No offense but....
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Mcgrew is awesome, so is Wattenberg, I like Gadd.... The rest, yeah.
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this gives me lifeCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Mcgrew is awesome, so is Wattenberg, I like Gadd.... The rest, yeah.
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How about we just admit we have no real clue.
People harped on Dissly, and it turned out he can play.
Ben Burr-Kirven was a punchline, until he looked like Pat Tillman as a freshman.
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Dissly can play? Where? The kid got passed by and now splitting time at TE going into his JR. year
Good chance he never starts at UW
Gadd was a reach
Chin and Fuller....need I say more?
Kizer is a slug he's years away from just a blocking TE
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
I Like Wattenburg the other kid is another reach
The D is stacked,well coached with more on the way
The weakness of this team is offense and they brought in nothing that helps them next year
Oh and they whiffed on Eason
Take a look at the pic of Chin with the Bush and Smiff and ask yourself if that kid and those two coaches are upper echelon power 5 players/coaches?
Pease was fired hopefully Pete shit cans Smiff after his 10-11 win D ends up with 8-9 wins next year and that's IF nobody gets hurt -
Dissly had one fucking goal line tackle in garbage time against fucking cal and he instantly became a doog legend. Not to say he can't still become really good he just hasn't done shit yet.
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You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
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And what's the problem?Baseman said:I like the current defensive commits - assuming they all sign and qualify. The recruits on the offensive side of the ball appear weak. No?
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I'm surprised at the amount of doogery here about our offensive class. It sucks dick. We have two players that anyone else wanted. Two.devildawg said:Dissly can play? Where? The kid got passed by and now splitting time at TE going into his JR. year
Good chance he never starts at UW
Gadd was a reach
Chin and Fuller....need I say more?
Kizer is a slug he's years away from just a blocking TE
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
I Like Wattenburg the other kid is another reach
The D is stacked,well coached with more on the way
The weakness of this team is offense and they brought in nothing that helps them next year
Oh and they whiffed on Eason
Take a look at the pic of Chin with the Bush and Smiff and ask yourself if that kid and those two coaches are upper echelon power 5 players/coaches?
Pease was fired hopefully Pete shit cans Smiff after his 10-11 win D ends up with 8-9 wins next year and that's IF nobody gets hurt
On defense, pretty much everyone was highly recruited.
So, not only does our offensive coaching suck, our offensive recruiting sucks.
My standards are Rose Bowls. Do we think this class is good enough to win a Rose Bowl on O? Fuck to the fuck no. -
This.Dennis_DeYoung said:
I'm surprised at the amount of doogery here about our offensive class. It sucks dick. We have two players that anyone else wanted. Two.devildawg said:Dissly can play? Where? The kid got passed by and now splitting time at TE going into his JR. year
Good chance he never starts at UW
Gadd was a reach
Chin and Fuller....need I say more?
Kizer is a slug he's years away from just a blocking TE
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
I Like Wattenburg the other kid is another reach
The D is stacked,well coached with more on the way
The weakness of this team is offense and they brought in nothing that helps them next year
Oh and they whiffed on Eason
Take a look at the pic of Chin with the Bush and Smiff and ask yourself if that kid and those two coaches are upper echelon power 5 players/coaches?
Pease was fired hopefully Pete shit cans Smiff after his 10-11 win D ends up with 8-9 wins next year and that's IF nobody gets hurt
On defense, pretty much everyone was highly recruited.
So, not only does our offensive coaching suck, our offensive recruiting sucks.
My standards are Rose Bowls. Do we think this class is good enough to win a Rose Bowl on O? Fuck to the fuck no. -
7-6NeGgaPlEaSe said:
And what's the problem?Baseman said:I like the current defensive commits - assuming they all sign and qualify. The recruits on the offensive side of the ball appear weak. No?
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I guess I missed the point were this years defensive recruiting affects last years recordBaseman said:
7-6NeGgaPlEaSe said:
And what's the problem?Baseman said:I like the current defensive commits - assuming they all sign and qualify. The recruits on the offensive side of the ball appear weak. No?
