Concerns over WR recruiting
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Yeah, if JRoss and String were here, we would have a top-tier group. In '16, we might have a great group anyway.HeretoBeatmyChest said:I like our WR's & TE's. Sorry to keep mentioning it but you add a String to that group and it would be championship quality. Thats a huge caveat but thats all we are missing, a big legit #1 WR.
John Ross- If he returns healthy in 2016, he's an all-league guy
Jaydon Mickens- Quietly picked up his game the last 4 games of the year. 21 catches for 286 and 2 TD's plus 2 TD's on reverses. I think he can be Honorable Mention All-Pac12 this year. He will mitigate the loss of Ross which I think is biggest on kick returns.
Dante Pettis- Flashed like Dennis said. 16 catches for 200 yards the last 6 games. Thats 400 yards over a full season. Will get 500-600 this season if he gets the touches. Is going to be a solid player who gets better and better.
Brayden Lenius- See the article below. Has great bloodlines. 6'5 217. Has physical tools and good hands. Get this guy roided out while keeping his speed and he could develop into a #1 WR.
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/23714790/grandson-has-the-potential-drive-to-create-nfl-legacy-that-dickey-was-denied
Moving onto the TE's
Josh Perkins- Only played last 8 games of the year...25 grabs for 315 yards and 3 TDs. Was a good safety target last year. Does he get passed by better guys?
Darrell Daniels- Really want to see him breakout this year more than any other player. Can't believe they wasted his redshirt. As far as big play potential, he's #2 behind Ross. He has the ability to turn catches into big gains.
Drew Sample & David Ajamu- I know they played well in Spring and can block.
Overall this could be a top notch group in 2016 if Ross is back to self, Daniels develops and so does Lenius. Ross-Pettis-Lenius, Daniels at TE. Plus you have the guys to do 2 or 3 TE sets.
As far as WR recruiting I hope we can find a 6'3 or 6'4 type guy. Too many smurfs. But as others have said, WR isnt very important and its easy to replace guys. I like the near future at WR & TE.
I don't like Fuller, but this is all just dm.c level griping. -
At worst its an adequate group this year. Has a chance to be really good next year even without a String. Lenius will get better. If he can get a lot better he could develop into that #1 type.
And @Dennis_DeYoung you are right on Sankey. He had a few awesome runs in 2011 and it was obvious he was going to be very good. It took him half of 2012 and then he consistently was putting up +100 most games.
Dwayne Washington is similar in that we can see he has the potential as he's flashed it more than a handful of times. He never will be as good as Sankey but if he can figure some things out he will be a lot more consistent and be a good back. -
I'm not criticizing I just have questions. Some say concerns some say questions. Can CP adjust to playing with the big boys? It's a question.Dennis_DeYoung said:Ugh, I'm going nuts so I just took that stuff out.
It's not major pressing: Pettis' punt returns were a serious part of why we did anything against Stanford.
Again: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I got in fights with so many morons saying the same thing about Sankey after his freshman year.
When he was on the field he looked good. What else do you want?
People said if he were better he would've clearly wrested the backup RB position from Callier.
This doogy crap always has the flavor of uninformed/random skepticism.
For whatever reason Callier had one decent fly sweep and people thought he was good. I spent he whole year saying Sankey was much better and people would make the same arguments "he choked at Neb" "it was two runs!" Whatever.
Pettis and Lenius looked good to me. You can say they didn't look good, but you can't say them failing to dominate in the Pac-12 is evidence of anything.
Sankey didn't even win the starting RB job in camp! Saying 'the coaches know' and taking who plays as a rule about who is good is foolish.
Pettis and Lenius both flashed in limited time. That's all you can ask.
I swear to god, when I revisited this topic re: Sankey during '13 they were all saying "we were just saying he hadn't DONE anything yet."
Uh, that's not an opinion, that's a statement of fact. Using it is as justified skepticism that someone won't do anything in the future is like saying, "well Jimmy hasn't learned how to read and he's had 5 years on the earth..."
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Kind of ironic that the one guy we're missing is the guy we see everywhere.HeretoBeatmyChest said:I like our WR's & TE's. Sorry to keep mentioning it but you add a String to that group and it would be championship quality. Thats a huge caveat but thats all we are missing, a big legit #1 WR.
