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I still think your premise is wrong. Before this season it would have been close to a clean sweep for Wilson. And while Newton has undoubtedly shown some things this year he's never shown before, Wilson's made significant strides too. Has Newton's 16 game sample against the weakest schedule in the league pushed him ahead of somebody that was far ahead of him coming into the year and had a great year in his own right?Baseman said:
Yes the other 30 GM's. Also the thread topic is BUY OR SELL . Excluding SEA and CAR, the rest of the GM's around the league "buy" Newton.dnc said:
I just ASSumed he meant the other 30 GM's. Pretty obvious Schneider's taking Russell. If he meant all 32 GM's, W. JW.doogsinparadise said:
*32.Baseman said:Hard not to love Russ but If you polled all 30 NFL GMs to a man they'd choose Newton.
If the Hawks win this weekend I'm going with little Russ
Ask the 32 NFL head coaches who they want with the ball on a last game drive with their team behind by less than a touchdown- most pick Wilson.
This weekend will go along way in answering the question: Can Newton deliver in a big game against the NFL's best defense? Can Wilson win on the road against the team with the best regular season record?
#winnerswin
I doubt it.
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The other thing is to extrapolate into the future. 10 years from now who had the best career. I don't think it is even a question that Wilson is head and shoulders above so far. His O line is every bit as bad as Luck's. That's why mobility matters.
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If you are saying for ten years, then you have to consider who's unique skills are more likely to erode. For both guys it's really their ability to extend and make big plays as a result.
I would say that Wilson's lateral quickness is his defining unique skill and ability to make defenders miss will erode at worse rate than Newtons strength or straight line speed. It doesn't seem like Wilson breaks tackles, he simply avoids them.
The model for Newtons long term career is Roethlesberger, even as his athleticism erodes he will still have the raw physique to shed pass rushers and extend plays because he simply won't be able to be brought down easily.
Not sure what Wilsons escapability will look like at age 34 or so, but I imagine that it's at its retire high point now.
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That was my reasoning as wellBob_C said:If you are saying for ten years, then you have to consider who's unique skills are more likely to erode. For both guys it's really their ability to extend and make big plays as a result.
I would say that Wilson's lateral quickness is his defining unique skill and ability to make defenders miss will erode at worse rate than Newtons strength or straight line speed. It doesn't seem like Wilson breaks tackles, he simply avoids them.
The model for Newtons long term career is Roethlesberger, even as his athleticism erodes he will still have the raw physique to shed pass rushers and extend plays because he simply won't be able to be brought down easily.
Not sure what Wilsons escapability will look like at age 34 or so, but I imagine that it's at its retire high point now.
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The year Cam was drafted number 1 was the year that Luck went back to college. Before Luck stupidly went back to college it was a foregone conclusion that Harbaugh was going to go to Carolina and would draft Luck. That decision has directly shaped a ton of teams for many years. Denver drafted Von Miller at #2 that year, they likely would have chosen Newton at 2, which keeps Manning out of Denver. Indy then either keeps Manning because they can't draft Luck the next year or instead drafts RG3 and so on.
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Wow! No one else here thought of that!GrundleStiltzkin said:#Obligatory
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Wow, I am shocked a message board full of dickheads. Talk that shit to my face and see how funny it is assholes.PurpleBaze said:
Wow! No one else here thought of that!GrundleStiltzkin said:#Obligatory
BTW - 3.9 GPA already scored enough on the ACT as a 9th grader to be eligible. o all you dickheads, yes you know who you are, STFU. -
I don't see Wilson's quickness dropping lower than say an Aaron Rodgers level, who's now 32 and still appears to have the mobility to avoid pressure and make plays. And even so, Wilson strikes me as the kind of guy who wouldn't allow something like diminished agility to define what he can accomplish as a QB.Bob_C said:If you are saying for ten years, then you have to consider who's unique skills are more likely to erode. For both guys it's really their ability to extend and make big plays as a result.
I would say that Wilson's lateral quickness is his defining unique skill and ability to make defenders miss will erode at worse rate than Newtons strength or straight line speed. It doesn't seem like Wilson breaks tackles, he simply avoids them.
The model for Newtons long term career is Roethlesberger, even as his athleticism erodes he will still have the raw physique to shed pass rushers and extend plays because he simply won't be able to be brought down easily.
Not sure what Wilsons escapability will look like at age 34 or so, but I imagine that it's at its retire high point now.
