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Oregon better grab Chip Kelly right now, or else be Damned to Helfrich

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Hardcore_Husky Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 309 Swaye's Wigwam
edited January 2016 in Hardcore Husky Board

imageOregon better grab Chip Kelly right now, or else be Damned to Helfrich

Derek Johnson has a warning for Duck fans, after Oregon's epic loss to TCU on Saturday night.

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  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,320 Founders Club
    I read it.

    A typo and a repeat sentence, but good summary otherwise. ;)
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,443 Founders Club
    PurpleBaze said:

    I read it.

    A typo and a repeat sentence, but good summary otherwise. ;)

    I wrote it quick. I'll go find said error and fix. Thank you.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,443 Founders Club
    PurpleBaze said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    PurpleBaze said:

    I read it.

    A typo and a repeat sentence, but good summary otherwise. ;)

    I wrote it quick. I'll go find said error and fix. Thank you.
    I figured you wrote it quickly. I'm just being my jackass self.
    I usually hold myself to a high standard.
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  • TheHB
    TheHB Member Posts: 6,457
    Ducks probably have as good a shot at getting him back as they do Brian Kelly.

    Or Brian Kelly.
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  • AEB
    AEB Member Posts: 2,994
    What I'm very certain of is Chip has zero interest in returning to Oregon. He couldn't wait to leave.

    What I'm wildly speculative about is he is interested in staying in the NFL and would rather not return to college.
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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,849
    DerekJohnson said:

    PurpleBaze said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    PurpleBaze said:

    I read it.

    A typo and a repeat sentence, but good summary otherwise. ;)

    I wrote it quick. I'll go find said error and fix. Thank you.
    I figured you wrote it quickly. I'm just being my jackass self.
    I usually hold myself to a high standard.
    Except for this place where regulars are lucky to be able to string 2 coherent sentences together
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  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,681 Founders Club
    Where's Shawn Alexander and the NAACP protecting DP?
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  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,320 Founders Club
    LoneStarDawg said:

    Where's Shawn Alexander and the NAACP protecting DP?

    Shaun Alexander likes being DP'ed.
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  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    @AZDuck true?!?!?!?
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  • Vegasdawg
    Vegasdawg Member Posts: 370
    I read several accounts that said Kelly loves it out East and has no desire to coach at the college level. He made a bundle of dough off the Eagles and, welll, he has already lived where inbreeding is considered artsy.
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  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,839
    Ducks will be back.

    The conference sucks too bad for them not to be.
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,759 Founders Club
    It's okay if Oregon gets Chip because a texas school no one cares about got a fiesta bowl victory out of it.
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  • NeGgaPlEaSe
    NeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,763
    edited January 2016
    topdawgnc said:

    Ducks will be back.

    The conference sucks too bad for them not to be.

    No fucking way. If History has taught us 1 thing that is college sports goes in cycles. Miami is down, Michigan was down, Ohio state was down, fuck even Kentucky basketball was down. That bowl loss was embarrassing if anything and should hurt recruiting
    Oregon and Stanford will return to earth
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  • doogville
    doogville Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,231 Swaye's Wigwam
    Oregon has already returned to earth. A Utah clownstop and loss to the cuogs. Welcome to the dreck!
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,393
    Agreed. Better to focus on UW getting better to hasten Oregon's decline.

    Oregon clearly doesn't have capable back-ups to step in at QB and C. They hit free agency and brought in VAJ and Hegarty but both got hurt in the bowl game and Oregon crumpled. Most damning is that TCU didn't even get Boykin for a half and their starting center was out too but they found a way to win.

    I like Oregon's RBs and WRs but I'm guessing their OL will take a step back in 2016 and that will put more pressure on their new transfer QB. I doubt he'll be as slippery as VAJ which means more sacks for the new QB rather than VAJ ducking / spinning before throwing a bomb.

    Probably worse though is that their D loses all of their above average players (especially Buckner) except for Charles Nelson. Mondeaux could be good as a starter next year (maybe they'll have a guy like Greg Gaines come out of nowhere).