John Ross- If he returns healthy in 2016, he's an all-league guy
Jaydon Mickens- Quietly picked up his game the last 4 games of the year. 21 catches for 286 and 2 TD's plus 2 TD's on reverses. I think he can be Honorable Mention All-Pac12 this year. He will mitigate the loss of Ross which I think is biggest on kick returns.
Dante Pettis- Flashed like Dennis said. 16 catches for 200 yards the last 6 games. Thats 400 yards over a full season. Will get 500-600 this season if he gets the touches. Is going to be a solid player who gets better and better.
Brayden Lenius- See the article below. Has great bloodlines. 6'5 217. Has physical tools and good hands. Get this guy roided out while keeping his speed and he could develop into a #1 WR.
http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/gregg-doyel/23714790/grandson-has-the-potential-drive-to-create-nfl-legacy-that-dickey-was-denied
Moving onto the TE's
Josh Perkins- Only played last 8 games of the year...25 grabs for 315 yards and 3 TDs. Was a good safety target last year. Does he get passed by better guys?
Darrell Daniels- Really want to see him breakout this year more than any other player. Can't believe they wasted his redshirt. As far as big play potential, he's #2 behind Ross. He has the ability to turn catches into big gains.
Drew Sample & David Ajamu- I know they played well in Spring and can block.
Overall this could be a top notch group in 2016 if Ross is back to self, Daniels develops and so does Lenius. Ross-Pettis-Lenius, Daniels at TE. Plus you have the guys to do 2 or 3 TE sets.
As far as WR recruiting I hope we can find a 6'3 or 6'4 type guy. Too many smurfs. But as others have said, WR isnt very important and its easy to replace guys. I like the near future at WR & TE. -
Pettis has 3 punt returns for 6 yards against Stanford.Dennis_DeYoung said:Ugh, I'm going nuts so I just took that stuff out.
It's not major pressing: Pettis' punt returns were a serious part of why we did anything against Stanford.
Again: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I got in fights with so many morons saying the same thing about Sankey after his freshman year.
When he was on the field he looked good. What else do you want?
People said if he were better he would've clearly wrested the backup RB position from Callier.
This doogy crap always has the flavor of uninformed/random skepticism.
For whatever reason Callier had one decent fly sweep and people thought he was good. I spent he whole year saying Sankey was much better and people would make the same arguments "he choked at Neb" "it was two runs!" Whatever.
Pettis and Lenius looked good to me. You can say they didn't look good, but you can't say them failing to dominate in the Pac-12 is evidence of anything.
Sankey didn't even win the starting RB job in camp! Saying 'the coaches know' and taking who plays as a rule about who is good is foolish.
Pettis and Lenius both flashed in limited time. That's all you can ask.
I swear to god, when I revisited this topic re: Sankey during '13 they were all saying "we were just saying he hadn't DONE anything yet."
Uh, that's not an opinion, that's a statement of fact. Using it is as justified skepticism that someone won't do anything in the future is like saying, "well Jimmy hasn't learned how to read and he's had 5 years on the earth..."
It's just totally ignorant of the natural course of development.
Look, all I'm saying is that no one has proven themselves yet. I'm saying that absence of evidence is in fact, absence of evidence, not evidence that they'll be the next Bishop Sankey. But, hey, don't let that stop you from anointing them All Pac-12 for 2015. -
Lots of hypotehticals going on here.
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I get a little stiff when @Dennis_DeYoung gets this fired up.
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@CialisDawg, true?!11?Swaye said:I get a little stiff when @Dennis_DeYoung gets this fired up.
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Flashforward 6 months and we still suck at WR recruiting -
@HeretoBeatmyChest you still like our WRs? Lenius developing into a #1?
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Fuck you, cokerCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Lenius, for me, is my breakout pick for this season. He looked terrific in the 3 practices I saw him in during the spring. I expect some really good things from him this season.
