That sucked
Mentioned something in the game thread (during the 2nd Q after VA went down but apres le deluge) that I have seen this before.
Spent my childhood in SE Texas as a fan of the erstwhile Houston Oilers (fuck you, Bud Adams, rot in hell) and I watched the game against Buffalo where Houston gave up a 31-point lead to let Buffalo win in OT.
That has now happened twice to me as a fan, of two different teams in two totally different leagues and parts of the country. Owen12 might be preferable.
Best comment on 247 was this: "You just witnessed the opposite of The Pick. This loss could be the end of Oregon football as we have gotten used to if things are not handled properly, and difficult decisions are not made."
More rumint on that bored to the effect that the AD, Uncle Phil, and Helfrich had a little pow-wow after the game.
We'll see.
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If this is the opposite of The Pick, I'd gladly rewatch this game on HuskyTron at every home gameAZDuck said:After the inevitable failure of the Oregon offense under Jeff Lockie, I literally grabbed the leash and went for a walk with my daWg along the lake to get some perspective.
Mentioned something in the game thread (during the 2nd Q after VA went down but apres le deluge) that I have seen this before.
Spent my childhood in SE Texas as a fan of the erstwhile Houston Oilers (fuck you, Bud Adams, rot in hell) and I watched the game against Buffalo where Houston gave up a 31-point lead to let Buffalo win in OT.
That has now happened twice to me as a fan, of two different teams in two totally different leagues and parts of the country. Owen12 might be preferable.
Best comment on 247 was this: "You just witnessed the opposite of The Pick. This loss could be the end of Oregon football as we have gotten used to if things are not handled properly, and difficult decisions are not made."
More rumint on that bored to the effect that the AD, Uncle Phil, and Helfrich had a little pow-wow after the game.
We'll see. -
Good, we (?) were about to send @DHHSDawg out to your place on a welfare check.
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That would be doogtastic.whatshouldicareabout said:
If this is the opposite of The Pick, I'd gladly rewatch this game on HuskyTron at every home gameAZDuck said:After the inevitable failure of the Oregon offense under Jeff Lockie, I literally grabbed the leash and went for a walk with my daWg along the lake to get some perspective.
Mentioned something in the game thread (during the 2nd Q after VA went down but apres le deluge) that I have seen this before.
Spent my childhood in SE Texas as a fan of the erstwhile Houston Oilers (fuck you, Bud Adams, rot in hell) and I watched the game against Buffalo where Houston gave up a 31-point lead to let Buffalo win in OT.
That has now happened twice to me as a fan, of two different teams in two totally different leagues and parts of the country. Owen12 might be preferable.
Best comment on 247 was this: "You just witnessed the opposite of The Pick. This loss could be the end of Oregon football as we have gotten used to if things are not handled properly, and difficult decisions are not made."
More rumint on that bored to the effect that the AD, Uncle Phil, and Helfrich had a little pow-wow after the game.
We'll see.
More information that has been floating around: Frost was responsible for QB recruiting and was the QB coach, right now the only "true" QB coach on staff is Helfrich himself and the GA Nate Costa (who is a former UO QB). Talk *was* that Costa would get promoted to full-time QB coach after the bowel game. Now, not so much.
Now, all bets are off, most people are calling for Pellum's head and many are calling for Helfrich's - revisiting the firing of Glen Mason at Minnesota after they blew a 31-point lead to Texas Tech a few years back.
On the plus side, some Quook poasted "Let's not forget where we came from and where we are" bullshit screed on 247 and got pasted with downvotes and numerous comments telling him what a fucktard loser he is.
So, the fanbase isn't completely fucked up.
We're at a crossroads, for sure. Oregon loves their staff continuity, but the problems with player development at key positions (C, QB, ILB to name a few) are indicative of rot within the program. At a time when Oregon has arguably the best backfield (when healthy) in CFB, it is especially galling to be unable to score more than 3 points, even without VA.
I'm as or more pissed about the issues at C than I am with the QB problems. Steve Greatwood has been and remains on staff. Why the fuck we didn't have a C or a backup C ready to go blows me away. Lockie might have had a chance to manage the game if he wasn't picking every single fucking snap up off the turf. Hell, just the one where he actually completed a nice throw to Carrington for a TD probably would have sealed the game, except he needed to kneel down to get the errant snap.
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i can't tell y'all how proud i am of my boy Pellum.
he took a bunch of lowly regarded players and held a wildly talented TCU squad to zero first half points. that is coaching.
the guy makes lemonade out of lemons every time he put's on a headset.
