Oregon better grab Chip Kelly right now, or else be Damned to Helfrich

MikeSeaver · January 2016

PurpleJ said:
Chip is never coming back.

Correct.

Tequilla · January 2016

CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

Tequilla said:
1) Why warn Oregon about their impending "doom"

2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory

3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking

5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:

Drive #1:

1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards
2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards
3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards

Drive #2:

Fumbled Kickoff

Drive #3:

1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards
2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down
1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards
2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down
1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards
2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards
3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards

Drive #4:

1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards
2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards
3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

Drive #5:

1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
2nd Down: Lockie incomplete
3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

Drive #6:

Short drive to run out the clock

Drive #7, First Overtime:

1st Down: Freeman for 5 yards
2nd Down: Lockie for 1 yard
3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
4th Down: Lockie pass to Freeman for 17 yards
1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
2nd Down: Freeman for 1 yard, TD

Drive #8, Second Overtime:

1st Down: Lockie incomplete
2nd Down: Nelson for no gain
3rd Down: Lockie to Addison for -2 yards

Drive #9, Third Overtime:

1st Down: Lockie incomplete
2nd Down: Freeman for 8 yards
3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
4th Down: Lockie incomplete

By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.
But still.

I know right? Facts and reality don't matter ... ask @EdwinUW

LaZoris · January 2016

Lockie was 7/15 for 36 yards. Threw the ball 15 times... He should have maybe attempted 6 passes that 2nd half.

Tequilla · January 2016

LaZoris said:
Lockie was 7/15 for 36 yards. Threw the ball 15 times... He should have maybe attempted 6 passes that 2nd half.

Disagree. A few of those throws were in situations where they had no choice to do so. Another handful of those throws were WR screens that were more or less running plays. They didn't make too many throws with Lockie where he wasn't either throwing a screen or checking it down to Freeman.

The problem is that when a team realizes that they don't have to respect the downfield passing game, they aren't putting 8 in the box, they are putting 9 in the box and it not only allows them to run blitz all of the running lanes, but also allows them to run a fire blitz right up the middle to blow up the QB just in case he does decide to do play action.

Tequilla · January 2016

I know that this may be hard for some of you to understand given the perception that nobody plays defense in the Big 12, but Patterson's teams at TCU have almost always had high rated defenses nationally including being known as one of the most difficult teams to run against.

When you are faced with the proposition of being a one dimensional team and that one dimension is running the football, there are a lot of other teams you'd rather be playing than TCU ... even with all the injuries that TCU has had defensively this year.

TTJ · January 2016

LaZoris said:
Lockie was 7/15 for 36 yards. Threw the ball 15 times... He should have maybe attempted 6 passes that 2nd half.

Thank you. Tequilla's TLDR summary tells the story: Too much passing.

Regarding how the spread is played today (even without a 31-point head start), here's some dinosaur thinking for you:

Undermanned Baylor runs for bowl record against North Carolina

Johnny Jefferson rushed for 299 of Baylor's bowl-record 645 rushing yards against North Carolina.
Dec 30, 2015
Adam Rittenberg
ESPN Staff Writer

Art Briles is a wizard in long sleeves. There's no other explanation for what he did Tuesday night.

The Baylor coach evidently doesn't need his top two quarterbacks (Seth Russell and Jarrett Stidham). Or his top running back (Shock Linwood). Or the nation's best wide receiver (Corey Coleman). Or his starting right tackle (Pat Colbert). Briles can work with just about any personnel group on offense. A depleted depth chart that would put many offensive coaches in the fetal position became a new challenge for Briles leading up to the Russell Athletic Bowl against No. 10 North Carolina. He delivered one of the more creative game plans in recent memory, as No. 17 Baylor, the nation's No. 19 pass offense, transformed into a rushing machine.

The Bears steamrolled North Carolina 49-38, ending a season that began with playoff promise on a bright, if somewhat bizarre, note. They set a new bowl rushing record with 645 yards, shattering Nebraska's mark of 524 yards set in the 1996 Fiesta Bowl against Florida. Briles masterfully mixed personnel, using five different players at "quarterback," most of whom play other positions.

It didn't matter, as every Bears ball carrier -- Johnny Jefferson, Devin Chafin, Terence Williams and Lynx Hawthorne -- found green space behind a punishing line against the Heels, who sorely missed defensive tackle Nazair Jones. The only disappointment: no carries for 400-pound LaQuan McGowan...

Tequilla · January 2016

Baylor has tremendous athletes and UNC couldn't stop the most basic of run plays ...

Nice try

ThomasFremont · January 2016

PurpleJ said:
Chip is never coming back.

pat_hm · January 2016

Chip used Phil Knight and Oregon to build his resume and get an NFL job. It's that simple. He is never going back to hippy shit dump Eugene. Chip is an east coast guy. I don't see why people think Chip has some allegiance to Oregon. He doesn't. His goal was always to make it to the NFL and he's staying put there. Going back to the college level would signify failure and his professional legacy has yet to be written. Chip is trying to dick measure with Belichick, not Urban or Saban.

Indy is the top job simply due to Andrew Luck and Irsay will highly consider Chip after shit canning Chuck Strong and Grigson. Looks like Coughlin is going to retire as well which opens up the Giants job. Chip was a catastrophic failure as a GM but he can still coach and owners know that.

Miami and San Francisco are next then Tennessee. No one wants to coach Cleveland, not even Doug Marrone. I'm intrigued by NOLA because if Sean Payton moves on he would move ahead of Chip as the top head coach available.

I can't remember a better year to be a head coaching candidate and Chip is licking his chops. That is largely in part to the lack of competition. Who's next? Adam Gase? Hue Jackson? McDaniels? Harbaugh isn't leaving Michigan yet and I don't see any other college level coaches making the jump. Mora is a myth and can't even beat Stanford or Oregon. He was a disaster in Seattle and got lucky with Mike Vick running around in ATL. There is a reason so many underclassmen are leaving UCLA; his message is wearing thin in Westwood. Throwing your best player (Myles Jack) under the bus is always a good way to built team moral, right?

Helfich is a Coos Bay guy and even though he absolutely imploded last night you'd be surprised how many Oregon fans actually like him. Phil blew his load over the past 8 years and all they have to show for it is a couple 2nd place finishes, a Rose Bowl and a Fiesta over Kansas State. I'd kill for that as a Washington fan but Phil wanted a natty and he didn't get it. I think he going to cut his loses and is content with Helfich. Can't say he didn't try. He also looks like he's about to kick the bucket so I doubt he even cares. Moving on. Oregon has peaked and will slowly decend back to the Bellotti era Ducks.

PurpleThrobber · January 2016

ThomasFremont said:

PurpleJ said:
Chip is never coming back.

Wood hit. Savagely.