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  • JaWarrenJaHooker
    JaWarrenJaHooker Member Posts: 2,159
    People laugh when I tell them of the inevitable robot takeover. Watch Ex Machina and I Robot again and get back to me. Fools.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    People laugh when I tell them of the inevitable robot takeover. Watch Ex Machina and I Robot again and get back to me. Fools.

    BRB JO.
  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    Robots are coming for the surgeons, for the dentists, for anyone that performs a replicable action. You might think it's just about minimum wage, but you would be wrong.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    edited February 2016

    I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.

    Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.

    All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.

    Changes that will happen sooner or later.

    McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.

    Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.

    Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.

    Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.

    With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.

    Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.

    You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.

    30 years ago there were convenience stores that you could make your own burger in and they weren't that bad.

    Prices will rise. The entry level workers that this was supposed to benefit will lose hours and jobs. Hourly employees that make more than min wage won't get the raises they deserve. And those on fixed incomes not named Race will be left in the dust as the COLA will go up exponentially compared to their incomes.

    Portland and Oregon as a whole just gave Seattle the throat slash sign in the waning moments of the Pussification Cup.

    Game over.
  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.

    Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.

    All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.

    Changes that will happen sooner or later.

    McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.

    Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.

    Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.

    Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.

    With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.

    Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.

    You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.

    Obviously I didn't read all of this but I'm standing by the fast food thing being wrong. Fast food places will try it but it won't work. People will fuck up way more orders than a cashier would and they'll take longer. When you press Big Mac and then 10 seconds later switch to a quarter pounder you've cost McDonald's money.

    The only time it would be viable would be during slow hours but you still need people to hand out the food. You could save maybe two shifts a day and anything you'd be saving would be cut into by food waste from dumb fucks that don't know how to order (50% of the customers).
  • Mad_Son
    Mad_Son Member Posts: 10,194
    Some fast food joints already have machines to order at. Automation will inevitably be cheaper than paying a real human regardless of the wage. Companies have been looking for ways to reduce staff forever and paying a few more bucks an hour to an employee isn't going to change that. Raising minimum wage is basically enrolling everyone in a union, which if that is what the people want it is probably better than having them strike. If a business doesn't want to operate in that society it doesn't have to.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,778
    Good news for Rubio and Hillary.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.

    Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.

    All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.

    Changes that will happen sooner or later.

    McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.

    Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.

    Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.

    Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.

    With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.

    Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.

    You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.

    Pump my gas, duck.

    Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,573
    edited February 2016
    2001400ex said:

    I laughed when Oregon just passed their minimum wage bill.

    Wages in Portland within six years will be $14.25/hour, Eugene/Salem $13.50/hr, and rural $12.50/hr.

    All this is going to do is increase poverty. Most minimum wage jobs are store clerks, waiters/waitresses, gas attendants, etc.

    Changes that will happen sooner or later.

    McDonalds, Wendys, Burger King, etc. will take out the cash register attendant and will go to a self serve POS system. Customers can order their food through a touchscreen, then pay by card or cash through the machine. The order will be sent to cooks, who prepare the order. They can then ring a bill and announce completed orders by number for the person to pick it up. All they need is 3 cooks and someone to clean the store.

    Waiters/waitresses will make less. Because as restaurants up their prices, people like me will stop tipping. Many of these tips come in cash and are not reported to the IRS, thus they get it tax free. Say goodbye to that.

    Gas attendants. It looks like Ducks will be pumping their own gas pretty soon. You can't tell me these business chains aren't going to put pressure on the state to change the law allowing for self pump stations.

    Safeway, Albertsons, Fred Meyer, Walmart, etc. will be dominated by self check out stands. They have them already, but expect that number to multiply.

    With increased prices the people making $15-$17.00/hr will now see their disposable income shrink, and more people working minimum wage jobs will be unemployed because their cost of employment is no longer beneficial compared to technology. One guy setting on his ass making sure the machines are running like they are supposed to will not make up for the multiple jobs lost by these machines.

    Which is why I think most liberals lack mental thinking.

    You think I'm wrong. In Portland alone, each McDonalds store would save $5,300/week in wages by putting in a machine. There are obviously going to be sunk cost for the equipment, but the $275,000 saved in wages each year would make up for that very quickly. The number is based on losing three clerks per shift. Even only cutting two per shift is a $180,000/year savings.

    Pump my gas, duck.

    Oh yeah, you have no idea about how small business work.
    That's funny, because I run a small business. By paying payroll taxes every quarter, I think I have a better understanding than you on employee cost.