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Fuck Dennis for questioning my hatred of lenius.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Did you see UW football games last year?AtomicDawg said:
When did lenius look good? Maybe he will turn out to be good. But he was nothing last year. Looking at his bio last year he had 7 catches for 56 yards. Half of his yards were on one catch vs ucla.Dennis_DeYoung said:Uh, Renfro and McClatcher were 4-star kids, Pettis had a good year for a true frosh and has been mentioned as a possible All Pac-12 candidate this year. Lenius chose us over Miami and looked really good in limited time last year.
What the F do people want?
Look, I think Fuller sucks, I think Little sucks, I think Andre B. is likely to suck and Pounds makes me yawn... but give it a rest.
If there are ever topics that overlap here and at doogman the poaster should be banned for a week.
Wr recruiting is the least of my worries too. But pettis so far is the only young one on the team worth a damn. -
Quoting yourself, then telling yourself to fuckoff for that quote...good stuff right there.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Fuck you, cokerCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Lenius, for me, is my breakout pick for this season. He looked terrific in the 3 practices I saw him in during the spring. I expect some really good things from him this season.
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It's the honorable way to go. The Hardcore Husky Hari Kari.HuskyInAZ said:
Quoting yourself, then telling yourself to fuckoff for that quote...good stuff right there.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Fuck you, cokerCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Lenius, for me, is my breakout pick for this season. He looked terrific in the 3 practices I saw him in during the spring. I expect some really good things from him this season.
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The alternative is to delete the poast, disavow ever making it, and then act like a condescending prick to anyone who questions you about it.Doogles said:
It's the honorable way to go. The Hardcore Husky Hari Kari.HuskyInAZ said:
Quoting yourself, then telling yourself to fuckoff for that quote...good stuff right there.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
Fuck you, cokerCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Lenius, for me, is my breakout pick for this season. He looked terrific in the 3 practices I saw him in during the spring. I expect some really good things from him this season.
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Many WR dreams were shattered this year. @Dennis_DeYoung is still picking up the pieces.
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FIFYSwaye said:Many
WR dreamsTVs were shattered this year. @Dennis_DeYoung is still picking up the pieces. -
So many bump-worthy poasts in this thread, but I'm too lazy to pick just 10, so I'll just sit here in the media room having big belly laughs instead.
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Lenius has firmly made himself a hhb doog legend in this thread alone.
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I'm never poasting again.
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The WR obsession on this board is weird. It's still one of the least, if not the least important position group. Of course we should want better WR's, but they really weren't the problem this year. And if you believe they were, the real problem was poor development. None of the WR's got noticeably better from last year despite better QB play, which is a good reason for Pease getting axed.
Clemson has their worst WR corps in years and they are in the title game. Alabama's #2 option was Oregon State's #2-3. 2000 UW. The Seahawks.. You get the point. Once we started emphasizing the run the last few games, actually starting the game featuring Gaskin and giving him 25-30 carries instead of 18, the WR's were fine. -
I think the WR core improves next year simply by the addition of John Ross and the subtractions of Jaydon Mickens and Marvin Hall. However, thats not saying much as we had the worst receiving core in the Pac 12 this past year. It was bad.
Lenius was a major disappointment. He disappeared the majority of the season. On paper he checks off all the boxes yet his production has been anemic and his blocking a major liability. We can't chalk it up as a sophomore slump because he didn't do anything his freshman year. Approaching myth status. Possible transfer to East Vancouver Community College.
Pettis has been more consistent at receiver and gives us a solid punt returner. My biggest problem with him is lack of physicality in terms of yards after catch and blocking. Really needs to get bigger. Goes down instantly. Ideally I would like to see him in the slot.
Pounds and Baccellia are dead weight midgets. Not sure what Petersen and Pease were thinking when they brought these guys in. Both have a high probability of transferring. I actually think Renfro could develop into a productive player - he flashed a bit as a true freshman and he can play on the outside. But overall last year's WR class was a disaster and that's on Petersen.
If Darrell Daniels can take the next step and replace Josh Perkins' production it should help to mitigate the dependance on our wideouts. Connor Griffin is another guy I'm keeping my eye on. Very athletic and tall. I liked what I saw in the bowl game. Daniels and Griffin should receive lots of opportunities in the middle of the field with Ross and Pettis clearing things out. Chico might develop more into our slot guy with the departure of Mickens.
