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Guess what? Unlike you Doogs we'll be on Mora's ass too. You guys think we'd give Mora a free pass but that's not the case.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I agree -- he's probably not the guy, but for every Pete Carroll there is a Charlie Weis with his "decided schematic advantage". You guys act like this is fucking simple. It's not. Everyone wants a top 5 team. Few have the "resources" we do, but it's not like you fucking hire a guy and watch the wins rack up. Mora may struggle up here just as much as sark. WE DON'T KNOW...
If Mora was 27-27 vs D-1 teams and 20-19 in conference in year five we'd want his fucking ass out too.
We have nothing personal against Sark, we just want fucking wins! Win or get the fuck out! -
Mark Dantonio (38-12 at Michigan State... Yeah the Big Ten kind of sucks but they are not a traditional power).
Obligatory Mora
Baylor's h.c.? I don't even know his name but if you can turn them into a top 20 program, you're doing something right.
I think Wilcox would do okay & 3-5 star linemen would be more likely to choose the Huskies
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Good call on Bohl. He's doing very well at NDSU.loadsock said:I'd look into Bohl at NDSU. He just wins and not many teams in FCS are even giving him a match. They're defeating FBS teams and perhaps he could find some new recruiting grounds in the midwest.
Any thoughts on Doug Nussmeier or do you think we'd consider promoting Wilcox first?
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mora is a bad idea, for one reason he's got a job and he's not budging. Secondly, it's just the old hire-the-alum trick. It only works once in a blue moon.
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I agree it's not simple. That's why you have to be willing to fire coaches every few years until you find the right coach.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I agree -- he's probably not the guy, but for every Pete Carroll there is a Charlie Weis with his "decided schematic advantage". You guys act like this is fucking simple. It's not. Everyone wants a top 5 team. Few have the "resources" we do, but it's not like you fucking hire a guy and watch the wins rack up. Mora may struggle up here just as much as sark. WE DON'T KNOW...
Mora has already proven he's better than Sark, by the way. -
Great coaches don't need great assistants.DoogieMcDoogerson said:If Mora is the fucking guy then why does his NFL record suck? Why did pete come in and turn his shit around? You telling me it's a no brainer? That he doesn't need good assistants like Sark has? That he'll fucking make his assistants and turn Kent Baer into a top DC? He's not Jesus, man. You gotta have good assistants. If you don't know that, you're an idiot.
Maybe I'm the one getting whooshed. This man-crush on Mora is a fucking joke.
Don't let the facts get in the way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_L._Mora
Carroll won with Sark, Kiffin and Holt.
Meyer keeps winning without Mullen and Strong.
Spurrier kept winning after Bob Stoops.
Bobby Bowden won without Mark Richt.
Joe Paterno won with a pedophile running his defense.
The problem is some people think "oh just get Sark a great staff and he'll win". But winning constitutes maybe, possibly, best case scenario, coming in second in the division. And what about when Wilcox takes a head coaching job? Just hire another great defensive coordinator? But hiring a coach, in your opinion at least, is a crap shoot.
The head coach makes the staff. Not the other way around. -
And they should have learned it in 2004...that was essentially the first 0-12.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
That's a very legitimate question.DoogieMcDoogerson said:Legitimate Question, folks.
Who is a proven winner that you would go after. Look through the top 20. Give me names.
Look -- I'm as disappointed as everyone else that we just can't seem to fucking beat oregon or take the next step. I'm at a loss for who I'd hire that fits your proven winner.
Seems like you have to take a flier on a guy and wait it out for a few years and then go for the next guy if he doesn't work out.
Lots of guys have flopped or failed to pan out. This is not an easy thing to identify. Who are the no brainers that would work out better than Sark? Guys you're SURE would work out...
Looking at the top 25, I see three possibilities that UW has already missed out on (Mora, Pinkel, Andersen at Wisconsin) and one guy who fits the profile (DeRuyter).
Of equal relevance, I don't see that many guys in the top 25 who were guaranteed hits when they were hired. There's Saban, Meyer, Miles, and Spurrier.
You almost certainly have to roll the dice to get the right guy. You just have to be willing to admit you crapped out when the guy you hired clearly isn't the right guy. Keeping the wrong guy too long lets the program rot from within, which was the REAL lesson from 0-12 that very few people actually learned. -
Doogie, Mora's recruiting is terrific. If he was hired here in 2008, we might be a NC contender this season. He would get guys like Miles Jack, Budda Baker, Josh Garnett, Zach Banner and get some guys from Cali.
Sark is worthless outside of QBs and WRs. Statistically, 90% of the improvement in the program can be attributed to the defense which Sark has nothing to with.
Mark Emmert should be lynched in red square for his spineless act of fageotry in 2008. -
HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Doogie, Mora's recruiting is terrific. If he was hired here in 2008, we might be a NC contender this season. He would get guys like Miles Jack, Budda Baker, Josh Garnett, Zach Banner and get some guys from Cali.
Sark is worthless outside of QBs and WRs. Statistically, 90% of the improvement in the program can be attributed to the defense which Sark has nothing to with.
Mark Emmert should be lynched in red square for his spineless act of fageotry in 2004. -
First of all, you're wrong. There isn't a Charlie Weis for every Carroll. There's one Weis. And then there's Carroll, Saban, Spurrier and Petrino who all failed in the NFL and rocked in college. And Mora's NFL performance stacks up very well against those guys with the notable exception of Carroll's latest NFL stint.DoogieMcDoogerson said:I agree -- he's probably not the guy, but for every Pete Carroll there is a Charlie Weis with his "decided schematic advantage". You guys act like this is fucking simple. It's not. Everyone wants a top 5 team. Few have the "resources" we do, but it's not like you fucking hire a guy and watch the wins rack up. Mora may struggle up here just as much as sark. WE DON'T KNOW...
Secondly, Weis was an NFL assistant, not an NFL HC. He was a head coach for the first time at ND. Mora is in no possible way analogous to Weis.
Being a failed NFL HC doesn't guarantee you'll be a success in college but it's a point in your favor, not a point against you like some doogiemcdoogerson's like to think.
I've had the Mora argument so many times it's hard to muster the energy to do it again, but Jake Almighty man. First doogs claimed he couldn't recruit in college, now his recruiting kicks ass so we don't know if he could recruit to Seattle? Come on man. He's a passionate, high energy, charismatic guy who obviously connects well with young people. He has NFL HC experience. He seems to have a great eye for talent. And, btw, he's an alum of the school in question. If you "don't know" if Mora can recruit to UW then you don't know if Nick Saban could recruit to UW.
Recruiting isn't hard to figure out. Some guys have it. Mora is one of them. He'd kill it in recruiting at UW.
My old 2008 hire Mora argument went something like this:
1) Defensive minded coach - which is a great fit for two reasons: first, the traditional UW fanbase has a real affinity for defense, second, the conference is almost entirely offensive minded HC's and Mora could quickly establish UW as the destination school for West Coast defenders.
2) Recruiting. Pretty much covered this above - the 08 argument covered why I thought he'd be a great recruiter. It has completely proven true. And it will prove true at UW as well, if we ever hire him.
3) NFL experience - Mostly covered. This helps him as a recruiter of high school talent as well as coaching talent. It also gives him access to some of the greatest minds in coaching for advice, brainstorming, etc.
4) Some other reason I can't remember anymore. Who cares at this point. What he's doing at UCLA is argument enough.
Mora in 2014!
I'm with APAG, I hope this is a giant whoosh. Otherwise, time to run Section14a.
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