Future of Minimum Wage
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Walmart, Home Depot, Fred Meyer, and Haggen has them. Walmart, Fred Meyer, and Haggen have a 50/50 split right now between automated and personal checkout. Home Depot has more automated checkouts than personal checkouts. This is the breakdown for the Eugene area stores, I can't speak on a National level.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:Someone brought up the supermarket comparison. A few have the automated check-outs but most don't. Albertson's got rid of them, at least around here. No Safeways have them. Neither do Trader Joe, Whore Foods, I mean Whole Foods...sorry Stalin, Sprouts, hippy organic places or Food City. Fry's has some, but they also usually have at least two or three breather checkout folks, and 5-8 during peak business times. I remember people freaking out about automation in groceries around 2001 when these first started and 15 years later they really haven't replaced many jobs. A lot of people, even borderline misanthropes such as myself find this kind of thing impersonal and rarely use it.
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Lucky for me I only shop at titty bars. No robots seen yet, though I am hopeful.
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Swaye said:
It's true. He's my boss. He makes me do demeaning things while nude. I love this job.greenblood said:
I own an Orkin Branch. Ask Swaye2001400ex said:
You didn't answer my question. You said you run a small business so you know about payroll taxes. What small business?greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Not to mention the rest of your post is FS.
https://youtu.be/PZtxBZ9D5sI
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Sounds like you may have some first hand knowledge of the process. But then again who didn't flip some sub quality meat in their HS daze.allpurpleallgold said:
Obviously I didn't read all of this but I'm standing by the fast food thing being wrong. Fast food places will try it but it won't work. People will fuck up way more orders than a cashier would and they'll take longer. When you press Big Mac and then 10 seconds later switch to a quarter pounder you've cost McDonald's money.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
The only time it would be viable would be during slow hours but you still need people to hand out the food. You could save maybe two shifts a day and anything you'd be saving would be cut into by food waste from dumb fucks that don't know how to order (50% of the customers). -
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react. -
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react. -
Banks are incrementally getting rid of tellers. Bringing ATMs inside and placing them at the teller line. Bank of America already has some branches with no tellers at all.
You'd be surprised at how many folks still want to wait in line to talk to a teller -
False.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:No Safeways have them.
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Hondo understands how to cut and paste from Wikipedia and not much more.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work. -
I haven't seen them because they don't exist. Some places pre cook the meat. No one pre makes the burgers. You're talking out of your ass.greenblood said:
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react. -
Kreist.allpurpleallgold said:
I haven't seen them because they don't exist. Some places pre cook the meat. No one pre makes the burgers. You're talking out of your ass.greenblood said:
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react.
So you're saying that all burger joints are made to order? Are you like 17 or something??? -
I don't think APAG gets around very often.salemcoog said:
Kreist.allpurpleallgold said:
I haven't seen them because they don't exist. Some places pre cook the meat. No one pre makes the burgers. You're talking out of your ass.greenblood said:
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react.
So you're saying that all burger joints are made to order? Are you like 17 or something??? -
How can I rob it with no people there?RaceBannon said:Banks are incrementally getting rid of tellers. Bringing ATMs inside and placing them at the teller line. Bank of America already has some branches with no tellers at all.
You'd be surprised at how many folks still want to wait in line to talk to a teller -
Young, hipster, vegan with sexual identity issues is no way to go through life.greenblood said:
I don't think APAG gets around very often.salemcoog said:
Kreist.allpurpleallgold said:
I haven't seen them because they don't exist. Some places pre cook the meat. No one pre makes the burgers. You're talking out of your ass.greenblood said:
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react.
So you're saying that all burger joints are made to order? Are you like 17 or something??? -
This is a common misconception old people have. I realize that back when you were actually a relevant human being, and not just waiting to die, they pre made everything. There isn't a fast food place that pre makes now. Some will pre cook but nothing is made until it's ordered and many cook to order.salemcoog said:
Kreist.allpurpleallgold said:
I haven't seen them because they don't exist. Some places pre cook the meat. No one pre makes the burgers. You're talking out of your ass.greenblood said:
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react.
