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I always preferred your 2006 argument to hire Jim E Mora.dnc said:
First of all, you're wrong. There isn't a Charlie Weis for every Carroll. There's one Weis. And then there's Carroll, Saban, Spurrier and Petrino who all failed in the NFL and rocked in college. And Mora's NFL performance stacks up very well against those guys with the notable exception of Carroll's latest NFL stint.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I agree -- he's probably not the guy, but for every Pete Carroll there is a Charlie Weis with his "decided schematic advantage". You guys act like this is fucking simple. It's not. Everyone wants a top 5 team. Few have the "resources" we do, but it's not like you fucking hire a guy and watch the wins rack up. Mora may struggle up here just as much as sark. WE DON'T KNOW...
Secondly, Weis was an NFL assistant, not an NFL HC. He was a head coach for the first time at ND. Mora is in no possible way analogous to Weis.
Being a failed NFL HC doesn't guarantee you'll be a success in college but it's a point in your favor, not a point against you like some doogiemcdoogerson's like to think.
I've had the Mora argument so many times it's hard to muster the energy to do it again, but Jake Almighty man. First doogs claimed he couldn't recruit in college, now his recruiting kicks ass so we don't know if he could recruit to Seattle? Come on man. He's a passionate, high energy, charismatic guy who obviously connects well with young people. He has NFL HC experience. He seems to have a great eye for talent. And, btw, he's an alum of the school in question. If you "don't know" if Mora can recruit to UW then you don't know if Nick Saban could recruit to UW.
Recruiting isn't hard to figure out. Some guys have it. Mora is one of them. He'd kill it in recruiting at UW.
My old 2008 hire Mora argument went something like this:
1) Defensive minded coach - which is a great fit for two reasons: first, the traditional UW fanbase has a real affinity for defense, second, the conference is almost entirely offensive minded HC's and Mora could quickly establish UW as the destination school for West Coast defenders.
2) Recruiting. Pretty much covered this above - the 08 argument covered why I thought he'd be a great recruiter. It has completely proven true. And it will prove true at UW as well, if we ever hire him.
3) NFL experience - Mostly covered. This helps him as a recruiter of high school talent as well as coaching talent. It also gives him access to some of the greatest minds in coaching for advice, brainstorming, etc.
4) Some other reason I can't remember anymore. Who cares at this point. What he's doing at UCLA is argument enough.
Mora in 2014!
I'm with APAG, I hope this is a giant whoosh. Otherwise, time to run Section14a.
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Most people don't remember that argument.TheKobeStopper said:
I always preferred your 2006 argument to hire Jim E Mora.dnc said:
First of all, you're wrong. There isn't a Charlie Weis for every Carroll. There's one Weis. And then there's Carroll, Saban, Spurrier and Petrino who all failed in the NFL and rocked in college. And Mora's NFL performance stacks up very well against those guys with the notable exception of Carroll's latest NFL stint.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I agree -- he's probably not the guy, but for every Pete Carroll there is a Charlie Weis with his "decided schematic advantage". You guys act like this is fucking simple. It's not. Everyone wants a top 5 team. Few have the "resources" we do, but it's not like you fucking hire a guy and watch the wins rack up. Mora may struggle up here just as much as sark. WE DON'T KNOW...
Secondly, Weis was an NFL assistant, not an NFL HC. He was a head coach for the first time at ND. Mora is in no possible way analogous to Weis.
Being a failed NFL HC doesn't guarantee you'll be a success in college but it's a point in your favor, not a point against you like some doogiemcdoogerson's like to think.
I've had the Mora argument so many times it's hard to muster the energy to do it again, but Jake Almighty man. First doogs claimed he couldn't recruit in college, now his recruiting kicks ass so we don't know if he could recruit to Seattle? Come on man. He's a passionate, high energy, charismatic guy who obviously connects well with young people. He has NFL HC experience. He seems to have a great eye for talent. And, btw, he's an alum of the school in question. If you "don't know" if Mora can recruit to UW then you don't know if Nick Saban could recruit to UW.
Recruiting isn't hard to figure out. Some guys have it. Mora is one of them. He'd kill it in recruiting at UW.
