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  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,309
    dnc said:

    Good gig for him. Not much spread in Integer cuntry. He might be able to parlay this into one more good DC gig before the world realizes he's a fraud.

    I don't know if he's a fraud.

    Not a very good DC though.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    HuskyJW said:

    dnc said:

    Good gig for him. Not much spread in Integer cuntry. He might be able to parlay this into one more good DC gig before the world realizes he's a fraud.

    I don't know if he's a fraud.

    Not a very good DC though.
    Look at the list of jobs he's had. DC at Tennessee, Washington, USC and now Wisconsin. That's three programs anyone would be proud to have one their resume and one that we miss, dammit.

    I don't think his performance has merited another opportunity at a program of Wisky's caliber.
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  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    Against those types of offenses he'll do OK. He'll get plungered by Meyer, of course, but everyone else he'll be alright against. Not a horrible hire.
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  • Meek
    Meek Member Posts: 7,031
    Wisconsin now has arguably the best young coaching staff in America.

    - Herbie
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    Glad Bama caught them when they did
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  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,730 Founders Club
    The cursing USC press box story against furd in the P12 championship game is all you need to know.

    Coaching for their jobs, they had no chance.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    edited January 2016
    PurpleJ said:

    dnc said:

    HuskyJW said:

    dnc said:

    Good gig for him. Not much spread in Integer cuntry. He might be able to parlay this into one more good DC gig before the world realizes he's a fraud.

    I don't know if he's a fraud.

    Not a very good DC though.
    Look at the list of jobs he's had. DC at Tennessee, Washington, USC and now Wisconsin. That's three programs anyone would be proud to have one their resume and one that we miss, dammit.

    I don't think his performance has merited another opportunity at a program of Wisky's caliber.
    Look at the head coaches he was under at those jobs. Don't think he is quite as bad as you are making him out to be.
    At a minimum, he's a terrible judge of character/competence.
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  • FreeChavez
    FreeChavez Member Posts: 3,223
    Typically if you've left 3 jobs in worse shape than when you took them over it leads to some sort of downgrade for a couple years to gain perspective and come back after a short timeout to coach linebackers.

    I don't know what he's done in any of his jobs that should endear him to any program at this point. Maybe after a few years I could see him getting another shot but to bounce from DC to DC to DC to DC seems ridiculous. It's almost as ridiculous as hiring JSmeeth as your OC.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,144
    It just shows you how crazy college coaching is. Wilcox was fired, but upgraded his job. He gets to scheme against Big 10 teams. Not one team in the Big 10 had a great offense. Even Ohio State struggled. Wisconsin is almost one on those places that coaches itself.
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,347 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    It just shows you how crazy college coaching is. Wilcox was fired, but upgraded his job. He gets to scheme against Big 10 teams. Not one team in the Big 10 had a great offense. Even Ohio State struggled. Wisconsin is almost one on those places that coaches itself.

    I get what you're saying, but Wisconsin is not an upgrade from USC.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,144
    Southerndawg said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    It just shows you how crazy college coaching is. Wilcox was fired, but upgraded his job. He gets to scheme against Big 10 teams. Not one team in the Big 10 had a great offense. Even Ohio State struggled. Wisconsin is almost one on those places that coaches itself.

    I get what you're saying, but Wisconsin is not an upgrade from USC.
    I think it is for career purposes.
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,347 Founders Club
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Southerndawg said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    It just shows you how crazy college coaching is. Wilcox was fired, but upgraded his job. He gets to scheme against Big 10 teams. Not one team in the Big 10 had a great offense. Even Ohio State struggled. Wisconsin is almost one on those places that coaches itself.

    I get what you're saying, but Wisconsin is not an upgrade from USC.
    I think it is for career purposes.
    From USC Carroll moved back to head coach in the NFL, Kiffin to the NFL, Tennessee and back to USC as head coach, Sark to UW and back to USC as head coach, and Chow eventually to Hawaii as head coach. If you go back in time you'll see similar patterns with McKay and Robinson staffs. I would argue that Wisconsin does not have equal career potential to USC.

    At the same time I agree that in the short run, Wilcox might more easily hide some of his warts at Wisconsin and possibly elevate his prospects from where he currently stands, but IMO that's not an upgrade, it's more taking a step back to take a step up.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    Southerndawg said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    It just shows you how crazy college coaching is. Wilcox was fired, but upgraded his job. He gets to scheme against Big 10 teams. Not one team in the Big 10 had a great offense. Even Ohio State struggled. Wisconsin is almost one on those places that coaches itself.

    I get what you're saying, but Wisconsin is not an upgrade from USC.
    This isn't your (2) dad's USC. No program in America is more dependent on a great coach. Shitty stadium, shitty facilities, shitty hood.

    Wisconsin is a player every year now for B1G honors. Been to the Rose Bowl more recently. Didn't they just beat USC in a bowl? Better league too.
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  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    But Kim's sources told me he was headed to Georgia. #10.95amonth
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  • MisterEm
    MisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
    insinceredawg said:

    But Kim's sources told me he was headed to Georgia. #10.95amonth

    Kim said he knew about Wiscy last week.

    Try to keep up with his schtick.
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Southerndawg said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    It just shows you how crazy college coaching is. Wilcox was fired, but upgraded his job. He gets to scheme against Big 10 teams. Not one team in the Big 10 had a great offense. Even Ohio State struggled. Wisconsin is almost one on those places that coaches itself.