So you're saying that all burger joints are made to order? Are you like 17 or something??? -
I must confess, sometimes I'm one of those people. While computers continue to make huge advances sometimes it's quicker to just deal with a human. I use ATMs for simple things like withdrawals and buying stamps, but if I have a serious issue with my account I want to deal with a teller (if not a branch manager).RaceBannon said:Banks are incrementally getting rid of tellers. Bringing ATMs inside and placing them at the teller line. Bank of America already has some branches with no tellers at all.
You'd be surprised at how many folks still want to wait in line to talk to a teller -
It's cool I get it. You don't eat a lot of Fast food joints That's a good thing. However you couldn't be more wrong on this point. And in the grand scheme of things WGAF.allpurpleallgold said:
This is a common misconception old people have. I realize that back when you were actually a relevant human being, and not just waiting to die, they pre made everything. There isn't a fast food place that pre makes now. Some will pre cook but nothing is made until it's ordered and many cook to order.salemcoog said:
Kreist.allpurpleallgold said:
I haven't seen them because they don't exist. Some places pre cook the meat. No one pre makes the burgers. You're talking out of your ass.greenblood said:
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react.
So you're saying that all burger joints are made to order? Are you like 17 or something??? -
You clearly haven't spent much time at Dick'sallpurpleallgold said:
I haven't seen them because they don't exist. Some places pre cook the meat. No one pre makes the burgers. You're talking out of your ass.greenblood said:
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react. -
This raising the minimum wage shit really bothers me ...
1) Jobs that pay minimum wage aren't designed as being career-based jobs where working full-time is aspirational
2) Minimum wage jobs are for those in high school and college that need to learn a bit about responsibility, gain basic schools in the work place, and could use some spending money
-
1. Because Dick's is the exception, not the rule.Tequilla said:
You clearly haven't spent much time at Dick'sallpurpleallgold said:
I haven't seen them because they don't exist. Some places pre cook the meat. No one pre makes the burgers. You're talking out of your ass.greenblood said:
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react.
2. Would be a good point if the capitalist system actually produced value and jobs, rather than work as an extractive framework for capital. -
OR McDonald's or Burger King or rush times at Wendy's or Carl's Jr.Tequilla said:
You clearly haven't spent much time at Dick'sallpurpleallgold said:
I haven't seen them because they don't exist. Some places pre cook the meat. No one pre makes the burgers. You're talking out of your ass.greenblood said:
So you've obviously haven't seen the dividers behind the cash clerk that's stacked 6 high with pre-made cheeseburgers and quarter pounders during peak times. Gotchaallpurpleallgold said:
Pre-made lol. Ok you're just popping off to pop off.greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Why don't you go tell a manager at any fast food restaurant that you have a brilliant plan to save them money, all they have to do is increase food cost and customer wait times. See how they react. -
Australia does a hybrid of the two models as the minimum wage scales with the age of the worker.Tequilla said:This raising the minimum wage shit really bothers me ...
1) Jobs that pay minimum wage aren't designed as being career-based jobs where working full-time is aspirational
2) Minimum wage jobs are for those in high school and college that need to learn a bit about responsibility, gain basic schools in the work place, and could use some spending money
This helps kids get jobs, but also encourages employers to get rid of them as they get older. -
I actually would be in favor of something like this.UWhuskytskeet said:
Australia does a hybrid of the two models as the minimum wage scales with the age of the worker.Tequilla said:This raising the minimum wage shit really bothers me ...
1) Jobs that pay minimum wage aren't designed as being career-based jobs where working full-time is aspirational
2) Minimum wage jobs are for those in high school and college that need to learn a bit about responsibility, gain basic schools in the work place, and could use some spending money
This helps kids get jobs, but also encourages employers to get rid of them as they get older. -
That wouldn't pass in this country because it violates the discrimination act. You can't base rates by age. Older people would also cry discrimination when they get passed over for a job by a kid. This idea wouldn't stand a chance.Tequilla said:
I actually would be in favor of something like this.UWhuskytskeet said:
Australia does a hybrid of the two models as the minimum wage scales with the age of the worker.Tequilla said:This raising the minimum wage shit really bothers me ...
