to UW. But our offense has had one good year under him (2011) and maybe (2013) we shall see. He sucks though because his teams don't do any one thing well and play undisciplined.
Spurrier started as an offensive genius and ever since going to the Cocks (I like to call them that) they have won on defense with an average to below average offense.
Being a head coach is about running an organized program that gets results and not the style of play or background you came from. If Art Briles could win my team a championship while giving up 40 pts/game (not saying that he will at Baylor), I couldn't care less. -
A couple points in this argument.
#1 I wouldn't refer to guys like Saban, Holtz and Spurrier as failed NFL coaches who were then successful in college. Those guys were successful in college, tried and failed (to varying degrees) in the NFL and then went back to college. Besides, Mora and Carroll, what other coaches went from middling success in the NFL to the heights that Carroll reached and Mora is on pace for? Al Groh and Dave Wandestadt come to mind as mediocre pro coaches who then sucked as a college coaches.
#2. Offensive vs. Defensive coaches. Give me a fucking head coach. Don James was a college QB. Harbaugh was a college and pro QB. Both were football coaches. The problem with Sark isn't just that's he's an offensive coach but that he doesn't know enough or care enough about the other phases.
#3. If you're going to hire a lower-level coach, make sure it's a guy who is crushing the competition at his current level. The couple guys linked on the first page meet that criteria. Sounds like the guy at NDSU does as well. Don't go out and get a WULFF who I seem to remember wasn't exactly dominating the competition at EWU - he seemed to be a decent coach at that level but didn't have a 74-7 record either.
#4. If you're getting a guy with head coaching experience at a large school, don't pull another UW and hire guys who've already proven themselves to be incompetent like Gibly and Ty. -
re: #3. How do you explain that you could turn an ordinary seeming Kent State coach into the most successful Husky coach in modern history? It's pretty much given here that Sark will be gone soon enough. Fine. His next job will be as an OC somewhere. Maybe even UW. There are two routes that can be taken for hiring the next coach: Marinerization OR Risk. With marinerization, the goal is to find somebody that will win enough games to keep fans interested, and will guarantee that, but there is no real attempt at creating a contender. Risk you find the next seemingly middling coach at somewhere like Kent State and roll the dice.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:A couple points in this argument.
#1 I wouldn't refer to guys like Saban, Holtz and Spurrier as failed NFL coaches who were then successful in college. Those guys were successful in college, tried and failed (to varying degrees) in the NFL and then went back to college. Besides, Mora and Carroll, what other coaches went from middling success in the NFL to the heights that Carroll reached and Mora is on pace for? Al Groh and Dave Wandestadt come to mind as mediocre pro coaches who then sucked as a college coaches.
#2. Offensive vs. Defensive coaches. Give me a fucking head coach. Don James was a college QB. Harbaugh was a college and pro QB. Both were football coaches. The problem with Sark isn't just that's he's an offensive coach but that he doesn't know enough or care enough about the other phases.
#3. If you're going to hire a lower-level coach, make sure it's a guy who is crushing the competition at his current level. The couple guys linked on the first page meet that criteria. Sounds like the guy at NDSU does as well. Don't go out and get a WULFF who I seem to remember wasn't exactly dominating the competition at EWU - he seemed to be a decent coach at that level but didn't have a 74-7 record either.
#4. If you're getting a guy with head coaching experience at a large school, don't pull another UW and hire guys who've already proven themselves to be incompetent like Gibly and Ty. -
I'd take risk over Marinerization in a heartbeat, but why not try to hire Art Briles first?ApostleofGrief said:
re: #3. How do you explain that you could turn an ordinary seeming Kent State coach into the most successful Husky coach in modern history? It's pretty much given here that Sark will be gone soon enough. Fine. His next job will be as an OC somewhere. Maybe even UW. There are two routes that can be taken for hiring the next coach: Marinerization OR Risk. With marinerization, the goal is to find somebody that will win enough games to keep fans interested, and will guarantee that, but there is no real attempt at creating a contender. Risk you find the next seemingly middling coach at somewhere like Kent State and roll the dice.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:A couple points in this argument.
#1 I wouldn't refer to guys like Saban, Holtz and Spurrier as failed NFL coaches who were then successful in college. Those guys were successful in college, tried and failed (to varying degrees) in the NFL and then went back to college. Besides, Mora and Carroll, what other coaches went from middling success in the NFL to the heights that Carroll reached and Mora is on pace for? Al Groh and Dave Wandestadt come to mind as mediocre pro coaches who then sucked as a college coaches.
#2. Offensive vs. Defensive coaches. Give me a fucking head coach. Don James was a college QB. Harbaugh was a college and pro QB. Both were football coaches. The problem with Sark isn't just that's he's an offensive coach but that he doesn't know enough or care enough about the other phases.
#3. If you're going to hire a lower-level coach, make sure it's a guy who is crushing the competition at his current level. The couple guys linked on the first page meet that criteria. Sounds like the guy at NDSU does as well. Don't go out and get a WULFF who I seem to remember wasn't exactly dominating the competition at EWU - he seemed to be a decent coach at that level but didn't have a 74-7 record either.
#4. If you're getting a guy with head coaching experience at a large school, don't pull another UW and hire guys who've already proven themselves to be incompetent like Gibly and Ty.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Carey
I know this is only his first year but I do like that he was a former OL coach.
Also I'm aware former OL coaches don't make great head coaches like Gilby just throwing a name out there.
Personally I'd like to see them do what they did in 1998 which is get a proven winner from a BCS school who isn't paying their coach properly.
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