Future of Minimum Wage
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People laugh when I tell them of the inevitable robot takeover. Watch Ex Machina and I Robot again and get back to me. Fools.
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BRB JO.JaWarrenJaHooker said:People laugh when I tell them of the inevitable robot takeover. Watch Ex Machina and I Robot again and get back to me. Fools.
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I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings. -
Robots are coming for the surgeons, for the dentists, for anyone that performs a replicable action. You might think it's just about minimum wage, but you would be wrong.
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30 years ago there were convenience stores that you could make your own burger in and they weren't that bad.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Prices will rise. The entry level workers that this was supposed to benefit will lose hours and jobs. Hourly employees that make more than min wage won't get the raises they deserve. And those on fixed incomes not named Race will be left in the dust as the COLA will go up exponentially compared to their incomes.
Portland and Oregon as a whole just gave Seattle the throat slash sign in the waning moments of the Pussification Cup.
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Obviously I didn't read all of this but I'm standing by the fast food thing being wrong. Fast food places will try it but it won't work. People will fuck up way more orders than a cashier would and they'll take longer. When you press Big Mac and then 10 seconds later switch to a quarter pounder you've cost McDonald's money.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
The only time it would be viable would be during slow hours but you still need people to hand out the food. You could save maybe two shifts a day and anything you'd be saving would be cut into by food waste from dumb fucks that don't know how to order (50% of the customers). -
Some fast food joints already have machines to order at. Automation will inevitably be cheaper than paying a real human regardless of the wage. Companies have been looking for ways to reduce staff forever and paying a few more bucks an hour to an employee isn't going to change that. Raising minimum wage is basically enrolling everyone in a union, which if that is what the people want it is probably better than having them strike. If a business doesn't want to operate in that society it doesn't have to.
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Good news for Rubio and Hillary.
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Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work. -
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work. -
If people are able to buy movie tickets from self serve kiosks, I'm sure they'll figure out how to order a burger.allpurpleallgold said:
Obviously I didn't read all of this but I'm standing by the fast food thing being wrong. Fast food places will try it but it won't work. People will fuck up way more orders than a cashier would and they'll take longer. When you press Big Mac and then 10 seconds later switch to a quarter pounder you've cost McDonald's money.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
The only time it would be viable would be during slow hours but you still need people to hand out the food. You could save maybe two shifts a day and anything you'd be saving would be cut into by food waste from dumb fucks that don't know how to order (50% of the customers). -
Mad_Son said:
Some fast food joints already have machines to order at. Automation will inevitably be cheaper than paying a real human regardless of the wage. Companies have been looking for ways to reduce staff forever and paying a few more bucks an hour to an employee isn't going to change that. Raising minimum wage is basically enrolling everyone in a union, which if that is what the people want it is probably better than having them strike. If a business doesn't want to operate in that society it doesn't have to.
You are right that it's inevitable that machines would take low functioning jobs away. But we aren't talking about a few dollars. Portland minimum wage is going from 9.50 to 14.25. That's a 50% increase over 6 years. This will speed up the innovation within these jobs. That's the point I'm trying to make. Instead of having people work for a wage, we're going to have more people being supported by those that have jobs. -
Excellent time to start talking about transitioning the wage slaves to a guaranteed income paid for by our new robot workforce.
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It's not even close to the same thing. When you fuck up ordering a movie ticket you just go back, when you fuck up ordering McDonalds they throw the food away. And the last few times I've gone to the movies there's been a line to buy a ticket from the human and no one in line at the kiosk. Other than that, great point.greenblood said:
If people are able to buy movie tickets from self serve kiosks, I'm sure they'll figure out how to order a burger.allpurpleallgold said:
Obviously I didn't read all of this but I'm standing by the fast food thing being wrong. Fast food places will try it but it won't work. People will fuck up way more orders than a cashier would and they'll take longer. When you press Big Mac and then 10 seconds later switch to a quarter pounder you've cost McDonald's money.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
The only time it would be viable would be during slow hours but you still need people to hand out the food. You could save maybe two shifts a day and anything you'd be saving would be cut into by food waste from dumb fucks that don't know how to order (50% of the customers). -
I am for kiosks, but against ordering fuck ups.
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Remember how self check out lines at grocery stores were the future and was going to replace cashier's. Yeah didn't happen. However it wasn't minimum wage that caused the change to self checkout lines. Same for kiosks at the airport, I still see humans Manning the counter.greenblood said:
If people are able to buy movie tickets from self serve kiosks, I'm sure they'll figure out how to order a burger.allpurpleallgold said:
Obviously I didn't read all of this but I'm standing by the fast food thing being wrong. Fast food places will try it but it won't work. People will fuck up way more orders than a cashier would and they'll take longer. When you press Big Mac and then 10 seconds later switch to a quarter pounder you've cost McDonald's money.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
The only time it would be viable would be during slow hours but you still need people to hand out the food. You could save maybe two shifts a day and anything you'd be saving would be cut into by food waste from dumb fucks that don't know how to order (50% of the customers).
