Carlos Johnson (2016 SG) commits

dnc said:

bananasnblondes said:

He's the Jordan Chin of basketball recruiting: the absolute last guy on their list who ended up getting an offer at the last minute because no one else wanted to come to UW.

Just a reminder: We have to keep Romar because the Seattle basketball hoops scene is blowing up and the local kids love Romar

Romar sucks. He needs to be fired. But one mediocre recruit doesn't change the fact he's doing very well in recruiting. If you make the pro firing argument about recruiting, you're going to loose. He has a top 20 class coming in in 2016, with 2017 and 2018 both looking very good as well.

The problem isn't recruiting. The problem is the results don't match the recruiting. Keep the argument focused where it needs to be.

theknowledge said:

Roy made three tourneys and IT made three tourneys. Without an NBA all star on the roster Romar and this team are fucked. WWJC do? Make sure this team is fucked as long as Romar feels like collecting a paycheck. Thanks beeeyatch!

ThomasFremont said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Roy made three tourneys and IT made three tourneys. Without an NBA all star on the roster Romar and this team are fucked. WWJC do? Make sure this team is fucked as long as Romar feels like collecting a paycheck. Thanks beeeyatch!

Somewhat lazy analysis. The #1 seed makes the tourney without Roy and IT's frosh team make it without him. The other four years, agree.

Irregardless, Jenn hearts Romar's 5 inches of slippery black thunder, so it's a mute poont.

Brockman also had a little something to do with the successful stretch. It wasn't just the guys that went on to be All-Stars in the NBA.

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Roy made three tourneys and IT made three tourneys. Without an NBA all star on the roster Romar and this team are fucked. WWJC do? Make sure this team is fucked as long as Romar feels like collecting a paycheck. Thanks beeeyatch!

Somewhat lazy analysis. The #1 seed makes the tourney without Roy and IT's frosh team make it without him. The other four years, agree.

Irregardless, Jenn hearts Romar's 5 inches of slippery black thunder, so it's a mute poont.

Disagree that the IT frosh team makes the tourney without him. He was our only for sure scoring threat as Brockman was a 6'6" power forward who had his shot blocked as much as it went in and Pondexter still had not come into his own. The #1 seed team I will concede.

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Roy made three tourneys and IT made three tourneys. Without an NBA all star on the roster Romar and this team are fucked. WWJC do? Make sure this team is fucked as long as Romar feels like collecting a paycheck. Thanks beeeyatch!

Somewhat lazy analysis. The #1 seed makes the tourney without Roy and IT's frosh team make it without him. The other four years, agree.

Irregardless, Jenn hearts Romar's 5 inches of slippery black thunder, so it's a mute poont.

Disagree that the IT frosh team makes the tourney without him. He was our only for sure scoring threat as Brockman was a 6'6" power forward who had his shot blocked as much as it went in and Pondexter still had not come into his own. The #1 seed team I will concede.

Dentmon scored basically as much as IT did with much better percentages. No IT means Dentmon's percentages go down but his scoring goes up. Defense would have definitely been better too because no IT would have meant more Pimperton. I think it would have been enough to make the tourney along with Pondexter finally emerging the last two months of the year. Definitely could be wrong on that one though.

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Roy made three tourneys and IT made three tourneys. Without an NBA all star on the roster Romar and this team are fucked. WWJC do? Make sure this team is fucked as long as Romar feels like collecting a paycheck. Thanks beeeyatch!

Somewhat lazy analysis. The #1 seed makes the tourney without Roy and IT's frosh team make it without him. The other four years, agree.

Irregardless, Jenn hearts Romar's 5 inches of slippery black thunder, so it's a mute poont.

Disagree that the IT frosh team makes the tourney without him. He was our only for sure scoring threat as Brockman was a 6'6" power forward who had his shot blocked as much as it went in and Pondexter still had not come into his own. The #1 seed team I will concede.

Dentmon scored basically as much as IT did with much better percentages. No IT means Dentmon's percentages go down but his scoring goes up. Defense would have definitely been better too because no IT would have meant more Pimperton. I think it would have been enough to make the tourney along with Pondexter finally emerging the last two months of the year. Definitely could be wrong on that one though.

I might be giving IT too much credit, but Dentmon was shit before Isaiah. Isaiah was a program changer from day one especially from a mindset perspective. He had some struggles, but they were shitty the two seasons before he got there.

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Roy made three tourneys and IT made three tourneys. Without an NBA all star on the roster Romar and this team are fucked. WWJC do? Make sure this team is fucked as long as Romar feels like collecting a paycheck. Thanks beeeyatch!

Somewhat lazy analysis. The #1 seed makes the tourney without Roy and IT's frosh team make it without him. The other four years, agree.

Irregardless, Jenn hearts Romar's 5 inches of slippery black thunder, so it's a mute poont.

Disagree that the IT frosh team makes the tourney without him. He was our only for sure scoring threat as Brockman was a 6'6" power forward who had his shot blocked as much as it went in and Pondexter still had not come into his own. The #1 seed team I will concede.

Dentmon scored basically as much as IT did with much better percentages. No IT means Dentmon's percentages go down but his scoring goes up. Defense would have definitely been better too because no IT would have meant more Pimperton. I think it would have been enough to make the tourney along with Pondexter finally emerging the last two months of the year. Definitely could be wrong on that one though.

