This is Bugging Me
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Stop. Bugging. Me.
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There's something to conserving a small back, but that just means you bring in another back once in a while.
1st down - bubble screen to Gaydon Mickens for - 1 yds
2nd down and 11 - run it for 3 yards
3rd down and 8 - incomplete pass
3 and out
stupid play calling
No, it's not on fucking execution, and even if it was, that's still on coaches somewhat
We know what guys like Mickens are now.
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No question.RoadDawg55 said:Maybe the Gaskin needs 25+ carries is overblown, but it you honestly think this over analytical pass happy offense hasn't cost UW multiple games, DIAFF because you are a hopeless doog.
The offense is the problem, schematically, play calling, (lack of) development, etc. Other than maybe OL development and non WR recruiting I don't see one thing to be optimistic about regarding the offensive coaching.
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This offense is fucked so deeply from a scheme point it's unfixable this year unless we went super vanilla. It's like Pete handed Smith a bunch of crayons and told him to draw the coolest shit possible as long as it was in shotgun or wildcat. Meanwhile, smart coaches everywhere keep it simple and try to beat the other team's ass on the ground when they have a true frosh QB and young OL. Pete should be fired on the basis of sheer stupidity for being so stubborn with this "innovative" offense. Fuck.
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Yeah but the commentators think Smiff is creative and stuff.
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But how does Pete share similarities with Sark?
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I think there is a problem related to offensive philosophy. Our coaches (babushka and Petersen) assume that 2nd and 6 is a passing down. They assume that a pass on 2nd and 6 is going to be more effective than running Gaskin, and will create a more achievable situation on 3rd down.
Because our WRs struggle to get separation, and because browning still "isn't there," this is a false assumption. As we know, it often leads to an incomplete pass, or a gain of 0 yards (bubble screen).
At the end of the year I would like to see a statistic showing the percentage of plays where positive yards were achieved on pass attempts versus run attempts. -
I judge an offense based on how many times they end up at 4th and 1 after a 3rd down pass. And UW is great at that as are most shitty offenses. It's because they "take what the defense gives them" and the defense gives them short of the line.
A running back is moving forward. Our receivers are moving sideways or backwards.
Throw in Petersen's lack of guts to go for it and we suck again.gif -
I see everything you guys are describing. Can't really disagree with any of it. And yet, Peterman's BSU teams ran the shit out of the ball. My sense is that his offensive scheme and playcalling at UW are being heavily influenced by some pretty glaring personnel deficits, both in terms of talent and experience. Going ultra-conservative, and trusting your stout defense to keep you in games to the end, has given UW a puncher's chance in several games that could (should?) have been blowouts. Peterman's sideline demeanor tells me he doesn't like what they're doing on offense any more than we do. My guess is that the offense will look a lot different in a year or two.
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"Stubborn in the run game."
This quote, that Peterman has used multiple times, is as troubling as "House Money." It really, really bothers me and IMO should greatly concern the rest of you. We are treading into "the coaches know more than us" territory if it doesn't.
I share some optimism about the improvement, especially with Browning, but holy fuckall..
I can't see Peterman keeping it simple next year and giving it to Gaskin 25 times and letting D-Wash, McGrew, whoever the hell else get another 10-15 carries.
If we actually played like Utah or Stanford, teams that Peterman says he wants to be like, we would have a chance at 10+ wins next year. -
You guys can dismiss all of the above as more yearafternextwillbegreat rhetoric if you want. But folks who've been around more than a year or two will know that was never my message during prior coaching tenures. It's not Peterman's fault his predecessors sucked, nor that they left him a shit sandwich on offense.
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They also blew a lot of teams out at Boise State which leads to running the ball late.TTJ said:I see everything you guys are describing. Can't really disagree with any of it. And yet, Peterman's BSU teams ran the shit out of the ball. My sense is that his offensive scheme and playcalling at UW are being heavily influenced by some pretty glaring personnel deficits, both in terms of talent and experience. Going ultra-conservative, and trusting your stout defense to keep you in games to the end, has given UW a puncher's chance in several games that could (should?) have been blowouts. Peterman's sideline demeanor tells me he doesn't like what they're doing on offense any more than we do. My guess is that the offense will look a lot different in a year or two.
