Shades of Sark
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Clean up the special teams a little and Clumpson wins. There was no excuse for that.
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@RaceBannon - I feel like an ass-hat defending Dabo because... I'M NOT A BIG DABO GUY... but... Rick took over TUFF Lambo players and made them enjoy football. Then when he got players that JUST wanted to enjoy football, we were UCLA with Washington athletes.
In Dabo's case he's built it up 'the right way' by taking over for Tommy BowdSark and slowly changing the culture.
Of course at a school like Clemson, one or two special players are going to make a huge difference. It's not a blue-blood school. A guy like Deshaun is a special player, but the whole team has good players and generally plays really well.
I think Clemson is basically 1 recruiting class away from having the kind of depth that you need to sustain the kind of injuries they've had.
Clemson's #1 and #3 WRs were out for that game and their 2 best players on D were either hobbled or out.
I think if you took Deshaun and put him on a team like Michigan you would see a very, very similar result; Oregon, etc...
Anyway, I take your point, but I don't think Dabo is just riding on Deshaun; as in, I don't think it's a Chizik situation or Neu situation where, once this guy's gone the whole fucking thing is over. I just think that naturally when you have the best QB in the history of your school (at one of these 2nd tier schools), the play will dip following that, until you get another guy just as good. -
Didn't Dabo beat urban in the orange bowl without deshaun. Too lazy to look.
Not the biggest Dabo fan because of his demeanor, but he built a legit top 10 program.
He is far from anything related to sark. And he is not saban. Bfd.
Done as much if not more than harbaugh in his college career who this board likes to place in high regard.
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Talent wise, Clemson is becoming a modern day blue blood. They have been had a lot of talent for awhile. And successful. This is their fifth year in a row winning 10+ games. No doubt that Deshaun is a special player, but they were good before him. They beat Ohio State in the Orange Bowl.Dennis_DeYoung said:@RaceBannon - I feel like an ass-hat defending Dabo because... I'M NOT A BIG DABO GUY... but... Rick took over TUFF Lambo players and made them enjoy football. Then when he got players that JUST wanted to enjoy football, we were UCLA with Washington athletes.
In Dabo's case he's built it up 'the right way' by taking over for Tommy BowdSark and slowly changing the culture.
Of course at a school like Clemson, one or two special players are going to make a huge difference. It's not a blue-blood school. A guy like Deshaun is a special player, but the whole team has good players and generally plays really well.
I think Clemson is basically 1 recruiting class away from having the kind of depth that you need to sustain the kind of injuries they've had.
Clemson's #1 and #3 WRs were out for that game and their 2 best players on D were either hobbled or out.
I think if you took Deshaun and put him on a team like Michigan you would see a very, very similar result; Oregon, etc...
Anyway, I take your point, but I don't think Dabo is just riding on Deshaun; as in, I don't think it's a Chizik situation or Neu situation where, once this guy's gone the whole fucking thing is over. I just think that naturally when you have the best QB in the history of your school (at one of these 2nd tier schools), the play will dip following that, until you get another guy just as good.
In general, he's a really good coach running a good program. I would love to think our coach kind of sucked, but we were going 13-1. -
Arguing that Clemson is a 'modern day blue blood' is crazy IMO. Talented yes, but no more so than Mississippi.RoadDawg55 said:
Talent wise, Clemson is becoming a modern day blue blood. They have been had a lot of talent for awhile. And successful. This is their fifth year in a row winning 10+ games. No doubt that Deshaun is a special player, but they were good before him. They beat Ohio State in the Orange Bowl.Dennis_DeYoung said:@RaceBannon - I feel like an ass-hat defending Dabo because... I'M NOT A BIG DABO GUY... but... Rick took over TUFF Lambo players and made them enjoy football. Then when he got players that JUST wanted to enjoy football, we were UCLA with Washington athletes.
In Dabo's case he's built it up 'the right way' by taking over for Tommy BowdSark and slowly changing the culture.
Of course at a school like Clemson, one or two special players are going to make a huge difference. It's not a blue-blood school. A guy like Deshaun is a special player, but the whole team has good players and generally plays really well.
I think Clemson is basically 1 recruiting class away from having the kind of depth that you need to sustain the kind of injuries they've had.
Clemson's #1 and #3 WRs were out for that game and their 2 best players on D were either hobbled or out.
I think if you took Deshaun and put him on a team like Michigan you would see a very, very similar result; Oregon, etc...
Anyway, I take your point, but I don't think Dabo is just riding on Deshaun; as in, I don't think it's a Chizik situation or Neu situation where, once this guy's gone the whole fucking thing is over. I just think that naturally when you have the best QB in the history of your school (at one of these 2nd tier schools), the play will dip following that, until you get another guy just as good.
In general, he's a really good coach running a good program. I would love to think our coach kind of sucked, but we were going 13-1.
Coaching matters. Players are talented, for sure, but nothing close to 'true' blue blood status like USC, Ohio State, Bama...
Miami in its heyday was a 'modern blue blood'. Clemson is not close to that talent wise. -
Speaking of talent, some players from Clemson last few years:
CJ Spillner
Sammy Watkins
DeAndre Hopkins
Martavis Bryant
DeQuan Bowers
Stephon Anthony
All have made a pro bowl.
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The crazy thing is, that team lost its entire front seven from last year.section_332 said:Speaking of talent, some players from Clemson last few years:
CJ Spillner
Sammy Watkins
DeAndre Hopkins
Martavis Bryant
DeQuan Bowers
Stephon Anthony
All have made a pro bowl. -
Vic Beasley was on that squad too.Dennis_DeYoung said:
The crazy thing is, that team lost its entire front seven from last year.section_332 said:Speaking of talent, some players from Clemson last few years:
CJ Spillner
Sammy Watkins
DeAndre Hopkins
Martavis Bryant
DeQuan Bowers
Stephon Anthony
All have made a pro bowl. -
Which means they should be at least two years away from being specialDennis_DeYoung said:
The crazy thing is, that team lost its entire front seven from last year.section_332 said:Speaking of talent, some players from Clemson last few years:
CJ Spillner
Sammy Watkins
DeAndre Hopkins
Martavis Bryant
DeQuan Bowers
Stephon Anthony
All have made a pro bowl.
Yes, I said that to myself when I heard that last night -
You think Clemson's roster is 16 points of Saban better than Bama's roster?RoadDawg55 said:
No, shades of Sark because Dabo was the sole reason Clemson lost. The game reminded me of when Sark lost to Stanford. The sole reason Clemson lost was discipline. If Saban and him switched rosters he would have lost by 21.dnc said:Shades of Sark? Sark hardly ever lost close, when Sark lost he got destroyed. Shades of Peterman maybe.
Clemson played a damn good game. Perhaps you're just bitter because you decided Bama was shit once they lost to Ole Miss? That was nothing like a Sark game.
Never once in my life said Bama was shit. I've always said they were good. I didn't think Coker could lead them to a title, but he stepped up. Pretty big difference from saying they were shit. I've said Ole Miss is shit because they are.
Holy crap.