Besides, we still well need people to program the kiosks. So job losses for minimum wage are replaced by IT nerds. -
I welcome our robot overlords
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Christ, some of you should be embarrassed that this dumb fuck can figure it out and you can't.2001400ex said:
Remember how self check out lines at grocery stores were the future and was going to replace cashier's. Yeah didn't happen. However it wasn't minimum wage that caused the change to self checkout lines. Same for kiosks at the airport, I still see humans Manning the counter.greenblood said:
If people are able to buy movie tickets from self serve kiosks, I'm sure they'll figure out how to order a burger.allpurpleallgold said:
Obviously I didn't read all of this but I'm standing by the fast food thing being wrong. Fast food places will try it but it won't work. People will fuck up way more orders than a cashier would and they'll take longer. When you press Big Mac and then 10 seconds later switch to a quarter pounder you've cost McDonald's money.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
The only time it would be viable would be during slow hours but you still need people to hand out the food. You could save maybe two shifts a day and anything you'd be saving would be cut into by food waste from dumb fucks that don't know how to order (50% of the customers).
Besides, we still well need people to program the kiosks. So job losses for minimum wage are replaced by IT nerds. -
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run? -
Montana's minimum wage may have jumped from 2007-2009, but please explain why it was $7.25/hour in 2009 and has gone "all the way up" to $8.05/hour in 2015. If that 2 year window you speak about was so successful and a non event to business owners, why were they not able continue the climb?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
I've worked in public accounting (not in mighty Montana), big business and now own my own company. If you think a theoretical spreadsheet with little skin in the game makes you an expert as a business owner, you are more FS than I've given you credit for. -
Montana is mostly run by conservative "poor folk don't need help" politicians that won't raise minimum wage.HuskyInAZ said:
Montana's minimum wage may have jumped from 2007-2009, but please explain why it was $7.25/hour in 2009 and has gone "all the way up" to $8.05/hour in 2015. If that 2 year window you speak about was so successful and a non event to business owners, why were they not able continue the climb?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
I've worked in public accounting (not in mighty Montana), big business and now own my own company. If you think a theoretical spreadsheet with little skin in the game makes you an expert as a business owner, you are more FS than I've given you credit for.
But yes, nice argument. "I used to do this so you are FS". micdrop.gif -
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue. -
Orkin just kicked me to 15 bucks an hour to head off my inevitable hunger strike.
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I also love the argument that the loss of these minimum wage jobs will be replaced by IT jobs.
You trade in 4-5 minimum wage jobs for 1 IT job, and even then, these minimum wage earners aren't skilled to take these IT jobs, so all you're doing is increasing the welfare pool. -
None of these scenarios will happen.
Life will stay the fucking the same....wages go up...prices will go up and it's going to be status quo. BFD. -
You didn't answer my question. You said you run a small business so you know about payroll taxes. What small business?greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Not to mention the rest of your post is FS. -
It sounds like we should be expanding education so that we can retrain these minimum wage slaves who don't have a future in this new economy. Whether we make them obsolete in ten years or twenty is missing the point; sooner or later they are going to need to obtain new skills.
Bernie may be perverting the capitalist incentives that make higher ed so successful in this country with his free college tuition handouts, but he has the right end goal in mind, and AFAIK is the only candidate who has made the issue an integral part of their platform. Unless we make a commitment to retraining these folks, we're only arguing about how long the band-aid is going to stay on. -
I own an Orkin Branch. Ask Swaye2001400ex said:
You didn't answer my question. You said you run a small business so you know about payroll taxes. What small business?greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Not to mention the rest of your post is FS. -
It's true. He's my boss. He makes me do demeaning things while nude. I love this job.greenblood said:
I own an Orkin Branch. Ask Swaye2001400ex said:
You didn't answer my question. You said you run a small business so you know about payroll taxes. What small business?greenblood said:
My argument is that they won't have somebody delivering food. How hard is it for a cook to intercom "#54 your order is ready" hell pizza parlors do it, why can't McDonald's?2001400ex said:
Yet you still don't get it. Not to mention your math is way fucking off. 2 clerks per shift isn't close to $180k. Remember how a fast food restaurant works. There's a peak time for lunch and dinner rush, other than that, they staff with 1 person at the register the rest of the day. A kiosk won't solve that unless you have a robot bringing people food now.greenblood said:
That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.2001400ex said:
Pump my gas, duck.greenblood said:I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.
Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.
All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.
Changes that will happen sooner or later.
McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.
Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.
Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.
Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.
With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.
Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.
You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.
Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
Not to mention you don't get the economics at a fast food restaurant. They have a high marginal return on labor. In other words, as sales go up, their labor percentage goes down.
I remember the same argument in Montana when minimum wage went from 5.15 to 7.25 in 2 years. What happened to fast food restaurants? They grew and more than covered the cost of the labor. Weird, right? Not really when you look at the percentage of fast food money that comes from minimum wage people.
I am curious tho, what type of small business do you run?
APAG how much do you think a hamburger patty costs the food chain? That's what I thought. just like apvie ticket kiosk, they wouldn't make it until you processed the order, but even then most of the food is pre-made anyways, especially during rush times.
The problem with you APAG is that Honda isn't right, you're just as clueless as he is.
Fast food doesn't have as high a return as you think. They have great output but let's also not forget, the average order is around $5.00 per person, and that's gross revenue.
Not to mention the rest of your post is FS. -
Someone brought up the supermarket comparison. A few have the automated check-outs but most don't. Albertson's got rid of them, at least around here. No Safeways have them. Neither do Trader Joe, Whore Foods, I mean Whole Foods...sorry Stalin, Sprouts, hippy organic places or Food City. Fry's has some, but they also usually have at least two or three breather checkout folks, and 5-8 during peak business times. I remember people freaking out about automation in groceries around 2001 when these first started and 15 years later they really haven't replaced many jobs. A lot of people, even borderline misanthropes such as myself find this kind of thing impersonal and rarely use it.