So based on all of this I would say Newton is the better play 10 years from now.
Agree about Cam.
Both will likely require personnel and scheme changes when their athleticism suffers a tangible dropoff.
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As already noted, this is why the fact that Wilson has shown the ability to win without having to use his legs is so important. Cam hasn't shown that. And I guess we'll just disagree about whose skills erode faster. I still think the type of hits Cam seeks out are going to do more damage to him. Ben's a decent example (though he never ran nearly as much as Cam does), but he's only played all 16 games three tims in his career and he was banged up basically all season this year. He's tough as nails but his body's falling apart on him thanks to all those shots. And again, he's taken far less of them than Cam has.Bob_C said:If you are saying for ten years, then you have to consider who's unique skills are more likely to erode. For both guys it's really their ability to extend and make big plays as a result.
I would say that Wilson's lateral quickness is his defining unique skill and ability to make defenders miss will erode at worse rate than Newtons strength or straight line speed. It doesn't seem like Wilson breaks tackles, he simply avoids them.
The model for Newtons long term career is Roethlesberger, even as his athleticism erodes he will still have the raw physique to shed pass rushers and extend plays because he simply won't be able to be brought down easily.
Not sure what Wilsons escapability will look like at age 34 or so, but I imagine that it's at its retire high point now.
So based on all of this I would say Newton is the better play 10 years from now.
I don't think Cam will age well at all.
A lot of it depends on how much stock you put into Cam's season. If you think he's really made the leap and is a new player from who he has been I can see why you'd be optimistic. If you think this year is a massive outlier in a career where he's never had a 2:1 TD:INT ratio before this season and that just so happens to correspond with the easiest SOS in the league, you're more skeptical. I'm obviously in group B and expect a pretty significant regression next season.
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Agree with most of your post, but I think Cam will age fine. He's huge, he has a rifle, he has the charisma, I think he's a winner. He will probably be good until he has to retire. I'm still going with Russ though.dnc said:
As already noted, this is why the fact that Wilson has shown the ability to win without having to use his legs is so important. Cam hasn't shown that. And I guess we'll just disagree about whose skills erode faster. I still think the type of hits Cam seeks out are going to do more damage to him. Ben's a decent example (though he never ran nearly as much as Cam does), but he's only played all 16 games three tims in his career and he was banged up basically all season this year. He's tough as nails but his body's falling apart on him thanks to all those shots. And again, he's taken far less of them than Cam has.Bob_C said:If you are saying for ten years, then you have to consider who's unique skills are more likely to erode. For both guys it's really their ability to extend and make big plays as a result.
I would say that Wilson's lateral quickness is his defining unique skill and ability to make defenders miss will erode at worse rate than Newtons strength or straight line speed. It doesn't seem like Wilson breaks tackles, he simply avoids them.
The model for Newtons long term career is Roethlesberger, even as his athleticism erodes he will still have the raw physique to shed pass rushers and extend plays because he simply won't be able to be brought down easily.
Not sure what Wilsons escapability will look like at age 34 or so, but I imagine that it's at its retire high point now.
So based on all of this I would say Newton is the better play 10 years from now.
I don't think Cam will age well at all.
A lot of it depends on how much stock you put into Cam's season. If you think he's really made the leap and is a new player from who he has been I can see why you'd be optimistic. If you think this year is a massive outlier in a career where he's never had a 2:1 TD:INT ratio before this season and that just so happens to correspond with the easiest SOS in the league, you're more skeptical. I'm obviously in group B and expect a pretty significant regression next season.
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This isn't surprising as most NFL franchises are fucking losersBaseman said:Hard not to love Russ but If you polled all 30 NFL GMs to a man they'd choose Newton.
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I would be honored to have my son date Russsection_332 said:Bigger debate
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Not me. Id never let my daughter date a high paid ball player whose already shown he requires a prenupRaceBannon said:
I would be honored to have my son date Russsection_332 said:Bigger debate
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I'd take Wilson but it's close. Both are awesome. However, Cam has been in the league longer than Wilson and only has one playoff win in his career (against Ryan Lindley). Cam's passing stats will always be worse than Wilson's, but his rushing ability is unlike any other QB I've ever seen in the NFL.
That said, I think Cam's season was an outlier. He played a freakishly easy schedule and got to play against maybe the worst defense in NFL history (the Saints) twice. -
Anyone still buying Cam after his legendary performance last night?