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Did Costa tear his ACL after hearing the news?AZDuck said:
That would be doogtastic.whatshouldicareabout said:
If this is the opposite of The Pick, I'd gladly rewatch this game on HuskyTron at every home gameAZDuck said:After the inevitable failure of the Oregon offense under Jeff Lockie, I literally grabbed the leash and went for a walk with my daWg along the lake to get some perspective.
Mentioned something in the game thread (during the 2nd Q after VA went down but apres le deluge) that I have seen this before.
Spent my childhood in SE Texas as a fan of the erstwhile Houston Oilers (fuck you, Bud Adams, rot in hell) and I watched the game against Buffalo where Houston gave up a 31-point lead to let Buffalo win in OT.
That has now happened twice to me as a fan, of two different teams in two totally different leagues and parts of the country. Owen12 might be preferable.
Best comment on 247 was this: "You just witnessed the opposite of The Pick. This loss could be the end of Oregon football as we have gotten used to if things are not handled properly, and difficult decisions are not made."
More rumint on that bored to the effect that the AD, Uncle Phil, and Helfrich had a little pow-wow after the game.
We'll see.
More information that has been floating around: Frost was responsible for QB recruiting and was the QB coach, right now the only "true" QB coach on staff is Helfrich himself and the GA Nate Costa (who is a former UO QB). Talk *was* that Costa would get promoted to full-time QB coach after the bowel game. Now, not so much.
Now, all bets are off, most people are calling for Pellum's head and many are calling for Helfrich's - revisiting the firing of Glen Mason at Minnesota after they blew a 31-point lead to Texas Tech a few years back.
On the plus side, some Quook poasted "Let's not forget where we came from and where we are" bullshit screed on 247 and got pasted with downvotes and numerous comments telling him what a fucktard loser he is.
So, the fanbase isn't completely fucked up.
We're at a crossroads, for sure. Oregon loves their staff continuity, but the problems with player development at key positions (C, QB, ILB to name a few) are indicative of rot within the program. At a time when Oregon has arguably the best backfield (when healthy) in CFB, it is especially galling to be unable to score more than 3 points, even without VA.
I'm as or more pissed about the issues at C than I am with the QB problems. Steve Greatwood has been and remains on staff. Why the fuck we didn't have a C or a backup C ready to go blows me away. Lockie might have had a chance to manage the game if he wasn't picking every single fucking snap up off the turf. Hell, just the one where he actually completed a nice throw to Carrington for a TD probably would have sealed the game, except he needed to kneel down to get the errant snap. -
More rumint on that bored to the effect that the AD, Uncle Phil, and Helfrich had a little pow-wow after the game.
Uncle Phil was probably letting Helfrich know they were exercising the clause in his contract that would move him to OC now that Chip has failed in the NFL.
The bad news, he won't be keeping his head coach salary.
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Your lips to God's ears...topdawgnc said:More rumint on that bored to the effect that the AD, Uncle Phil, and Helfrich had a little pow-wow after the game.
Uncle Phil was probably letting Helfrich know they were exercising the clause in his contract that would move him to OC now that Chip has failed in the NFL.
The bad news, he won't be keeping his head coach salary.
Chip to be announced tomorrow. -
I think this is a best case scenario from a UW perspective.
The Ducks got mauled, but with that nine wins will save his job for at least a year and probably two.
If you can't kick their ass next year, quit Petersen. You know Woody and his 11/9 women's to men's sports ratio won't fire you (in 10 years there will probably be six transgender teams). -
Maybe it's because I'm a contrarian in nature, but that one didn't hurt. It would've had it been a Rose Bowl or a Fiesta Bowl. But no one is going to remember the 2016 Alamo Freeze Bowl Winner 10 years from now.
Right now, I'm more curious about what Phuckup can do. No one is going to be VAJ when it comes to the deep ball. But a better running QB coupled with Freeman and a healthy Tyner along with an even weaker Pac 12 isn't a bad consolation prize. Assuming someone learns to snap the ball. -
Helfrich's contract is public....link to the clause? He would be owed over $14 million if fired. Lucky SOBtopdawgnc said:More rumint on that bored to the effect that the AD, Uncle Phil, and Helfrich had a little pow-wow after the game.
Uncle Phil was probably letting Helfrich know they were exercising the clause in his contract that would move him to OC now that Chip has failed in the NFL.
The bad news, he won't be keeping his head coach salary.
Chip to be announced tomorrow.
https://hkm.com/football/wp-content/uploads/coach-contracts/markhelfrich-uo-employment-contract.pdf -
Contrarian? More like a fool. Biggest meltdown in bowel history, played early enough that everyone could watch ... not good.IPukeOregonGrellow said:Maybe it's because I'm a contrarian in nature, but that one didn't hurt. It would've had it been a Rose Bowl or a Fiesta Bowl. But no one is going to remember the 2016 Alamo Freeze Bowl Winner 10 years from now.