    I get what you're saying, but Wisconsin is not an upgrade from USC.
    This isn't your (2) dad's USC. No program in America is more dependent on a great coach. Shitty stadium, shitty facilities, shitty hood.

    Wisconsin is a player every year now for B1G honors. Been to the Rose Bowl more recently. Didn't they just beat USC in a bowl? Better league too.
    No program in America?

    image
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    PurpleJ said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Southerndawg said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    It just shows you how crazy college coaching is. Wilcox was fired, but upgraded his job. He gets to scheme against Big 10 teams. Not one team in the Big 10 had a great offense. Even Ohio State struggled. Wisconsin is almost one on those places that coaches itself.

    I get what you're saying, but Wisconsin is not an upgrade from USC.
    This isn't your (2) dad's USC. No program in America is more dependent on a great coach. Shitty stadium, shitty facilities, shitty hood.

    Wisconsin is a player every year now for B1G honors. Been to the Rose Bowl more recently. Didn't they just beat USC in a bowl? Better league too.
    No program in America?

    image
    But great facilities. Was Rick a great coach when he won Rose Bowl and popped off?
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    PurpleJ said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Southerndawg said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    It just shows you how crazy college coaching is. Wilcox was fired, but upgraded his job. He gets to scheme against Big 10 teams. Not one team in the Big 10 had a great offense. Even Ohio State struggled. Wisconsin is almost one on those places that coaches itself.

    I get what you're saying, but Wisconsin is not an upgrade from USC.
    This isn't your (2) dad's USC. No program in America is more dependent on a great coach. Shitty stadium, shitty facilities, shitty hood.

    Wisconsin is a player every year now for B1G honors. Been to the Rose Bowl more recently. Didn't they just beat USC in a bowl? Better league too.
    No program in America?

    image
    But great facilities. Was Rick a great coach when he won Rose Bowl and popped off?
    Was Larry Smith?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    Yez
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    My point is that there are plenty of other programs that are just as dependent (if not more) on a great coach as USC. Especially when you take into account the kind of success that USC demands. Maybe you can argue that their boosters have gone a bit soft, but not on the coaching thing.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    I'm right. I win
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    I'm right. I win

    Puppy?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
    The debate is over its settled science
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    Might as well not even play the debate game.
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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    dnc said:

    HuskyJW said:

    dnc said:

    Good gig for him. Not much spread in Integer cuntry. He might be able to parlay this into one more good DC gig before the world realizes he's a fraud.

    I don't know if he's a fraud.

    Not a very good DC though.
    Look at the list of jobs he's had. DC at Tennessee, Washington, USC and now Wisconsin. That's three programs anyone would be proud to have one their resume and one that we miss, dammit.

    I don't think his performance has merited another opportunity at a program of Wisky's caliber.
    Disagree. Here are his defense's FEI Ratings over the years (unfortunately these only go back to 2007, but we get most of his DC career, which started in '06):

    2007 Boise St: 61st
    2008 Boise St: 12th
    2009 Boise St: 11th
    2010 Tennessee: 57th
    2011 Tennessee: 32nd
    2012 Washington: 37th
    2013 Washington: 24th

    It's worth noting that Tennessee was 18th and 23rd in 2008 and 2009 with Monte Kiffin at the helm, so Wilcox did not improve that unit. But I wouldn't say he necessarily came in and had a negative impact either, as Kiffin was a legendary DC, and they lost Eric Berry and Dan Williams in the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft before Wilcox took over. A dropoff was probably pretty predictable given those circumstances.

    Of course, what's most impressive is the job he did at UW. We were 72nd and 103rd in the two years prior to Wilcox coming in, and he immediately turned our defense into one of the best in the conference. Kwiatkowski has since come in and taken our defense to another level, but I don't think that diminishes the fact that Wilcox was ultimately a success in his short two years here. USC is his only true dud of a stint, and he has absolutely earned another chance with a major program.
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  • MisterEm
    MisterEm Member Posts: 6,685
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    dnc said:

    HuskyJW said:

    dnc said:

    Good gig for him. Not much spread in Integer cuntry. He might be able to parlay this into one more good DC gig before the world realizes he's a fraud.

    I don't know if he's a fraud.

    Not a very good DC though.
    Look at the list of jobs he's had. DC at Tennessee, Washington, USC and now Wisconsin. That's three programs anyone would be proud to have one their resume and one that we miss, dammit.

    I don't think his performance has merited another opportunity at a program of Wisky's caliber.
    Disagree. Here are his defense's FEI Ratings over the years (unfortunately these only go back to 2007, but we get most of his DC career, which started in '06):

    2007 Boise St: 61st
    2008 Boise St: 12th
    2009 Boise St: 11th
    2010 Tennessee: 57th
    2011 Tennessee: 32nd
    2012 Washington: 37th
    2013 Washington: 24th

    It's worth noting that Tennessee was 18th and 23rd in 2008 and 2009 with Monte Kiffin at the helm, so Wilcox did not improve that unit. But I wouldn't say he necessarily came in and had a negative impact either, as Kiffin was a legendary DC, and they lost Eric Berry and Dan Williams in the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft before Wilcox took over. A dropoff was probably pretty predictable given those circumstances.

    Of course, what's most impressive is the job he did at UW. We were 72nd and 103rd in the two years prior to Wilcox coming in, and he immediately turned our defense into one of the best in the conference. Kwiatkowski has since come in and taken our defense to another level, but I don't think that diminishes the fact that Wilcox was ultimately a success in his short two years here. USC is his only true dud of a stint, and he has absolutely earned another chance with a major program.
    No.

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