    Tequilla said:

    1) Why warn Oregon about their impending "doom"

    2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory

    3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking



    5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:

    Drive #1:

    1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards
    2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards
    3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards

    Drive #2:

    Fumbled Kickoff

    Drive #3:

    1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards
    2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards

    Drive #4:

    1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

    Drive #5:

    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Lockie incomplete
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

    Drive #6:

    Short drive to run out the clock

    Drive #7, First Overtime:

    1st Down: Freeman for 5 yards
    2nd Down: Lockie for 1 yard
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
    4th Down: Lockie pass to Freeman for 17 yards
    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Freeman for 1 yard, TD

    Drive #8, Second Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Nelson for no gain
    3rd Down: Lockie to Addison for -2 yards

    Drive #9, Third Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Freeman for 8 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
    4th Down: Lockie incomplete

    By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.

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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    Chip is never coming back.
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  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    Tequilla said:

    1) Why warn Oregon about their impending "doom"

    2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory

    3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking



    5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:

    Drive #1:

    1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards
    2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards
    3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards

    Drive #2:

    Fumbled Kickoff

    Drive #3:

    1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards
    2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards

    Drive #4:

    1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

    Drive #5:

    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Lockie incomplete
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

    Drive #6:

    Short drive to run out the clock

    Drive #7, First Overtime:

    1st Down: Freeman for 5 yards
    2nd Down: Lockie for 1 yard
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
    4th Down: Lockie pass to Freeman for 17 yards
    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Freeman for 1 yard, TD

    Drive #8, Second Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Nelson for no gain
    3rd Down: Lockie to Addison for -2 yards

    Drive #9, Third Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Freeman for 8 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
    4th Down: Lockie incomplete

    By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.

    But still.
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  • MikeSeaver
    MikeSeaver Member Posts: 5,800
    PurpleJ said:

    Chip is never coming back.

    Correct.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,101
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

    Tequilla said:

    1) Why warn Oregon about their impending "doom"

    2) If it wasn't already obvious to Oregon fans, supporters, donors, AD, and Uncle Phil that Slingblade wasn't the right guy, they're entering Pat Haden territory

    3) The idea that people have of handing the ball to the same RB 30-40x per game week in and week out isn't consistent with the way that football is played today and borders on dinosaur thinking



    5) To say that Oregon should have just run the football isn't paying attention to what actually happened in the game. Comments that people make that are over generalizations about what a coach should do acting like he shouldn't do that is one of my pet peeves and really fucking bothers me. It's fine to play arm chair QB, but get your facts straight when you do so versus just popping off just because something didn't work out. Oregon's drives in the 2nd half are as follows:

    Drive #1:

    1st down: Run Freeman for 6 yards
    2nd down: Fumbled snap for -20 yards
    3rd down: Run Freeman for 3 yards

    Drive #2:

    Fumbled Kickoff

    Drive #3:

    1st Down: Freeman run for 6 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 4 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 8 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman run for 6 yards, First Down
    1st Down: Freeman run for 4 yards
    2nd Down: Benoit run for 2 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards

    Drive #4:

    1st Down: Lockie pass to Addison for -1 yards
    2nd Down: Freeman for 4 yards
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

    Drive #5:

    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Lockie incomplete
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete

    Drive #6:

    Short drive to run out the clock

    Drive #7, First Overtime:

    1st Down: Freeman for 5 yards
    2nd Down: Lockie for 1 yard
    3rd Down: Lockie incomplete
    4th Down: Lockie pass to Freeman for 17 yards
    1st Down: Freeman for 1 yard
    2nd Down: Freeman for 1 yard, TD

    Drive #8, Second Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Nelson for no gain
    3rd Down: Lockie to Addison for -2 yards

    Drive #9, Third Overtime:

    1st Down: Lockie incomplete
    2nd Down: Freeman for 8 yards
    3rd Down: Fumbled snap for -5 yards
    4th Down: Lockie incomplete

    By my count, Oregon ran 29 meaningful snaps in the 2nd half. Of those 29, Freeman got the ball either as a runner or receiver 14 of those 29 plays with 3 of the 29 plays fumbled snaps that may or may not have gone to Freeman. The reality is that Oregon's offense with Lockie all year sucked in so many ways largely driven by the fact that they didn't trust anything in the passing game and therefore turned to the RBs (because they didn't trust Lockie to run) ... and defenses knew it. I don't care how talented you are, when teams don't have to respect areas of other teams and can make them one dimensional, they tend to be fairly easy to contain. And anybody that has paid an ounce of attention to TCU's maligned defense this year, this has been the case at Oklahoma once Mayfield was injured, against Baylor as soon as the weather got as shitty as I've ever experienced at a game rendering the passing game useless, and then last night when they didn't have to respect Lockie's ability to beat them with his arm.