Until Washington starts to get double digit wins we're not going to be stealing LA receiver talent from the likes of Notre Dame, Michigan, USC etc. It's not happening so I don't see why people are upset when we lose out on Mckinley, Crawford, Vaughns etc. Petersen is going to have to develop and get the most out of what he's got. -
It's weird that you think it's weird. First, southern miss only stayed in the game because of their WRs.RoadDawg55 said:The WR obsession on this board is weird. It's still one of the least, if not the least important position group. Of course we should want better WR's, but they really weren't the problem this year. And if you believe they were, the real problem was poor development. None of the WR's got noticeably better from last year despite better QB play, which is a good reason for Pease getting axed.
Clemson has their worst WR corps in years and they are in the title game. Alabama's #2 option was Oregon State's #2-3. 2000 UW. The Seahawks.. You get the point. Once we started emphasizing the run the last few games, actually starting the game featuring Gaskin and giving him 25-30 carries instead of 18, the WR's were fine.
Second, if we had Clemson's talent at other positions, I doubt WR would get as much attention here. But we don't.
Right now we have nobody (perhaps John Ross) that can take the lid off the defense and consistently get separation. As a result, Browning's throwing windows are much tighter. -
Agree for the most part but our wr's can't even block adequately too often. Scheme can get you open but you can't drop the fucking ball.RoadDawg55 said:The WR obsession on this board is weird. It's still one of the least, if not the least important position group. Of course we should want better WR's, but they really weren't the problem this year. And if you believe they were, the real problem was poor development. None of the WR's got noticeably better from last year despite better QB play, which is a good reason for Pease getting axed.
Clemson has their worst WR corps in years and they are in the title game. Alabama's #2 option was Oregon State's #2-3. 2000 UW. The Seahawks.. You get the point. Once we started emphasizing the run the last few games, actually starting the game featuring Gaskin and giving him 25-30 carries instead of 18, the WR's were fine.
Summary....
Just don't screw up the position and if you get a playmaker that's a plus.
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Least important doesn't mean unimportant. The Seahawks receivers might not be elite but they make the plays they're asked to make (three in the top ten in catch rate including two in the top 5) and they're willing blockers, too. Alabama has had Julius Jones (h/t to sachiko for the edit: Julio, dammit) and Amari Cooper during their run, I doubt Saban agrees that receivers don't matter.RoadDawg55 said:The WR obsession on this board is weird. It's still one of the least, if not the least important position group. Of course we should want better WR's, but they really weren't the problem this year. And if you believe they were, the real problem was poor development. None of the WR's got noticeably better from last year despite better QB play, which is a good reason for Pease getting axed.
Clemson has their worst WR corps in years and they are in the title game. Alabama's #2 option was Oregon State's #2-3. 2000 UW. The Seahawks.. You get the point. Once we started emphasizing the run the last few games, actually starting the game featuring Gaskin and giving him 25-30 carries instead of 18, the WR's were fine.
UW doesn't win the 91 title without Super Mario.
I don't think this bored is obsessed with WR's, if anything I think this bored has overcorrected on WR's because Sark attracted 4 star wideouts like ISIS attracts homocidal psychopaths. "Sark thought receivers were most important, therefore they don't matter at all."
They aren't everything, but they do matter. UW isn't going to make the leap to a playoff caliber team unless they either do a better job of recruiting receivers or a better job of developing them. Or probably abundance. -
Losses last year...
Boise: The whole offense didn't do shit. OL and the running game were really bad. Hard to single out the WR's for anything.
Cal: I doubt even the most ardent Petersen supporter could keep a straight face and say Petersen wasn't to blame for this loss. Browning was terrible yet we were pass heavy despite being able to run it down Cal's throat. Dwayne Washington lost what would have been a huge play in the sun and had a costly fumble. Otoh, the only thing that kept UW in the game was a fumble returned for a TD.
Oregon: It's been debated by this board, but Gaskin should have gotten more carries. We went pass happy to try and exploit a terrible Oregon secondary and got away from what we did well, which was give Gaskin the rock. Cooper, not a WR, dropped a TD that would have made a difference.
Stanford: They were better than us in every phase and Carta-Samuels started at QB.