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No specific point - just wondering how this team ever climbs out of perpetual mediocrity.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
I guess I missed the point were this years defensive recruiting affects last years recordBaseman said:
7-6NeGgaPlEaSe said:
And what's the problem?Baseman said:I like the current defensive commits - assuming they all sign and qualify. The recruits on the offensive side of the ball appear weak. No?
4-5
On paper, this year's class looks like
Defense: 10+ wins
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Well, it's pretty clear which of our two coordinators is the better coach AND the better recruiter.
Kwiatkowski must look at babushka in coaches meetings and shake his head. -
Ha. I should have said he can play some. I just meant that by not being buried in the depth his first two years he exceeded expectations.devildawg said:Dissly can play? Where? The kid got passed by and now splitting time at TE going into his JR. year
Good chance he never starts at UW
My point, which you clearly missed, is that even the "extreme reaches" on the defensive side have been shown to be guys with some real ability. Not so on offense.
Clearly the defensive recruiting has been far better than on the offensive side of the ball.
But in terms of position groups, only WR stands out on the downside.
QB: B+
RB: B+
OL: B-
TE: C-
WR: F
It all blends to like a C overall, which is nowhere near the defensive side of the ball. Nor is it close to good enough.
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@AIRWOLF: TE will never get above a C when we only target them 2-3x a game. We chronically under-use them. They disappeared altogether under Willingham, and haven't been properly used ever since. Even ASJ was chronically underutilized.
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Doogs doogAIRWOLF said:
Ha. I should have said he can play some. I just meant that by not being buried in the depth his first two years he exceeded expectations.devildawg said:Dissly can play? Where? The kid got passed by and now splitting time at TE going into his JR. year
Good chance he never starts at UW
My point, which you clearly missed, is that even the "extreme reaches" on the defensive side have been shown to be guys with some real ability. Not so on offense.
Clearly the defensive recruiting has been far better than on the offensive side of the ball.
But in terms of position groups, only WR stands out on the downside.
QB: B
RB: B+
OL: C-
TE: C-
WR: F
It all blends to like a C overall, which is nowhere near the defensive side of the ball. Nor is it close to good enough.
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this gives me lifeCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Mcgrew is awesome, so is Wattenberg, I like Gadd.... The rest, yeah.
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Then apparently everyone chronically underutilized the TE.TurdBuffer said:@AIRWOLF: TE will never get above a C when we only target them 2-3x a game. We chronically under-use them. They disappeared altogether under Willingham, and haven't been properly used ever since. Even ASJ was chronically underutilized.
ASJ led the PAC in receptions for a TE in 2011, led the nation 2012, 2nd in PAC 2013 despite being a lazy POS.
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Yeah you can't say we underutilize the TE when the best one in the nation (OJ Howard) had less than 400 yards receiving and 0 TDs before the title game. He basically won Bama that game when they got him the ball.FremontTroll said:
Then apparently everyone chronically underutilized the TE.TurdBuffer said:@AIRWOLF: TE will never get above a C when we only target them 2-3x a game. We chronically under-use them. They disappeared altogether under Willingham, and haven't been properly used ever since. Even ASJ was chronically underutilized.
ASJ led the PAC in receptions for a TE in 2011, led the nation 2012, 2nd in PAC 2013 despite being a lazy POS.
Perkins led the PAC in receiving yards for a TE this year while Daniels was 6th. -
NEsnake12 said:
Yeah you can't say we underutilize the TE when the best one in the nation (OJ Howard) had less than 400 yards receiving and 0 TDs before the title game. He basically won Bama that game when they got him the ball.FremontTroll said:
Then apparently everyone chronically underutilized the TE.TurdBuffer said:@AIRWOLF: TE will never get above a C when we only target them 2-3x a game. We chronically under-use them. They disappeared altogether under Willingham, and haven't been properly used ever since. Even ASJ was chronically underutilized.
ASJ led the PAC in receptions for a TE in 2011, led the nation 2012, 2nd in PAC 2013 despite being a lazy POS.
Perkins led the PAC in receiving yards for a TE this year while Daniels was 6th.