Right now, I'm more curious about what Phuckup can do. No one is going to be VAJ when it comes to the deep ball. But a better running QB coupled with Freeman and a healthy Tyner along with an even weaker Pac 12 isn't a bad consolation prize. Assuming someone learns to snap the ball.
Next year, you'll again have loads of talent and experience at the skill positions, but you lose 3 OL starters and 6/7 of the front 7 on defense. All hat, no cowboy?
And hanging that hat on a "better running QB" who has yet to play in a FBS game shows just how much Kool-aid you have chugged. He may very well be as effective as VAJ, but I doubt it. Then again, he may get blown up early in the year and you'll be riding the Lockie train again. -
According to my Montana St superiority guy, Prukop or whatever is a downgrade from Adams. We already know Lockie isn't a Pac 12 quarterback.
Get ready Duckies....Autism Stadium is gonna be half full soon. You'll be able to get a $4 ticket with a Whopper value meal pretty soon.
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Black DCs only get the most downtrodden of defense gigs
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If it had been a Rose Bowl or Adams hadn't gone down, maybe I'd care. With Locknie, meh. Everyone already knew he wasn't a real QB.HuskyInAZ said:
Contrarian? More like a fool. Biggest meltdown in bowel history, played early enough that everyone could watch ... not good.
IMHO, there's five people graduating that matter. Six, if Carrington turns pro.HuskyInAZ said:
Next year, you'll again have loads of talent and experience at the skill positions, but you lose 3 OL starters and 6/7 of the front 7 on defense. All hat, no cowboy?
1. Deforest Buckner, whom you can't replace.
2. Tyler Johnstone, whom you can't replace a little less than Buckner because he's not a top-10 pick and George has looked better in his limited time than Jelks or Kamentule.
3. VAJ, who was a great glimpse into what would've happened if Manziel came to Oregon, but also wasn't a perfect fit for what Oregon does since he didn't run the zone-read well.
4. Hegarty, who was a pretty average center. But at the very least he could get the snap off.
5. Baldacci, who was a pretty average nose tackle who played heady ball and is a perfect analogy for what's going to happen to the Oregon defensive next year. You'll see better size and athleticism across the board, but the tradeoff will be a little less intelligence. It might work for the better. It might not.
As for QB play, in the Oregon system to create space you need a QB who is enough of a threat to run that you need to commit a defender to stopping it or who throws a good enough deep ball to push the safeties out of the box. Locknie does none of the above. Mariota and Dixon did both. Adams did the later, but not the former. Ditto Thomas. Masoli did the first one, but his Lockner-like arm made him not so good at the second. Ditto Bryan Bennett. My guess is this is where Phuckup fits. He throws an okay ball but where he beats you is with his feet. Waller/Jonsen strikes me as the same type if he wins the competition. I doubt Mahalak, Allie or Locknie rate much at this point other than in the field goal holder role. -
I love it when AZDuck wants to kill himself following an Oregon loss.
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TL,DR: Things couldnt be better in Eugene. The guys who are leaving were just temporary placeholders for the athletes coming in. Natty next year.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
If it had been a Rose Bowl or Adams hadn't gone down, maybe I'd care. With Locknie, meh. Everyone already knew he wasn't a real QB.HuskyInAZ said:
Contrarian? More like a fool. Biggest meltdown in bowel history, played early enough that everyone could watch ... not good.
IMHO, there's five people graduating that matter. Six, if Carrington turns pro.HuskyInAZ said:
Next year, you'll again have loads of talent and experience at the skill positions, but you lose 3 OL starters and 6/7 of the front 7 on defense. All hat, no cowboy?
1. Deforest Buckner, whom you can't replace.
2. Tyler Johnstone, whom you can't replace a little less than Buckner because he's not a top-10 pick and George has looked better in his limited time than Jelks or Kamentule.
3. VAJ, who was a great glimpse into what would've happened if Manziel came to Oregon, but also wasn't a perfect fit for what Oregon does since he didn't run the zone-read well.
4. Hegarty, who was a pretty average center. But at the very least he could get the snap off.
5. Baldacci, who was a pretty average nose tackle who played heady ball and is a perfect analogy for what's going to happen to the Oregon defensive next year. You'll see better size and athleticism across the board, but the tradeoff will be a little less intelligence. It might work for the better. It might not.
