Oregon better grab Chip Kelly right now, or else be Damned to Helfrich

pat_hm said:

Chip used Phil Knight and Oregon to build his resume and get an NFL job. It's that simple. He is never going back to hippy shit dump Eugene. Chip is an east coast guy. I don't see why people think Chip has some allegiance to Oregon. He doesn't. His goal was always to make it to the NFL and he's staying put there. Going back to the college level would signify failure and his professional legacy has yet to be written. Chip is trying to dick measure with Belichick, not Urban or Saban.

Indy is the top job simply due to Andrew Luck and Irsay will highly consider Chip after shit canning Chuck Strong and Grigson. Looks like Coughlin is going to retire as well which opens up the Giants job. Chip was a catastrophic failure as a GM but he can still coach and owners know that.

Miami and San Francisco are next then Tennessee. No one wants to coach Cleveland, not even Doug Marrone. I'm intrigued by NOLA because if Sean Payton moves on he would move ahead of Chip as the top head coach available.

I can't remember a better year to be a head coaching candidate and Chip is licking his chops. That is largely in part to the lack of competition. Who's next? Adam Gase? Hue Jackson? McDaniels? Harbaugh isn't leaving Michigan yet and I don't see any other college level coaches making the jump. Mora is a myth and can't even beat Stanford or Oregon. He was a disaster in Seattle and got lucky with Mike Vick running around in ATL. There is a reason so many underclassmen are leaving UCLA; his message is wearing thin in Westwood. Throwing your best player (Myles Jack) under the bus is always a good way to built team moral, right?

Helfich is a Coos Bay guy and even though he absolutely imploded last night you'd be surprised how many Oregon fans actually like him. Phil blew his load over the past 8 years and all they have to show for it is a couple 2nd place finishes, a Rose Bowl and a Fiesta over Kansas State. I'd kill for that as a Washington fan but Phil wanted a natty and he didn't get it. I think he going to cut his loses and is content with Helfich. Can't say he didn't try. He also looks like he's about to kick the bucket so I doubt he even cares. Moving on. Oregon has peaked and will slowly decend back to the Bellotti era Ducks.

*descend

Its one game, in a bowl Oregon didnt even want to be in. Oregon will be back in the bcs' s new years 6 next year, with a top 10 recruiting class. Get a grip.

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

Its one game, in a bowl Oregon didnt even want to be in. Oregon will be back in the bcs' s new years 6 next year, with a top 10 recruiting class. Get a grip.

Oregon didn't want to be there ...

HA

Passion said:

I like making an oregon opinion piece the lead story on a Husky football message bored. I like doing that kind of thing.

And then moving the main Duck fan's post to the other bored. I do that.

RoadDawg55 said:

I didn't watch the game, but fumbled snap must be the TCU's best player on defense.

He's a real rising star!

CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

Tequilla said:

1) Why warn Oregon about their impending "doom"

2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory

3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking



5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:

Drive #1:

1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards
2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards
3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards

Drive #2:

Fumbled Kickoff

Drive #3:

1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards
2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down
1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards
2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down
1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards
2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards
3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards

Drive #4:

1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards
2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards
3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

Drive #5:

1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
2nd Down: Lockie incomplete
3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

Drive #6:

Short drive to run out the clock

Drive #7, First Overtime:

1st Down: Freeman for 5 yards
2nd Down: Lockie for 1 yard
3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
4th Down: Lockie pass to Freeman for 17 yards
1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
2nd Down: Freeman for 1 yard, TD

Drive #8, Second Overtime:

1st Down: Lockie incomplete
2nd Down: Nelson for no gain
3rd Down: Lockie to Addison for -2 yards

Drive #9, Third Overtime:

1st Down: Lockie incomplete
2nd Down: Freeman for 8 yards
3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
4th Down: Lockie incomplete

By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.

Drives 4, 5, & 8 are the killers because Freeman either got 1 or 0 touches on those drives. Even your fucking stupid OC went away from the run following Oregon's FG in OT. Dude went full Sark mode and you're lucky TCU's kicker is good or else we'd be talking about how TCU almost pulled out a great come from behind victory.

Drive 8 Freeman took himself out wasn't in the game.

Not an OKG?

Tequilla said:

LaZoris said:

Lockie was 7/15 for 36 yards. Threw the ball 15 times... He should have maybe attempted 6 passes that 2nd half.