1) Jobs that pay minimum wage aren't designed as being career-based jobs where working full-time is aspirational
2) Minimum wage jobs are for those in high school and college that need to learn a bit about responsibility, gain basic schools in the work place, and could use some spending money
This helps kids get jobs, but also encourages employers to get rid of them as they get older. -
Or one could pay on a sliding scale of merit, experience, and value-provided.greenblood said:
That wouldn't pass in this country because it violates the discrimination act. You can't base rates by age. Older people would also cry discrimination when they get passed over for a job by a kid. This idea wouldn't stand a chance.Tequilla said:
I actually would be in favor of something like this.UWhuskytskeet said:
Australia does a hybrid of the two models as the minimum wage scales with the age of the worker.Tequilla said:This raising the minimum wage shit really bothers me ...
1) Jobs that pay minimum wage aren't designed as being career-based jobs where working full-time is aspirational
2) Minimum wage jobs are for those in high school and college that need to learn a bit about responsibility, gain basic schools in the work place, and could use some spending money
This helps kids get jobs, but also encourages employers to get rid of them as they get older. -
These are the kinds of thought processes where people in this country need to take step back, take a walk, gather a little perspective (if they are capable of it), and understand common sense.greenblood said:
That wouldn't pass in this country because it violates the discrimination act. You can't base rates by age. Older people would also cry discrimination when they get passed over for a job by a kid. This idea wouldn't stand a chance.Tequilla said:
I actually would be in favor of something like this.UWhuskytskeet said:
Australia does a hybrid of the two models as the minimum wage scales with the age of the worker.Tequilla said:This raising the minimum wage shit really bothers me ...
1) Jobs that pay minimum wage aren't designed as being career-based jobs where working full-time is aspirational
2) Minimum wage jobs are for those in high school and college that need to learn a bit about responsibility, gain basic schools in the work place, and could use some spending money
This helps kids get jobs, but also encourages employers to get rid of them as they get older.
I spent 4 years (2 in high school and 2 in college) working in a restaurant in a wide array of roles. I never made a ton of money but I got pay increases based on merit as well as intangible benefits that helped. I also gained valuable experience on commitment, responsibility, and learning some life skills for the rest of my life.
I spent the next 3 years working in a grocery store where I had a number of responsibilities that were both in/out of what the "responsibilities" of my role were ... things that I'm sure the union would have been upset at me for doing. But I got exposure to inventory management, product ordering, customer service, product marketing, and general management that provided some good real world experience to supplement an education. Not to mention got paid more than I did at a restaurant and got some health benefits to go with it.
That experience parlayed into an evening management position before heading to grad school. I had a number of people that worked for me but most of the courtesy clerks were high school kids looking for extra spending money and were where I was 5 years prior and a lot of the checkers were moms, etc. that were looking for hours that fit around their family schedule.
The moral of the story is that people work in roles that fit their experience and needs. Just let it be that way. -
You misunderstand me. I'm for that proposed wage chart, but there is no way in hell our government is going to push something like that through. It will go to the Supreme Court who will reject it based on the discrimination act. The only way to pass something like this is to rework the discrimination act, and you can imagine the revolt that would follow from the far left, especially unions. It would take two terms for a president to push that through, and the moment a left wing nut takes over, he or she will repeal it.Tequilla said:
These are the kinds of thought processes where people in this country need to take step back, take a walk, gather a little perspective (if they are capable of it), and understand common sense.greenblood said:
That wouldn't pass in this country because it violates the discrimination act. You can't base rates by age. Older people would also cry discrimination when they get passed over for a job by a kid. This idea wouldn't stand a chance.Tequilla said:
I actually would be in favor of something like this.UWhuskytskeet said:
Australia does a hybrid of the two models as the minimum wage scales with the age of the worker.Tequilla said:This raising the minimum wage shit really bothers me ...
1) Jobs that pay minimum wage aren't designed as being career-based jobs where working full-time is aspirational
2) Minimum wage jobs are for those in high school and college that need to learn a bit about responsibility, gain basic schools in the work place, and could use some spending money
This helps kids get jobs, but also encourages employers to get rid of them as they get older.