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GreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
I watched the kid play all summer in the 7-7 tournamentsGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
I talked to the kid while he watched our Wa team play in Vegas..he was very interested in watching Eason throw the ball! Like I Said he's going to be a weapon but hes 5-6 160lbs he's not a feature tailback...at least not the next few years.I just don't see a big enough frame for the kid to carry more than 180-185lbs which is fine just not at tailback
They needed to pick up a top flight ball carrier in this class IMO
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Is this your clever way of saying you watched almost 50 seconds of Mcgrews tape?devildawg said:GreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
I watched the kid play all summer in the 7-7 tournamentsGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
I talked to the kid while he watched our Wa team play in Vegas..he was very interested in watching Eason throw the ball! Like I Said he's going to be a weapon but hes 5-6 160lbs he's not a feature tailback...at least not the next few years.I just don't see a big enough frame for the kid to carry more than 180-185lbs which is fine just not at tailback
They needed to pick up a top flight ball carrier in this class IMO -
LOL.devildawg said:GreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fightGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
I watched the kid play all summer in the 7-7 tournamentsGreenRiverGatorz said:
You clearly haven't watched more than 5 seconds of McGrew's tape.devildawg said:
Mcgrew is Chico 2.0 nice role guy who will have a few higlight reel plays but not a feature tailback...if he was he wouldn't have gotten out of So Cal without a fight
I talked to the kid while he watched our Wa team play in Vegas..he was very interested in watching Eason throw the ball! Like I Said he's going to be a weapon but hes 5-6 160lbs he's not a feature tailback...at least not the next few years.I just don't see a big enough frame for the kid to carry more than 180-185lbs which is fine just not at tailback
They needed to pick up a top flight ball carrier in this class IMO
GreenRiverGatorz you've obviously never heard of the devildawg. This is his MO:
1. Trash UW recruits and coaches with poorly reasoned and emotional arguments.
2. When rebutted with facts appeal to his own authority as a high school assistant coach and vague stories about recent recruiting happenings
3. Refuse to actually put his name behind his assertions despite the fact that he just cited to his supposed connections and inside knowledge in an attempt to bolster his weak argument.
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Napoleon Kaufman was 5-7 and like 150 pounds as a high school senior. He rushed for over 1,000 yards his sophomore year at 135 pounds. He played at 180 pounds in the NFL so that weight is, in fact, fine for a tailback. McGrew is going to be a stud.
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I agree with @devildawg that McGrew is a fucking midget, but so what? There have been lots of good college backs who were midgets.
However, if you think we 'needed' someone better this year after getting Gaskin last year you are a fucking idiot. But if he claims to be a HS asst coach, we already knew he was a fucking idiot.
I don't know when people are going to get this through their fucking stupid heads, but coaches are fucking morons and emotionally unstable pussies.
There are like 10% of coaches that have any brain at all and most of them are so sensitive to criticism they make my ex-wife look like Patton. -
Agree Dennis!
Lotta coaches are fucking idiots! I've always chuckled with the Trolls obsession over my supposed "insider" status or my claim of superior knowledge becuase I coach high school football?
Self employed business owner who donates my time for free to help out coaching 15-18 year old stoners....nothing fucking glamoures about it.
Mcgrew is a midget he's also fast,with great feet he's going to make some plays I just don't think it will be with 15-20 carries a game at tailback and don't bring up Nip that's just retarded he was a once a decade back and one of the best high school players in the country! Mcgrew just a little guy who slipped out of LA becuase both schools have stacks of guys with his speed that all stand over 6 ft
Now if UW joins a 7-7 conferecne look out! Between Mcgrew and the smurf crew WRs and Smiffs ability to dial up 60 passes a game we just might break .500
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Stop citing to your position and connections in every argument as if it makes you an expert and I will end my "obsession."devildawg said:Agree Dennis!
Lotta coaches are fucking idiots! I've always chuckled with the Trolls obsession over my supposed "insider" status or my claim of superior knowledge becuase I coach high school football?
Self employed business owner who donates my time for free to help out coaching 15-18 year old stoners....nothing fucking glamoures about it.
