Your ideal tax scenario
Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. The only taxes that fundamentally make sense to me are income taxes and property taxes. I believe in a government for the people, by the people, and the people should be who pay for it. I also believe that the land must be worked and if land is not productive it needs to be put to use. I think on some level it is absurd that just by being there first you get to own land, and while some people are born on third base others are born in the stands. It is tough to reconcile the historic basis for land ownership with modern reality where land is much scarcer per person, but I don't believe in ex post facto so if you own something before you should keep it now. In a similar vein I do believe in royalties to the government for exploiting a country's natural resources but that is very separate from a generic corporate taxes.
In terms of income taxes I conceptually like flat taxes but I believe progressive taxes also make sense on some level (after all the more you have the more you benefit from the security of a country's military and police force - it is very much an insurance policy for your massive holdings if you have them).
Anyways, what do you think. I know we're burdened by the tax system we have today, but in an ideal world what you like to see?
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There should be credits for being smart with your money i.e. extra retirement investing (Roth IRA contributions ), having a 5 figure liquid savings account, paying extra principal on your house, etc. . Anything that makes it less likely that the government will have to take care of you financially somewhere down the road. Reward people for being smart with their money rather than just for having kids.
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tldr
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Holy crap I would love to pay down the principal on my mortgage and have that count account my taxes. At least the mortgage interest counts on some level...bananasnblondes said:There should be credits for being smart with your money i.e. extra retirement investing (Roth IRA contributions ), having a 5 figure liquid savings account, paying extra principal on your house, etc. . Anything that makes it less likely that the government will have to take care of you financially somewhere down the road. Reward people for being smart with their money rather than just for having kids.
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You could have just posted your thoughts without reading mine, millenial.allpurpleallgold said:tldr
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Round up all welfare recipients into forced labor camps and kick the illegal immigrants out.
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"Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. "Mad_Son said:Obviously we all want the maximum return from our government with the minimum input. What we want from the government will drastically vary from person to person, but assuming you believe a government should exist and do things that cost money (realistically the basic existence of a minimal government costs at least some small amount of money), how should it be funded?
Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. The only taxes that fundamentally make sense to me are income taxes and property taxes. I believe in a government for the people, by the people, and the people should be who pay for it. I also believe that the land must be worked and if land is not productive it needs to be put to use. I think on some level it is absurd that just by being there first you get to own land, and while some people are born on third base others are born in the stands. It is tough to reconcile the historic basis for land ownership with modern reality where land is much scarcer per person, but I don't believe in ex post facto so if you own something before you should keep it now. In a similar vein I do believe in royalties to the government for exploiting a country's natural resources but that is very separate from a generic corporate taxes.
In terms of income taxes I conceptually like flat taxes but I believe progressive taxes also make sense on some level (after all the more you have the more you benefit from the security of a country's military and police force - it is very much an insurance policy for your massive holdings if you have them).
Anyways, what do you think. I know we're burdened by the tax system we have today, but in an ideal world what you like to see?
I think its ridiculous that ANYONE could suggest that Corporations should not be taxed.
Forget the fact that if EVERYONE incorporated then the Government has no tax base.
How about CORPORATIONS REQUIRE GOVERNMENT SERVICES ? Why should someone living below the fucking poverty line pay for the greedy fucking corporation's existence?
But to answer your question - then the best tax system would be similar to what we have now but with fewer loopholes. ALL earnings should be taxed. People that make more money should be taxed at higher rates.
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That's why you're a democrat.allpurpleallgold said:tldr
Taxes are something somebody else pays and you just get the free shit. -
EwaDawg said:
"Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. "Mad_Son said:Obviously we all want the maximum return from our government with the minimum input. What we want from the government will drastically vary from person to person, but assuming you believe a government should exist and do things that cost money (realistically the basic existence of a minimal government costs at least some small amount of money), how should it be funded?
Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. The only taxes that fundamentally make sense to me are income taxes and property taxes. I believe in a government for the people, by the people, and the people should be who pay for it. I also believe that the land must be worked and if land is not productive it needs to be put to use. I think on some level it is absurd that just by being there first you get to own land, and while some people are born on third base others are born in the stands. It is tough to reconcile the historic basis for land ownership with modern reality where land is much scarcer per person, but I don't believe in ex post facto so if you own something before you should keep it now. In a similar vein I do believe in royalties to the government for exploiting a country's natural resources but that is very separate from a generic corporate taxes.