I might be giving IT too much credit, but Dentmon was shit before Isaiah. Isaiah was a program changer from day one especially from a mindset perspective. He had some struggles, but they were shitty the two seasons before he got there.

Dentmon was a lot slimmer his senior year than the two years before, and his shooting was astronomically better. IT was not a good passer as a frosh (he became one by his junior year) and he wasn't the type of much hyped 5 star/burger boy frosh that defenses plan around coming in. Sometimes players just get better, see Andrews this year, or Pondexter's senior season. There's no reason to credit a frosh who was a bad passer and took bad shots for Dentmon's senior development.

IT was a badass before he left UW. He wasn't a game changer as a freshman.

Calling IT a bad passer who took bad shots as a freshman is some serious pressing. He was a first team all league player. Lots of good college guards have low FG%'s. Guys like Westbrook in the NBA have never shot great either. You are missing the big picture. IT was 2nd in the Pac 10 in FT attempts his freshman year behind James Harden.

I agree Dentmon got better. That can't be disputed, but maybe, just maybe the game got a little easier having a guard who could get ito the key and make plays. That team would have been a lot worse without IT. IT and to a lesser extent, Venoy (I know he came in the year before) changed the program. Before them, they were nice kids. Isaiah brought a fuck you attitude that was a program changer.

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

RoadDawg55 said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Roy made three tourneys and IT made three tourneys. Without an NBA all star on the roster Romar and this team are fucked. WWJC do? Make sure this team is fucked as long as Romar feels like collecting a paycheck. Thanks beeeyatch!

Somewhat lazy analysis. The #1 seed makes the tourney without Roy and IT's frosh team make it without him. The other four years, agree.

Irregardless, Jenn hearts Romar's 5 inches of slippery black thunder, so it's a mute poont.

Disagree that the IT frosh team makes the tourney without him. He was our only for sure scoring threat as Brockman was a 6'6" power forward who had his shot blocked as much as it went in and Pondexter still had not come into his own. The #1 seed team I will concede.

Dentmon scored basically as much as IT did with much better percentages. No IT means Dentmon's percentages go down but his scoring goes up. Defense would have definitely been better too because no IT would have meant more Pimperton. I think it would have been enough to make the tourney along with Pondexter finally emerging the last two months of the year. Definitely could be wrong on that one though.

I might be giving IT too much credit, but Dentmon was shit before Isaiah. Isaiah was a program changer from day one especially from a mindset perspective. He had some struggles, but they were shitty the two seasons before he got there.

Dentmon was a lot slimmer his senior year than the two years before, and his shooting was astronomically better. IT was not a good passer as a frosh (he became one by his junior year) and he wasn't the type of much hyped 5 star/burger boy frosh that defenses plan around coming in. Sometimes players just get better, see Andrews this year, or Pondexter's senior season. There's no reason to credit a frosh who was a bad passer and took bad shots for Dentmon's senior development.

IT was a badass before he left UW. He wasn't a game changer as a freshman.

Calling IT a bad passer who took bad shots as a freshman is some serious pressing. He was a first team all league player. Lots of good college guards have low FG%'s. Guys like Westbrook in the NBA have never shot great either. You are missing the big picture. IT was 2nd in the Pac 10 in FT attempts his freshman year behind James Harden.

I agree Dentmon got better. That can't be disputed, but maybe, just maybe the game got a little easier having a guard who could get ito the key and make plays. That team would have been a lot worse without IT. IT and to a lesser extent, Venoy (I know he came in the year before) changed the program. Before them, they were nice kids. Isaiah brought a fuck you attitude that was a program changer.

No it's not. He was absolutely a bad passer. He had a negative assist to turnover ratio. And he was either a bad shooter or he took bad shots.

Westbrook made 45% of his shots this year. That's a big jump from the 41% that IT made as a frosh. When Westbrook was making 41% of his shots he was a bad shooter.

I agree IT's attitude (along with Venoy) was a big benefit. I agree IT made the team better. I don't think he made Dentmon better though, not significantly.

He made everyone better. You're hanging onto your opinion from back than. You weren't as bad as AntiDuckDawg, but you weren't a huge IT fan. He wasn't a true PG yet. That team always had 2 PG's on the floor. He got to the line at will. Collapsing defenses lead to more open shots.

Dentmon got better, especially as a shooter, but it's foolish to pretend like IT didn't play a big part.

RoadDawg55 said:

Shabazz Napier hit .429 his senior year when he won the title. Deron Williams never hit above .433 in college. Jordan Farmar shot 41% both years. in college. Were they bad shot takers too? I doubt they got to the line like IT either. IT wasn't a good shooter, streaky at best, but he always got his 12-25 points no matter what. Don't be such a stat geek to not realize the impact he was making.

RoadDawg55 said:

The offense consisted of IT getting into the lane and making something happen. He would shoot bad, contested shots. He still does. Westbrook still takes bad shots every single game. That was also part of the offense. That team had Brockman and were one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the country. Romar balls needs a guy who can get to the rim at will. Before IT they had nobody who could do that. We all know there is no half court offense.

NEsnake12 said:

Fultz next year could end up being the closest thing to a true floor general we?'ve had since IT. But the supporting talent definitely isn't up to par to make up for Romar's shit coaching.