    But still.
    I know right? Facts and reality don't matter ... ask @EdwinUW
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  • LaZoris
    LaZoris Member Posts: 1,734 Standard Supporter
    Lockie was 7/15 for 36 yards. Threw the ball 15 times... He should have maybe attempted 6 passes that 2nd half.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,101
    LaZoris said:

    Lockie was 7/15 for 36 yards. Threw the ball 15 times... He should have maybe attempted 6 passes that 2nd half.

    Disagree. A few of those throws were in situations where they had no choice to do so. Another handful of those throws were WR screens that were more or less running plays. They didn't make too many throws with Lockie where he wasn't either throwing a screen or checking it down to Freeman.

    The problem is that when a team realizes that they don't have to respect the downfield passing game, they aren't putting 8 in the box, they are putting 9 in the box and it not only allows them to run blitz all of the running lanes, but also allows them to run a fire blitz right up the middle to blow up the QB just in case he does decide to do play action.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,101
    I know that this may be hard for some of you to understand given the perception that nobody plays defense in the Big 12, but Patterson's teams at TCU have almost always had high rated defenses nationally including being known as one of the most difficult teams to run against.

    When you are faced with the proposition of being a one dimensional team and that one dimension is running the football, there are a lot of other teams you'd rather be playing than TCU ... even with all the injuries that TCU has had defensively this year.
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  • TTJ
    TTJ Member Posts: 4,827
    edited January 2016
    LaZoris said:

    Lockie was 7/15 for 36 yards. Threw the ball 15 times... He should have maybe attempted 6 passes that 2nd half.

    Thank you. Tequilla's TLDR summary tells the story: Too much passing.

    Regarding how the spread is played today (even without a 31-point head start), here's some dinosaur thinking for you:
    Undermanned Baylor runs for bowl record against North Carolina

    Johnny Jefferson rushed for 299 of Baylor's bowl-record 645 rushing yards against North Carolina.
    Dec 30, 2015
    Adam Rittenberg
    ESPN Staff Writer

    Art Briles is a wizard in long sleeves. There's no other explanation for what he did Tuesday night.

    The Baylor coach evidently doesn't need his top two quarterbacks (Seth Russell and Jarrett Stidham). Or his top running back (Shock Linwood). Or the nation's best wide receiver (Corey Coleman). Or his starting right tackle (Pat Colbert). Briles can work with just about any personnel group on offense. A depleted depth chart that would put many offensive coaches in the fetal position became a new challenge for Briles leading up to the Russell Athletic Bowl against No. 10 North Carolina. He delivered one of the more creative game plans in recent memory, as No. 17 Baylor, the nation's No. 19 pass offense, transformed into a rushing machine.

    The Bears steamrolled North Carolina 49-38, ending a season that began with playoff promise on a bright, if somewhat bizarre, note. They set a new bowl rushing record with 645 yards, shattering Nebraska's mark of 524 yards set in the 1996 Fiesta Bowl against Florida. Briles masterfully mixed personnel, using five different players at "quarterback," most of whom play other positions.

    It didn't matter, as every Bears ball carrier -- Johnny Jefferson, Devin Chafin, Terence Williams and Lynx Hawthorne -- found green space behind a punishing line against the Heels, who sorely missed defensive tackle Nazair Jones. The only disappointment: no carries for 400-pound LaQuan McGowan...
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,101
    Baylor has tremendous athletes and UNC couldn't stop the most basic of run plays ...

    Nice try
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  • ThomasFremont
    ThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    PurpleJ said:

    Chip is never coming back.

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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,088
    ThomasFremont said:

    PurpleJ said:

    Chip is never coming back.

    image
    Wood hit. Savagely.

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