Mcgrew is a midget he's also fast,with great feet he's going to make some plays I just don't think it will be with 15-20 carries a game at tailback and don't bring up Nip that's just retarded he was a once a decade back and one of the best high school players in the country! Mcgrew just a little guy who slipped out of LA becuase both schools have stacks of guys with his speed that all stand over 6 ft
Now if UW joins a 7-7 conferecne look out! Between Mcgrew and the smurf crew WRs and Smiffs ability to dial up 60 passes a game we just might break .500 -
When Petersen talks about the defense he uses words and phrases like effort, being physical, playing hard... His quotes on offense are mostly about scheme, philosophy, details...
It's always been kind of irritatingFuck guys, it's just so irritating. Most of the players on defense are dawgs with feces in their throats. They play with emotion and fire. Most of the players on offense are nice kids.
Thankfully, the offense should be a lot better. I was encouraged by the end of the year. It's still a concern though. I still remember the pass happy bullshit and when even the doogliest doogs on this board wanted Smith fired.
I'm a fan of McGrew and think he will be good, but you can't guarantee a guy 5'6" 160 can play RB because Napolean Kaufman and Jaquizz Rodgers were also small. There aren't many good RB's that small. McGrew's speed and lateral quickness are incredible, but he's going to need to be properly utilized and he might not be a RB. -
I'm still in lipo mode on his size. Darren Sproles is probably a better comparison for El Blanco, and look what he did in college:RoadDawg55 said:When Petersen talks about the defense he uses words and phrases like effort, being physical, playing hard... His quotes on offense are mostly about scheme, philosophy, details...
It's always been kind of irritatingFuck guys, it's just so irritating. Most of the players on defense are dawgs with feces in their throats. They play with emotion and fire. Most of the players on offense are nice kids.
Thankfully, the offense should be a lot better. I was encouraged by the end of the year. It's still a concern though. I still remember the pass happy bullshit and when even the doogliest doogs on this board wanted Smith fired.
I'm a fan of McGrew and think he will be good, but you can't guarantee a guy 5'6" 160 can play RB because Napolean Kaufman and Jaquizz Rodgers were also small. There aren't many good RB's that small. McGrew's speed and lateral quickness are incredible, but he's going to need to be properly utilized and he might not be a RB.
Collegiate statistics
Year Team Games Attempts Yards YPA TDs Long
2001 Kansas State 6 28 210 7.5 1 38
2002 Kansas State 13 237 1,465 6.2 17 80
2003 Kansas State 15 306 1,986 6.5 16 73
2004 Kansas State 11 244 1,318 5.4 11 74
Career 45 815 4,979 6.1 45 80
Not saying he will--don't twist--but if he has the quickness and speed then I can't see why he wouldn't be able to take 150-225 carries by the time he's a junior. -
What the fuck are you arguing troll? I said Mcgrew is a little dude! I've stood right next to the kid are you arguing that he's big? There is no argument here it's just a conversation that you want to turn into an argument...your name suits you troll! Really just ignore my post or shut the fuck up!FremontTroll said:
Stop citing to your position and connections in every argument as if it makes you an expert and I will end my "obsession."devildawg said:Agree Dennis!
Lotta coaches are fucking idiots! I've always chuckled with the Trolls obsession over my supposed "insider" status or my claim of superior knowledge becuase I coach high school football?
Self employed business owner who donates my time for free to help out coaching 15-18 year old stoners....nothing fucking glamoures about it.
Mcgrew is a midget he's also fast,with great feet he's going to make some plays I just don't think it will be with 15-20 carries a game at tailback and don't bring up Nip that's just retarded he was a once a decade back and one of the best high school players in the country! Mcgrew just a little guy who slipped out of LA becuase both schools have stacks of guys with his speed that all stand over 6 ft
Now if UW joins a 7-7 conferecne look out! Between Mcgrew and the smurf crew WRs and Smiffs ability to dial up 60 passes a game we just might break .500
Told ha before PM me! At this point I'd love to see you after practice come on out troll wtf?
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