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  • HuskyInAZ
    HuskyInAZ Member Posts: 1,732

    Maybe it's because I'm a contrarian in nature, but that one didn't hurt. It would've had it been a Rose Bowl or a Fiesta Bowl. But no one is going to remember the 2016 Alamo Freeze Bowl Winner 10 years from now.

    Right now, I'm more curious about what Phuckup can do. No one is going to be VAJ when it comes to the deep ball. But a better running QB coupled with Freeman and a healthy Tyner along with an even weaker Pac 12 isn't a bad consolation prize. Assuming someone learns to snap the ball.

    Contrarian? More like a fool. Biggest meltdown in bowel history, played early enough that everyone could watch ... not good.

    Next year, you'll again have loads of talent and experience at the skill positions, but you lose 3 OL starters and 6/7 of the front 7 on defense. All hat, no cowboy?

    And hanging that hat on a "better running QB" who has yet to play in a FBS game shows just how much Kool-aid you have chugged. He may very well be as effective as VAJ, but I doubt it. Then again, he may get blown up early in the year and you'll be riding the Lockie train again.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 26,113 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2016
    According to my Montana St superiority guy, Prukop or whatever is a downgrade from Adams. We already know Lockie isn't a Pac 12 quarterback.

    Get ready Duckies....Autism Stadium is gonna be half full soon. You'll be able to get a $4 ticket with a Whopper value meal pretty soon. :D
  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,703 Founders Club
    edited January 2016
    Black DCs only get the most downtrodden of defense gigs
  • IPukeOregonGrellow
    IPukeOregonGrellow Member Posts: 2,183
    HuskyInAZ said:



    Contrarian? More like a fool. Biggest meltdown in bowel history, played early enough that everyone could watch ... not good.

    If it had been a Rose Bowl or Adams hadn't gone down, maybe I'd care. With Locknie, meh. Everyone already knew he wasn't a real QB.
    HuskyInAZ said:


    Next year, you'll again have loads of talent and experience at the skill positions, but you lose 3 OL starters and 6/7 of the front 7 on defense. All hat, no cowboy?

    IMHO, there's five people graduating that matter. Six, if Carrington turns pro.

    1. Deforest Buckner, whom you can't replace.
    2. Tyler Johnstone, whom you can't replace a little less than Buckner because he's not a top-10 pick and George has looked better in his limited time than Jelks or Kamentule.
    3. VAJ, who was a great glimpse into what would've happened if Manziel came to Oregon, but also wasn't a perfect fit for what Oregon does since he didn't run the zone-read well.
    4. Hegarty, who was a pretty average center. But at the very least he could get the snap off.
    5. Baldacci, who was a pretty average nose tackle who played heady ball and is a perfect analogy for what's going to happen to the Oregon defensive next year. You'll see better size and athleticism across the board, but the tradeoff will be a little less intelligence. It might work for the better. It might not.

    As for QB play, in the Oregon system to create space you need a QB who is enough of a threat to run that you need to commit a defender to stopping it or who throws a good enough deep ball to push the safeties out of the box. Locknie does none of the above. Mariota and Dixon did both. Adams did the later, but not the former. Ditto Thomas. Masoli did the first one, but his Lockner-like arm made him not so good at the second. Ditto Bryan Bennett. My guess is this is where Phuckup fits. He throws an okay ball but where he beats you is with his feet. Waller/Jonsen strikes me as the same type if he wins the competition. I doubt Mahalak, Allie or Locknie rate much at this point other than in the field goal holder role.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,773
    I love it when AZDuck wants to kill himself following an Oregon loss.
  • bananasnblondes
    bananasnblondes Member Posts: 15,576

    HuskyInAZ said:



    Contrarian? More like a fool. Biggest meltdown in bowel history, played early enough that everyone could watch ... not good.

    If it had been a Rose Bowl or Adams hadn't gone down, maybe I'd care. With Locknie, meh. Everyone already knew he wasn't a real QB.
    HuskyInAZ said:


    Next year, you'll again have loads of talent and experience at the skill positions, but you lose 3 OL starters and 6/7 of the front 7 on defense. All hat, no cowboy?

    IMHO, there's five people graduating that matter. Six, if Carrington turns pro.

    1. Deforest Buckner, whom you can't replace.
    2. Tyler Johnstone, whom you can't replace a little less than Buckner because he's not a top-10 pick and George has looked better in his limited time than Jelks or Kamentule.
    3. VAJ, who was a great glimpse into what would've happened if Manziel came to Oregon, but also wasn't a perfect fit for what Oregon does since he didn't run the zone-read well.
    4. Hegarty, who was a pretty average center. But at the very least he could get the snap off.
    5. Baldacci, who was a pretty average nose tackle who played heady ball and is a perfect analogy for what's going to happen to the Oregon defensive next year. You'll see better size and athleticism across the board, but the tradeoff will be a little less intelligence. It might work for the better. It might not.

    As for QB play, in the Oregon system to create space you need a QB who is enough of a threat to run that you need to commit a defender to stopping it or who throws a good enough deep ball to push the safeties out of the box. Locknie does none of the above. Mariota and Dixon did both. Adams did the later, but not the former. Ditto Thomas. Masoli did the first one, but his Lockner-like arm made him not so good at the second. Ditto Bryan Bennett. My guess is this is where Phuckup fits. He throws an okay ball but where he beats you is with his feet. Waller/Jonsen strikes me as the same type if he wins the competition. I doubt Mahalak, Allie or Locknie rate much at this point other than in the field goal holder role.
    TL,DR: Things couldnt be better in Eugene. The guys who are leaving were just temporary placeholders for the athletes coming in. Natty next year.
  • IPukeOregonGrellow
    IPukeOregonGrellow Member Posts: 2,183
    I wouldn't say it that way. I'd sum it up that Oregon has five players on its current roster who will be drafted in the first five rounds of the NFL draft, two of whom are seniors, two are true sophmores and one of them is Carrington who could stay or go. It's not going to take much to find the next Tyson Coleman or Matt Pierson. And that's the reason why people who say Oregon (or Stanford) is about to fall off a cliff are generally wrong about it.
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,794 Founders Club

    I wouldn't say it that way. I'd sum it up that Oregon has five players on its current roster who will be drafted in the first five rounds of the NFL draft, two of whom are seniors, two are true sophmores and one of them is Carrington who could stay or go. It's not going to take much to find the next Tyson Coleman or Matt Pierson. And that's the reason why people who say Oregon (or Stanford) is about to fall off a cliff are generally wrong about it.

    Oregon already did fall off and Stanford won the Rose Bowl. The longer Helfrich is retained, the steeper the climb back up becomes. He'll stutter to 8-5 next year and set up the implosion of all implosions in 2017.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,495 Founders Club
    I don't understand how Oregon got completely dependent on a midget. At halftime Oregon looked as good as ever including defense. I was going to abandon the game but decided to see if TCU had a miracle in them. Glad I stayed. #WhyIStayed

    UW should have won this year.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,223
    I jumped on a work conference call this morning and while the meeting was getting set up a Duck was in the office and as soon as he heard that I was on the line started dropping F bombs and flipping the phone off ...

    But the game didn't matter to Duck fans ... or so I'm hearing.