They ran the ball for balance, but the offense at Boise State was Kellen Moore picking apart the defense. -
When Ty beat Boise the Broncs were great between the 20's but couldn't cash it in when reaching the red zone. A problem Air Raid has at WSU. A problem a lot of these shitty passing offenses have.
WSU kicked 5 field goals against Stanford. One or two TDs and WSU is looking for a Norte Division title -
Petersen presents better than Sark or Ty. But the results have yet to catch up to the auraTTJ said:You guys can dismiss all of the above as more yearafternextwillbegreat rhetoric if you want. But folks who've been around more than a year or two will know that was never my message during prior coaching tenures. It's not Peterman's fault his predecessors sucked, nor that they left him a shit sandwich on offense.
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I think things would be better if Petersen acknowledged problems on offense. He's always pointed out specifics on defense like tackling and player positions on defense. But when he talks about the offense it's basically a "our plays work" answer.
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I'm not just talking about the Kellen Moore years, during which BSU was balanced but still ran a lot. During the non-KM years, BSU ran a ton.RoadDawg55 said:
They also blew a lot of teams out at Boise State which leads to running the ball late.TTJ said:I see everything you guys are describing. Can't really disagree with any of it. And yet, Peterman's BSU teams ran the shit out of the ball. My sense is that his offensive scheme and playcalling at UW are being heavily influenced by some pretty glaring personnel deficits, both in terms of talent and experience. Going ultra-conservative, and trusting your stout defense to keep you in games to the end, has given UW a puncher's chance in several games that could (should?) have been blowouts. Peterman's sideline demeanor tells me he doesn't like what they're doing on offense any more than we do. My guess is that the offense will look a lot different in a year or two.
They ran the ball for balance, but the offense at Boise State was Kellen Moore picking apart the defense. -
Like "we need to be more stubborn in the running game?"section_332 said:I think things would be better if Petersen acknowledged problems on offense. He's always pointed out specifics on defense like tackling and player positions on defense. But when he talks about the offense it's basically a "our plays work" answer.
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I think there's more to it than what you are describing @RoadDawg55 ... I'll try to take a deep dive into some numbers in the near future to try to get to the heart of it. There's some surface area stats that I'm fairly confident without looking would give conflicting results.
Regardless, there needs to be a strong reconsideration of what's going on offensively in the offseason. The areas that have sucked there have been so fucktardedly bad that it actually is overshadowing some of the good things going on on offense. -
So you'll circle back and drill down?Tequilla said:I think there's more to it than what you are describing @RoadDawg55 ... I'll try to take a deep dive into some numbers in the near future to try to get to the heart of it. There's some surface area stats that I'm fairly confident without looking would give conflicting results.
Regardless, there needs to be a strong reconsideration of what's going on offensively in the offseason. The areas that have sucked there have been so fucktardedly bad that it actually is overshadowing some of the good things going on on offense. -
The run/pass ratio is actually even worse than the stats show because 95% of Browning's carries are sacks and scrambles on called pass plays.Tequilla said:I think there's more to it than what you are describing @RoadDawg55 ... I'll try to take a deep dive into some numbers in the near future to try to get to the heart of it. There's some surface area stats that I'm fairly confident without looking would give conflicting results.
Regardless, there needs to be a strong reconsideration of what's going on offensively in the offseason. The areas that have sucked there have been so fucktardedly bad that it actually is overshadowing some of the good things going on on offense. -
It's deeper than that ... I don't think you can look at Petersen's past at Boise and figure out what he's for or against by just looking at box scores. There's going to be a unique subset that really will spell out what it is that he wants to do.
I'm not unconvinced that some of the shift to throwing this year is to get Browning experience. How much of that experience is for the future at the expense of this year is a good question. Year still needs to play out.