In terms of income taxes I conceptually like flat taxes but I believe progressive taxes also make sense on some level (after all the more you have the more you benefit from the security of a country's military and police force - it is very much an insurance policy for your massive holdings if you have them).
Anyways, what do you think. I know we're burdened by the tax system we have today, but in an ideal world what you like to see?
I think its ridiculous that ANYONE could suggest that Corporations should not be taxed.
Forget the fact that if EVERYONE incorporated then the Government has no tax base.
How about CORPORATIONS REQUIRE GOVERNMENT SERVICES ? Why should someone living below the fucking poverty line pay for the greedy fucking corporation's existence?
But to answer your question - then the best tax system would be similar to what we have now but with fewer loopholes. ALL earnings should be taxed. People that make more money should be taxed at higher rates.
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Jesus Christ.
The liberals are out in full force today.
Tax the 1% ...
Tax the hell out of corporations.
Taxing the rich people is fun, until you're considered the rich person. -
Corporations still need to be taxed. The though that:
A) You keep the economy stronger by charging low to no income taxes is fucktarded as the lions share or the money goes to the richest of the rich. Bonuses for CEOS' and higher dividend for fatcat shareholders. I'm all for the ones who made the risk to get paid off but they need to pay their taxes to.
if you back off on Corporate taxes, they'll hire more people at higher wages and the income taxes from such employees more than offsets the lost tax revenue form the corporation. This is the most fucktarded stance I hear as that the Corporation won't hire more people at higher paying jobs. they simply off load more work load to current employess. Or hire for a couple dimes on the dollar off-shore.
It's a delicate balance, Corporations need to pay taxes but not a much higher amount than now as they will pull up stakes and leave the Country if taxed too high. -
topdawgnc said:
Agree. I'm rich and loathe paying the bill for all the elderly and illegals out in the inland empire.EwaDawg said:
"Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. "Mad_Son said:Obviously we all want the maximum return from our government with the minimum input. What we want from the government will drastically vary from person to person, but assuming you believe a government should exist and do things that cost money (realistically the basic existence of a minimal government costs at least some small amount of money), how should it be funded?
Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. The only taxes that fundamentally make sense to me are income taxes and property taxes. I believe in a government for the people, by the people, and the people should be who pay for it. I also believe that the land must be worked and if land is not productive it needs to be put to use. I think on some level it is absurd that just by being there first you get to own land, and while some people are born on third base others are born in the stands. It is tough to reconcile the historic basis for land ownership with modern reality where land is much scarcer per person, but I don't believe in ex post facto so if you own something before you should keep it now. In a similar vein I do believe in royalties to the government for exploiting a country's natural resources but that is very separate from a generic corporate taxes.
In terms of income taxes I conceptually like flat taxes but I believe progressive taxes also make sense on some level (after all the more you have the more you benefit from the security of a country's military and police force - it is very much an insurance policy for your massive holdings if you have them).
Anyways, what do you think. I know we're burdened by the tax system we have today, but in an ideal world what you like to see?
I think its ridiculous that ANYONE could suggest that Corporations should not be taxed.
Forget the fact that if EVERYONE incorporated then the Government has no tax base.
How about CORPORATIONS REQUIRE GOVERNMENT SERVICES ? Why should someone living below the fucking poverty line pay for the greedy fucking corporation's existence?
But to answer your question - then the best tax system would be similar to what we have now but with fewer loopholes. ALL earnings should be taxed. People that make more money should be taxed at higher rates.
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Jesus Christ.
The liberals are out in full force today.
Tax the 1% ...
Tax the hell out of corporations.
Taxing the rich people is fun, until you're considered the rich person.</p> -
BallSacked said:
The elderly carried your sorry ass when your broke ass parents had you in a public school system.topdawgnc said:
Agree. I'm rich and loathe paying the bill for all the elderly and illegals out in the inland empire.EwaDawg said:
"Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. "Mad_Son said:Obviously we all want the maximum return from our government with the minimum input. What we want from the government will drastically vary from person to person, but assuming you believe a government should exist and do things that cost money (realistically the basic existence of a minimal government costs at least some small amount of money), how should it be funded?
Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. The only taxes that fundamentally make sense to me are income taxes and property taxes. I believe in a government for the people, by the people, and the people should be who pay for it. I also believe that the land must be worked and if land is not productive it needs to be put to use. I think on some level it is absurd that just by being there first you get to own land, and while some people are born on third base others are born in the stands. It is tough to reconcile the historic basis for land ownership with modern reality where land is much scarcer per person, but I don't believe in ex post facto so if you own something before you should keep it now. In a similar vein I do believe in royalties to the government for exploiting a country's natural resources but that is very separate from a generic corporate taxes.
In terms of income taxes I conceptually like flat taxes but I believe progressive taxes also make sense on some level (after all the more you have the more you benefit from the security of a country's military and police force - it is very much an insurance policy for your massive holdings if you have them).
Anyways, what do you think. I know we're burdened by the tax system we have today, but in an ideal world what you like to see?
I think its ridiculous that ANYONE could suggest that Corporations should not be taxed.
Forget the fact that if EVERYONE incorporated then the Government has no tax base.
How about CORPORATIONS REQUIRE GOVERNMENT SERVICES ? Why should someone living below the fucking poverty line pay for the greedy fucking corporation's existence?
But to answer your question - then the best tax system would be similar to what we have now but with fewer loopholes. ALL earnings should be taxed. People that make more money should be taxed at higher rates.
</
Jesus Christ.
The liberals are out in full force today.
Tax the 1% ...
Tax the hell out of corporations.
Taxing the rich people is fun, until you're considered the rich person.</p>
You should not only pay taxes to support the elderly ... you should have to go jerk the old guys off as a way of saying thanks. -
I am against paying taxes but for jerking off old guys.
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I understand the need for taxes, and with the exception of my property tax, I am not overtly displeased with what I pay in proportion.
I think it is a little fucked up my property tax bill is 50% of what my annual mortgage payment is.
I don't believe in property tax. It is a continual tax based on an arbitrary number created by a bureaucrat. As a side note I find it highly amusing that when the Texas Supreme Court ruled property taxes were unconstitutionally high, my rate went down ... but the value of my home went up by 25%. Just below the 26% annual cap increase. I am now paying a higher dollar amount on a lower percentage. One time tax on your property during its transfer of ownership.
I also don't believe in taxing labor or income.
Let's get to a consumption based tax. If you don't spend money, you don't get taxed.
I do believe in corporate tax. This is just an income tax for corporations, so I am a little inconsistent here. However, if they don't invest or promote jobs they should pay a tax penalty.
End of day ... I believe taxes serve two purposes, one is to generate revenue, the second is to modify behavior. To someone's point we can use taxes for good ... and encourage behaviors such as saving and paying off your house quicker.
The challenge is that people also see taxes as a way to support their pet interest and hold power (see Bernie Sanders) and give away free shit.
No matter what our tax structure the fucktards in Washington will fuck it up. -
topdawgnc said:
You fucking socialist democrat...BallSacked said:
The elderly carried your sorry ass when your broke ass parents had you in a public school system.topdawgnc said:
Agree. I'm rich and loathe paying the bill for all the elderly and illegals out in the inland empire.EwaDawg said:
"Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. "Mad_Son said:Obviously we all want the maximum return from our government with the minimum input. What we want from the government will drastically vary from person to person, but assuming you believe a government should exist and do things that cost money (realistically the basic existence of a minimal government costs at least some small amount of money), how should it be funded?
Personally I don't believe in estate taxes, sales taxes corporate taxes, etc, etc. The only taxes that fundamentally make sense to me are income taxes and property taxes. I believe in a government for the people, by the people, and the people should be who pay for it. I also believe that the land must be worked and if land is not productive it needs to be put to use. I think on some level it is absurd that just by being there first you get to own land, and while some people are born on third base others are born in the stands. It is tough to reconcile the historic basis for land ownership with modern reality where land is much scarcer per person, but I don't believe in ex post facto so if you own something before you should keep it now. In a similar vein I do believe in royalties to the government for exploiting a country's natural resources but that is very separate from a generic corporate taxes.
In terms of income taxes I conceptually like flat taxes but I believe progressive taxes also make sense on some level (after all the more you have the more you benefit from the security of a country's military and police force - it is very much an insurance policy for your massive holdings if you have them).
Anyways, what do you think. I know we're burdened by the tax system we have today, but in an ideal world what you like to see?
I think its ridiculous that ANYONE could suggest that Corporations should not be taxed.