Utah: Dwayne Washington's fumbles and bullshit penalites were a way bigger reason for the loss than the WR's.d
ASU: The WR's absolutely sucked in this game and you can make the case they cost the game. I couldn't believe some of the passes that were dropped. I'm still pissed about the run pass ratio in this game. I'm cautiously optimistic that will never happen again. The actions in the last three games seemed to show that the coaches knew that wasn't acceptable.
I want better WR's. They would obviously help. We already have plenty of talent though. We have the best defense in the conference, a rapidly developing young OL that should become one of the best in the conference, a great RB, and a promising young QB that played a lot better late in the year. -
Julius Jones? Is that Julio's younger brother?
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Orlando McKay is often over looked but he stretched defenses big time on that 91 team. We also had at least two great tight ends that could block and catch and probably chew gum as well.dnc said:
Least important doesn't mean unimportant. The Seahawks receivers might not be elite but they make the plays they're asked to make (three in the top ten in catch rate including two in the top 5) and they're willing blockers, too. Alabama has had Julius Jones (h/t to sachiko for the edit: Julio, dammit) and Amari Cooper during their run, I doubt Saban agrees that receivers don't matter.RoadDawg55 said:The WR obsession on this board is weird. It's still one of the least, if not the least important position group. Of course we should want better WR's, but they really weren't the problem this year. And if you believe they were, the real problem was poor development. None of the WR's got noticeably better from last year despite better QB play, which is a good reason for Pease getting axed.
Clemson has their worst WR corps in years and they are in the title game. Alabama's #2 option was Oregon State's #2-3. 2000 UW. The Seahawks.. You get the point. Once we started emphasizing the run the last few games, actually starting the game featuring Gaskin and giving him 25-30 carries instead of 18, the WR's were fine.
UW doesn't win the 91 title without Super Mario.
I don't think this bored is obsessed with WR's, if anything I think this bored has overcorrected on WR's because Sark attracted 4 star wideouts like ISIS attracts homocidal psychopaths. "Sark thought receivers were most important, therefore they don't matter at all."
They aren't everything, but they do matter. UW isn't going to make the leap to a playoff caliber team unless they either do a better job of recruiting receivers or a better job of developing them. Or probably abundance.
McKay and Mario were small and over looked but could actually play the game. to me, Mario not winning the Heisman is the biggest gripe ever in that category for the Huskies. It was a field devoid of an obvious superstar and Mario was the best player on the best team -
You think Mario was better than Stan Empterman??RaceBannon said:
Orlando McKay is often over looked but he stretched defenses big time on that 91 team. We also had at least two great tight ends that could block and catch and probably chew gum as well.dnc said:
Least important doesn't mean unimportant. The Seahawks receivers might not be elite but they make the plays they're asked to make (three in the top ten in catch rate including two in the top 5) and they're willing blockers, too. Alabama has had Julius Jones (h/t to sachiko for the edit: Julio, dammit) and Amari Cooper during their run, I doubt Saban agrees that receivers don't matter.RoadDawg55 said:The WR obsession on this board is weird. It's still one of the least, if not the least important position group. Of course we should want better WR's, but they really weren't the problem this year. And if you believe they were, the real problem was poor development. None of the WR's got noticeably better from last year despite better QB play, which is a good reason for Pease getting axed.
Clemson has their worst WR corps in years and they are in the title game. Alabama's #2 option was Oregon State's #2-3. 2000 UW. The Seahawks.. You get the point. Once we started emphasizing the run the last few games, actually starting the game featuring Gaskin and giving him 25-30 carries instead of 18, the WR's were fine.
UW doesn't win the 91 title without Super Mario.
I don't think this bored is obsessed with WR's, if anything I think this bored has overcorrected on WR's because Sark attracted 4 star wideouts like ISIS attracts homocidal psychopaths. "Sark thought receivers were most important, therefore they don't matter at all."
They aren't everything, but they do matter. UW isn't going to make the leap to a playoff caliber team unless they either do a better job of recruiting receivers or a better job of developing them. Or probably abundance.
McKay and Mario were small and over looked but could actually play the game. to me, Mario not winning the Heisman is the biggest gripe ever in that category for the Huskies. It was a field devoid of an obvious superstar and Mario was the best player on the best team