And yes, I do think that if the PI on Perkins is not called, we win the Utah game. -
We've got to dive deeper into the metrics, everyone says so
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Taking the gloves off now so I can furiously crunch numbers in my ti-89 plus
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BA II Plus or GTFO
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I am convinced if we ran 60/40 run/pass ratio this year we would have 2 more wins between Cal/Oregon/Utah.RoadDawg55 said:Maybe the Gaskin needs 25+ carries is overblown, but it you honestly think this over analytical pass happy offense hasn't cost UW multiple games, DIAFF because you are a hopeless doog.
Smith and Pete's hard on for "balance" with a freshman qb and wr's below average has made no sense all year. I can see next year's offense being able to do this, but not this year's team.
It would be interesting to see the % of first downs we've had when we started the first and 10 with a pass play versus a running play.
Pete wanted to be "stubborn" with the run at USC. I wish they would have been "stubborn" with it all year. -
Here's a good plan for our offense:
First and 10: Run the ball to Gaskin 80% of the time. Mostly out of the I formation. Sometimes throw out of the I on play action once the Gaskin carries average above 4 ypc.
2nd and 6+: Throw a slant to FUCKING PETTIS. NEVER TO MICKENS.
2nd and 2-6: Run a trap or something with Gaskin 80% of the time; play action if he's getting 5 ypc.
2nd and 1-2: Play action.
3rd and 5+: Throw over the middle.
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I wish we were at like 55% run.godawgst said:
I am convinced if we ran 60/40 run/pass ratio this year we would have 2 more wins between Cal/Oregon/Utah.RoadDawg55 said:Maybe the Gaskin needs 25+ carries is overblown, but it you honestly think this over analytical pass happy offense hasn't cost UW multiple games, DIAFF because you are a hopeless doog.
Smith and Pete's hard on for "balance" with a freshman qb and wr's below average has made no sense all year. I can see next year's offense being able to do this, but not this year's team.
It would be interesting to see the % of first downs we've had when we started the first and 10 with a pass play versus a running play.
Pete wanted to be "stubborn" with the run at USC. I wish they would have been "stubborn" with it all year.
The frustrating part for me is that since browning has been back I feel like the offense has gotten better. When we run our basic plays and play action we can move the ball. But then we kill ourselves with some nuanced trick play, or some reverse, or a fly sweep, or the Lindy package.
We got more chunk plays against Utah than anyone all year, but we shit our pants and made bizzare play calls at important times. -
Will we then level-set and align on strategy?RaceBannon said:
So you'll circle back and drill down?Tequilla said:I think there's more to it than what you are describing @RoadDawg55 ... I'll try to take a deep dive into some numbers in the near future to try to get to the heart of it. There's some surface area stats that I'm fairly confident without looking would give conflicting results.
Regardless, there needs to be a strong reconsideration of what's going on offensively in the offseason. The areas that have sucked there have been so fucktardedly bad that it actually is overshadowing some of the good things going on on offense. -
Synergize data, form a task force, and send it to committee. Don't want to step on any toes, but rather we need to get people together and achieve consensus on this before sending it through the proper channels.CaptainPJ said:
Will we then level-set and align on strategy?RaceBannon said:
So you'll circle back and drill down?Tequilla said:I think there's more to it than what you are describing @RoadDawg55 ... I'll try to take a deep dive into some numbers in the near future to try to get to the heart of it. There's some surface area stats that I'm fairly confident without looking would give conflicting results.
Regardless, there needs to be a strong reconsideration of what's going on offensively in the offseason. The areas that have sucked there have been so fucktardedly bad that it actually is overshadowing some of the good things going on on offense. -
Achieve synergy and become disruptive?doogsinparadise said:
Synergize data, form a task force, and send it to committee. Don't want to step on any toes, but rather we need to get people together and achieve consensus on this before sending it through the proper channels.CaptainPJ said:
Will we then level-set and align on strategy?RaceBannon said:
So you'll circle back and drill down?Tequilla said:I think there's more to it than what you are describing @RoadDawg55 ... I'll try to take a deep dive into some numbers in the near future to try to get to the heart of it. There's some surface area stats that I'm fairly confident without looking would give conflicting results.
Regardless, there needs to be a strong reconsideration of what's going on offensively in the offseason. The areas that have sucked there have been so fucktardedly bad that it actually is overshadowing some of the good things going on on offense.