Forget the fact that if EVERYONE incorporated then the Government has no tax base.
How about CORPORATIONS REQUIRE GOVERNMENT SERVICES ? Why should someone living below the fucking poverty line pay for the greedy fucking corporation's existence?
But to answer your question - then the best tax system would be similar to what we have now but with fewer loopholes. ALL earnings should be taxed. People that make more money should be taxed at higher rates.
</
Jesus Christ.
The liberals are out in full force today.
Tax the 1% ...
Tax the hell out of corporations.
Taxing the rich people is fun, until you're considered the rich person.</p>
You should not only pay taxes to support the elderly ... you should have to go jerk the old guys off as a way of saying thanks. -
Toppy pays more taxes than any Democrat.
Oh wait, no he doesn't, he just shoots off his cake hole like he does.
Shut your cunt, toppy. Nobody believes you're paying anyone's way except you. -
Democrats voted for Obama. Democrats vote for Hillary. I've didn't and won't.topdawgnc said:
That's why you're a democrat.allpurpleallgold said:tldr
Taxes are something somebody else pays and you just get the free shit.
I don't get shit for free. In fact I pay to not have health insurance.
To summarize, you're a fucking idiot.
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You must not know how to read.dflea said:Toppy pays more taxes than any Democrat.
Oh wait, no he doesn't, he just shoots off his cake hole like he does.
Shut your cunt, toppy. Nobody believes you're paying anyone's way except you.
Not uncommon for your ilk. -
Just sent in my penaltyallpurpleallgold said:
Democrats voted for Obama. Democrats vote for Hillary. I've didn't and won't.topdawgnc said:
That's why you're a democrat.allpurpleallgold said:tldr
Taxes are something somebody else pays and you just get the free shit.
I don't get shit for free. In fact I pay to not have health insurance.
To summarize, you're a fucking idiot. -
Mortgage interest is great for your tax return, until 5 years down the road you realize your principal balance is nearly the same as when you bought.Mad_Son said:
Holy crap I would love to pay down the principal on my mortgage and have that count account my taxes. At least the mortgage interest counts on some level...bananasnblondes said:There should be credits for being smart with your money i.e. extra retirement investing (Roth IRA contributions ), having a 5 figure liquid savings account, paying extra principal on your house, etc. . Anything that makes it less likely that the government will have to take care of you financially somewhere down the road. Reward people for being smart with their money rather than just for having kids.
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Kreist.RaceBannon said:
Just sent in my penaltyallpurpleallgold said:
Democrats voted for Obama. Democrats vote for Hillary. I've didn't and won't.topdawgnc said:
That's why you're a democrat.allpurpleallgold said:tldr
Taxes are something somebody else pays and you just get the free shit.
I don't get shit for free. In fact I pay to not have health insurance.
To summarize, you're a fucking idiot.
Being over 60, old .white and not rich enough to pay for a catastrophic health event and not buying health insurance is akin to a welfare mom shooting out another snotter for a bigger paycheck.
You should be ashamed of yourself if true. -
Don't believe you but if trueRaceBannon said:
Just sent in my penaltyallpurpleallgold said:
Democrats voted for Obama. Democrats vote for Hillary. I've didn't and won't.topdawgnc said:
That's why you're a democrat.allpurpleallgold said:tldr
Taxes are something somebody else pays and you just get the free shit.
I don't get shit for free. In fact I pay to not have health insurance.
To summarize, you're a fucking idiot.
That
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Sweet Now we know that both college doog and apag either voted for Romney or wrote their own name in last Prez election.
Or Sweet abundance.
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Sweet Now we know that both college doog and apag either voted for Romney or wrote their own name in last Prez election.
Or Sweet abundance.
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I hear "consumption tax" and that just sounds like a way to make spending money sound like a sin or some shit. Why should you be taxed for participation in the economy? You get the services you get for being a person in the country... Like I understand why it is favorable the richer you become but it doesn't really make logical sense other than as a way to tax poor people relatively more heavily than rich people...topdawgnc said:I understand the need for taxes, and with the exception of my property tax, I am not overtly displeased with what I pay in proportion.
I think it is a little fucked up my property tax bill is 50% of what my annual mortgage payment is.
I don't believe in property tax. It is a continual tax based on an arbitrary number created by a bureaucrat. As a side note I find it highly amusing that when the Texas Supreme Court ruled property taxes were unconstitutionally high, my rate went down ... but the value of my home went up by 25%. Just below the 26% annual cap increase. I am now paying a higher dollar amount on a lower percentage. One time tax on your property during its transfer of ownership.