Disagree. A few of those throws were in situations where they had no choice to do so. Another handful of those throws were WR screens that were more or less running plays. They didn't make too many throws with Lockie where he wasn't either throwing a screen or checking it down to Freeman.

The problem is that when a team realizes that they don't have to respect the downfield passing game, they aren't putting 8 in the box, they are putting 9 in the box and it not only allows them to run blitz all of the running lanes, but also allows them to run a fire blitz right up the middle to blow up the QB just in case he does decide to do play action.

Let me make simple. Oregon is fucking horrib l e with Lockie because he is terrible. Oregon is really fucking good with Adams.

If Montana boy is good, Oregon will be good. If he's not Chip Kelly will be back in '17, if Haden doesnnt snatch him up 1st, when H e lton gets murdered by Alabama and goes 5-7.

TurdBuffer said:

Dakota Prukop, Mont. St. QB. 28 TDs, 10 ints. 2nd team All Conf in Big Sky. 3k plus yards in 11 games. Conf record: 3-5, overall 5-6. (9th place/13 teams.) Decent QB, good runner, but not elusive like VAJ, and unlike VAJ, never played a Pac12 team.
Ducks: This is your man in 2016.

He's white?!?

Tequilla said:

1) Why warn Oregon about their impending "doom"

2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory

3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking



5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:

Drive #1:

1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards
2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards
3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards

Drive #2:

Fumbled Kickoff

Drive #3:

1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards
2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down
1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards
2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down
1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards
2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards
3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards

Drive #4:

1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards
2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards
3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

Drive #5:

1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
2nd Down: Lockie incomplete
3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

Drive #6:

Short drive to run out the clock

Drive #7, First Overtime:

1st Down: Freeman for 5 yards
2nd Down: Lockie for 1 yard
3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
4th Down: Lockie pass to Freeman for 17 yards
1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
2nd Down: Freeman for 1 yard, TD

Drive #8, Second Overtime:

1st Down: Lockie incomplete
2nd Down: Nelson for no gain
3rd Down: Lockie to Addison for -2 yards

Drive #9, Third Overtime:

1st Down: Lockie incomplete
2nd Down: Freeman for 8 yards
3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
4th Down: Lockie incomplete

By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.

Did you read this before poasting it? Re-read, and look at the number you typed next to the name "Freeman" each time. "Freeman for 4, 6, 8, 6,4, 5, 8, ...."

The worst run was 1 yard a couple of times, one of those was a 1 yd. TD which doesn't matter. The rest showed a worst result of 4 fucking yards, 3 yards once I guess, eith of which is something I'll take every day.

Every other play that didn't go to Freeman, EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAY, something bad happened. The fucked up snaps were all from the shot gun.

Can you review this and re-make your point please?

Let me explain something to you and to Krisvashon and Oregondawg: Oregon's offense is not a gimmick and it's not finesse and it's not complicated. IT IS PREDICATED OFF OF THE RUN. When Oregon can run, and they often can, they almost always win unless their play caller inexplicably wants to do something else.

Their passing game is not sophisticated nor complicated nor does it require Dan Marino to run it. It is predicated off of the run.

If Brenner can't snap the fucking ball in the gun, AND HE CAN'T, don't make him do it while nursing a 31 point fucking lead. Brenner did that every time he had to play - but Vaj was able to handle it because he can buy more time in the pocket than Lockie. Line Lockie the fuck up under center, hand the ball off UNTIL THEY STACK THE BOX AND TAKE IT AWAY, and then you'll have open receivers that even Lockie can hit.

You talk about TCU like they are the second coming of my Canes from 1980s. They are not. TCU is not capable of stacking the box against Oregon to stop the run and shutting down Carrington and company all at the same time. At least not often enough to eat up a 31 point deficit. No way. I'm almost sure I could have coached Oregon to a win that night.

I don't really give a fuck, but I will say this without qualification: If Helfrich feeds Freeman, spelling him once in a while with another RB, and minimizes Lockie's role and makes it a little easier for the kid, TCU never gets back in that game.

That game was remarkable to me for one very simple reason: I've never seen a team blow a 31 pt. lead without the other team really cranking up their level of play. Make no mistake Senor Frog, TCU was ass crack average in the second half too. Oregon just sucked THAT bad in the second half and laid down like a French whore during the Nazi occupation.

Offense kept going out and the defense was on the field too long. Everyone knows Oregon's D can't be on the field too long. Even Buckner, who is a beast, wore down.