As for QB play, in the Oregon system to create space you need a QB who is enough of a threat to run that you need to commit a defender to stopping it or who throws a good enough deep ball to push the safeties out of the box. Locknie does none of the above. Mariota and Dixon did both. Adams did the later, but not the former. Ditto Thomas. Masoli did the first one, but his Lockner-like arm made him not so good at the second. Ditto Bryan Bennett. My guess is this is where Phuckup fits. He throws an okay ball but where he beats you is with his feet. Waller/Jonsen strikes me as the same type if he wins the competition. I doubt Mahalak, Allie or Locknie rate much at this point other than in the field goal holder role. -
I wouldn't say it that way. I'd sum it up that Oregon has five players on its current roster who will be drafted in the first five rounds of the NFL draft, two of whom are seniors, two are true sophmores and one of them is Carrington who could stay or go. It's not going to take much to find the next Tyson Coleman or Matt Pierson. And that's the reason why people who say Oregon (or Stanford) is about to fall off a cliff are generally wrong about it.
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Oregon already did fall off and Stanford won the Rose Bowl. The longer Helfrich is retained, the steeper the climb back up becomes. He'll stutter to 8-5 next year and set up the implosion of all implosions in 2017.IPukeOregonGrellow said:I wouldn't say it that way. I'd sum it up that Oregon has five players on its current roster who will be drafted in the first five rounds of the NFL draft, two of whom are seniors, two are true sophmores and one of them is Carrington who could stay or go. It's not going to take much to find the next Tyson Coleman or Matt Pierson. And that's the reason why people who say Oregon (or Stanford) is about to fall off a cliff are generally wrong about it.
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I don't understand how Oregon got completely dependent on a midget. At halftime Oregon looked as good as ever including defense. I was going to abandon the game but decided to see if TCU had a miracle in them. Glad I stayed. #WhyIStayed
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I jumped on a work conference call this morning and while the meeting was getting set up a Duck was in the office and as soon as he heard that I was on the line started dropping F bombs and flipping the phone off ...
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SRS had Oregon #1 in offense and #118 on defense.
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This just in.....IPukeOregonGrellow said:I wouldn't say it that way. I'd sum it up that Oregon has five players on its current roster who will be drafted in the first five rounds of the NFL draft, two of whom are seniors, two are true sophmores and one of them is Carrington who could stay or go. It's not going to take much to find the next Tyson Coleman or Matt Pierson. And that's the reason why people who say Oregon (or Stanford) is about to fall off a cliff are generally wrong about it.
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Sounds about right. Don't need advanced stats to see that our (!) defense is garbageHeretoBeatmyChest said:SRS had Oregon #1 in offense and #118 on defense.
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AZDuck going through the stages here.... Tuff to watch.AZDuck said:
Sounds about right. Don't need advanced stats to see that our (!) defense is garbageHeretoBeatmyChest said:SRS had Oregon #1 in offense and #118 on defense.
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LOL, the SRS best offense in CFB buys Helf another year or two anyway, so I know I'm stuck with him. If the D is in the 30's or 40's we go to the playoff
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AZDuck said:
LOL, the SRS best offense in CFB buys Helf another year or two anyway, so I know I'm stuck with him. If the D is in the 30's or 40's we go to the playoff
It's Hard to see Oregon in the top 15 SRS next year though starting a QB that has yet to win an FBS game. It's also HARDER to see Oregon's D crack the top 50 in SRS next year.
Helf was lucky to have VAJ for the games that He did. However noone close to his level will be calling sigs back there next year. And unfortunately Helf's relative subpar recruiting may really show next year. As this year it appears to be 3 start lunch pails even -
Prukop is a better fit for Oregon's offensive style than Adams is. I think that he's going to be a good one, and Nicky Satan agrees with me. The backfield and WRs remain in place. Give Helfrich his due, offensive production has been good as long as the QB isn't Jeff Lockie. Hopefully the staff will have a better Plan B in case Prukop gets hurt.
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Adams was in a class by himself in the Big Sky, and at UofO. I've watched the Mt. State guy play, and he's decent, but no Adams in terms of elusiveness or downfield vision. Adams' sense of timing in the pocket was un-fucking believable.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:According to my Montana St superiority guy, Prukop or whatever is a downgrade from Adams. We already know Lockie isn't a Pac 12 quarterback.
Get ready Duckies....Autism Stadium is gonna be half full soon. You'll be able to get a $4 ticket with a Whopper value meal pretty soon. -
Cool story. What about the OL? You know, the guys that make the offense go. Losing 3/5 is gonna have an impact. And what about the defensive front 7? You know, they guys who need to stop the other guys. Losing 6/7 shirley can't help.AZDuck said:Prukop is a better fit for Oregon's offensive style than Adams is. I think that he's going to be a good one, and Nicky Satan agrees with me. The backfield and WRs remain in place. Give Helfrich his due, offensive production has been good as long as the QB isn't Jeff Lockie. Hopefully the staff will have a better Plan B in case Prukop gets hurt.