I also don't believe in taxing labor or income.
Let's get to a consumption based tax. If you don't spend money, you don't get taxed.
I do believe in corporate tax. This is just an income tax for corporations, so I am a little inconsistent here. However, if they don't invest or promote jobs they should pay a tax penalty.
End of day ... I believe taxes serve two purposes, one is to generate revenue, the second is to modify behavior. To someone's point we can use taxes for good ... and encourage behaviors such as saving and paying off your house quicker.
The challenge is that people also see taxes as a way to support their pet interest and hold power (see Bernie Sanders) and give away free shit.
No matter what our tax structure the fucktards in Washington will fuck it up. -
Like I understand the practical purpose of taxing corporations but why does it make sense in an ideal world?salemcoog said:Corporations still need to be taxed. The though that:
A) You keep the economy stronger by charging low to no income taxes is fucktarded as the lions share or the money goes to the richest of the rich. Bonuses for CEOS' and higher dividend for fatcat shareholders. I'm all for the ones who made the risk to get paid off but they need to pay their taxes to. if you back off on Corporate taxes, they'll hire more people at higher wages and the income taxes from such employees more than offsets the lost tax revenue form the corporation. This is the most fucktarded stance I hear as that the Corporation won't hire more people at higher paying jobs. they simply off load more work load to current employess. Or hire for a couple dimes on the dollar off-shore.
It's a delicate balance, Corporations need to pay taxes but not a much higher amount than now as they will pull up stakes and leave the Country if taxed too high. -
Not to mention that 70% of the economy is consumer spending. A consumption tax is fairly counterintuitive to consumer spending.Mad_Son said:
I hear "consumption tax" and that just sounds like a way to make spending money sound like a sin or some shit. Why should you be taxed for participation in the economy? You get the services you get for being a person in the country... Like I understand why it is favorable the richer you become but it doesn't really make logical sense other than as a way to tax poor people relatively more heavily than rich people...topdawgnc said:I understand the need for taxes, and with the exception of my property tax, I am not overtly displeased with what I pay in proportion.
I think it is a little fucked up my property tax bill is 50% of what my annual mortgage payment is.
I don't believe in property tax. It is a continual tax based on an arbitrary number created by a bureaucrat. As a side note I find it highly amusing that when the Texas Supreme Court ruled property taxes were unconstitutionally high, my rate went down ... but the value of my home went up by 25%. Just below the 26% annual cap increase. I am now paying a higher dollar amount on a lower percentage. One time tax on your property during its transfer of ownership.
I also don't believe in taxing labor or income.
Let's get to a consumption based tax. If you don't spend money, you don't get taxed.
I do believe in corporate tax. This is just an income tax for corporations, so I am a little inconsistent here. However, if they don't invest or promote jobs they should pay a tax penalty.
End of day ... I believe taxes serve two purposes, one is to generate revenue, the second is to modify behavior. To someone's point we can use taxes for good ... and encourage behaviors such as saving and paying off your house quicker.
The challenge is that people also see taxes as a way to support their pet interest and hold power (see Bernie Sanders) and give away free shit.
No matter what our tax structure the fucktards in Washington will fuck it up. -
You can say that again.salemcoog said:Sweet Now we know that both college doog and apag either voted for Romney or wrote their own name in last Prez election.
Or Sweet abundance. -
You can say that again.salemcoog said:Sweet Now we know that both college doog and apag either voted for Romney or wrote their own name in last Prez election.
Or Sweet abundance. -
What is my ilk you little bitch?topdawgnc said:
You must not know how to read.dflea said:Toppy pays more taxes than any Democrat.
Oh wait, no he doesn't, he just shoots off his cake hole like he does.
Shut your cunt, toppy. Nobody believes you're paying anyone's way except you.
Not uncommon for your ilk.
I've had a job since I was 12. I've never had any government assistance of any kind my whole life.
Still, my parents paid for my college, and I've never missed a meal I didnt choose to, so I don;t pretend to be gritty and tuff like those that have had a rougher life than I've had. But I bet I'm tuff enough to shut your dumb ass up. -
Stupid is being a fucking sheep who lets the government force them to buy a pile of shit policy from a private insurance company