My old 2008 hire Mora argument went something like this:
1) Defensive minded coach - which is a great fit for two reasons: first, the traditional UW fanbase has a real affinity for defense, second, the conference is almost entirely offensive minded HC's and Mora could quickly establish UW as the destination school for West Coast defenders.
2) Recruiting. Pretty much covered this above - the 08 argument covered why I thought he'd be a great recruiter. It has completely proven true. And it will prove true at UW as well, if we ever hire him.
3) NFL experience - Mostly covered. This helps him as a recruiter of high school talent as well as coaching talent. It also gives him access to some of the greatest minds in coaching for advice, brainstorming, etc.
4) Some other reason I can't remember anymore. Who cares at this point. What he's doing at UCLA is argument enough.
Mora in 2014!
I'm with APAG, I hope this is a giant whoosh. Otherwise, time to run Section14a.
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Genius insight. Honest.TheKobeStopper said:
The staff is just more doogism. Great coaches don't need to hire good staffs, they make great staffs. If the only way Sark can be successful is if he has a great staff then UW is screwed because good assistants LEAVE! No school can just constantly turn over hired gun great assistant coaches.
November 15th. A date that will live in infamy.
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WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU???iDawg said:
Genius insight. Honest.TheKobeStopper said:
The staff is just more doogism. Great coaches don't need to hire good staffs, they make great staffs. If the only way Sark can be successful is if he has a great staff then UW is screwed because good assistants LEAVE! No school can just constantly turn over hired gun great assistant coaches.
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First Four Years coaching in the NFL:DoogieMcDoogerson said:If Mora is the fucking guy then why does his NFL record suck? Why did pete come in and turn his shit around? You telling me it's a no brainer? That he doesn't need good assistants like Sark has? That he'll fucking make his assistants and turn Kent Baer into a top DC? He's not Jesus, man. You gotta have good assistants. If you don't know that, you're an idiot.
Maybe I'm the one getting whooshed. This man-crush on Mora is a fucking joke.
Don't let the facts get in the way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_L._Mora
Pete Carroll 33-31
Jim Mora 32-34
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If we are going to look at more under
the radar, should be looking at Rod Carey
from Northern Illinois. Like coaches with a
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No way Mora comes.
If he was too loyal to the Seahawks and to an NFL that fires coaches in a heartbeat, no way he can look those UCLA kids in the eye (I like to call them kids because Damone likes that) and say goodbye. -
Things are so fucked for UW, I almost feel sorry for you guys. The situation reminds me of Texas, where the fanbase is ready to riot and then Mack Brown managed to beat the worst K-State and Oklahoma teams in a decade. UW wins enough under Sark to keep Woody happy and the cash continues to flow into the program, which means that Sark is safe.
Ohio State understood what it means to beat a rival. John Cooper won 2 BCS bowls and went 11-1, 10-3, 11-1, 6-6 and 8-4 in his last five seasons and OSU fired his ass because he was 2-10-1 against Meatchicken.
Then OSU went and found a guy who could coach and win - Jim Tressel, who was coaching and winning at Youngstown Fucking State. They didn't go for the glitz hire, they did their fucking due diligence and found themselves a winner. If UW does that I will worry, but they won't do that with the AD as currently configured.
If you guys want to have an impact, maybe you should take a page from Shaggy Bevo and get a plane to fly a banner around Husky Stadium during the next home game reading "7-6 is not our standard" -
Can we have your very own Uncle Phil kick in the cash for that banner? I wonder if SWS would cry when he looked up from the sidelines.
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TierbsHsotBoobs said:
I agree it's not simple. That's why you have to be willing to fire coaches every few years until you find the right coach.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I agree -- he's probably not the guy, but for every Pete Carroll there is a Charlie Weis with his "decided schematic advantage". You guys act like this is fucking simple. It's not. Everyone wants a top 5 team. Few have the "resources" we do, but it's not like you fucking hire a guy and watch the wins rack up. Mora may struggle up here just as much as sark. WE DON'T KNOW...
Mora has already proven he's better than Sark, by the way.
Not a lot to prove there...