I spent 4 years (2 in high school and 2 in college) working in a restaurant in a wide array of roles. I never made a ton of money but I got pay increases based on merit as well as intangible benefits that helped. I also gained valuable experience on commitment, responsibility, and learning some life skills for the rest of my life.
I spent the next 3 years working in a grocery store where I had a number of responsibilities that were both in/out of what the "responsibilities" of my role were ... things that I'm sure the union would have been upset at me for doing. But I got exposure to inventory management, product ordering, customer service, product marketing, and general management that provided some good real world experience to supplement an education. Not to mention got paid more than I did at a restaurant and got some health benefits to go with it.
That experience parlayed into an evening management position before heading to grad school. I had a number of people that worked for me but most of the courtesy clerks were high school kids looking for extra spending money and were where I was 5 years prior and a lot of the checkers were moms, etc. that were looking for hours that fit around their family schedule.
The moral of the story is that people work in roles that fit their experience and needs. Just let it be that way. -
I just don't believe someone is entitled to an almost 300% wage increase due to the simple fact that they have managed to keep breathing for 4 years.UWhuskytskeet said:
Australia does a hybrid of the two models as the minimum wage scales with the age of the worker.Tequilla said:This raising the minimum wage shit really bothers me ...
1) Jobs that pay minimum wage aren't designed as being career-based jobs where working full-time is aspirational
2) Minimum wage jobs are for those in high school and college that need to learn a bit about responsibility, gain basic schools in the work place, and could use some spending money
This helps kids get jobs, but also encourages employers to get rid of them as they get older. -
I absolutely understood what you were getting at ...greenblood said:
You misunderstand me. I'm for that proposed wage chart, but there is no way in hell our government is going to push something like that through. It will go to the Supreme Court who will reject it based on the discrimination act. The only way to pass something like this is to rework the discrimination act, and you can imagine the revolt that would follow from the far left, especially unions. It would take two terms for a president to push that through, and the moment a left wing nut takes over, he or she will repeal it.Tequilla said:
These are the kinds of thought processes where people in this country need to take step back, take a walk, gather a little perspective (if they are capable of it), and understand common sense.greenblood said:
That wouldn't pass in this country because it violates the discrimination act. You can't base rates by age. Older people would also cry discrimination when they get passed over for a job by a kid. This idea wouldn't stand a chance.Tequilla said:
I actually would be in favor of something like this.UWhuskytskeet said:
Australia does a hybrid of the two models as the minimum wage scales with the age of the worker.Tequilla said:This raising the minimum wage shit really bothers me ...
1) Jobs that pay minimum wage aren't designed as being career-based jobs where working full-time is aspirational
2) Minimum wage jobs are for those in high school and college that need to learn a bit about responsibility, gain basic schools in the work place, and could use some spending money
This helps kids get jobs, but also encourages employers to get rid of them as they get older.
I spent 4 years (2 in high school and 2 in college) working in a restaurant in a wide array of roles. I never made a ton of money but I got pay increases based on merit as well as intangible benefits that helped. I also gained valuable experience on commitment, responsibility, and learning some life skills for the rest of my life.
I spent the next 3 years working in a grocery store where I had a number of responsibilities that were both in/out of what the "responsibilities" of my role were ... things that I'm sure the union would have been upset at me for doing. But I got exposure to inventory management, product ordering, customer service, product marketing, and general management that provided some good real world experience to supplement an education. Not to mention got paid more than I did at a restaurant and got some health benefits to go with it.
That experience parlayed into an evening management position before heading to grad school. I had a number of people that worked for me but most of the courtesy clerks were high school kids looking for extra spending money and were where I was 5 years prior and a lot of the checkers were moms, etc. that were looking for hours that fit around their family schedule.
The moral of the story is that people work in roles that fit their experience and needs. Just let it be that way.
I couldn't agree more ...
We pass things that seem like good ideas at the time but somewhere down the line isn't particularly well thought out or created an unintended consequence. At that point, revisit what is working and not and adjust as needed.
Part of the reason shit doesn't work is because we're tied up with rules/laws that are tied to time periods that aren't applicable going forward.
