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Fire_Marshall_Bill
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It's not really scientific and I didn't research any SRS, but I thought the incremental progressions were kind of interesting. I included the year before they arrived but nothing previous to that.
I actually did this about a week ago and forgot about it and I did McCartney's just now. Cool story bro.
Lou Holtz (definitely a top five college coach of the last 50 years):
At Arkansas:
1976 (year before): 5-5-1
1977 (first year): 11-1
1978: 11-1
1979: 10-2
He dropped off a little after, but not much. Rumor has it his AD fired him because he supported Jessie Helms. It seems like such a douche Emmert move to fire someone over one's political bent, even if Helms is raycist. Who cares? He won everywhere he went except for the jets.
Minnesota:
1983 (yr. before): 1-10
1984: 4-7
1985: 7-5
If Holtz had stayed for 10 or 15 years, they probably make some Rose Bowls and aren't the has been program we reference.
Notre Dame:
1985 (yr. before): 5-6
1986: 5-6
1987: 8-4
1988: 12-0 (NC)
South Carolina:
1998 (year before): 1-10
1999: 0-11
2000: 8-4
2001: 9-3
Bob Stoops at Oklahomo:
1998 (year before): 5-6
1999: 7-5
2000: 13-0 (NC)
2001: 11-2
The only real down years he's had were 2005, 2009, and last year IIRC. Yet people think he's getting over the hill...
Les Miles:
Oklahoma State:
2000 (year before): 3-8
2001: 4-7
2002: 8-5
2003: 9-4
He set up Mike Gundy's success in the 2000s, IMO. They were awful from the time Barry Sanders left until he came.
at LSU; I skipped it because he inherited a national champion and also, fuck the sec, but he went 42-8 in his first four years. They're still obviously a contender.
Bill McCartney:
He inherited a bad Colorado program and it took him a long time to rebuild it, because it's hard. Colorado also played tough schedules in the 80s, i.e. they didn't play Colorado School of Mines, Montana State, and then Colorado State as their difficult game. By the same token, the middle and lower tier teams of what is now Power 5 were often times really bad. Think of Oregon State, Kansas, Vanderbilt. Nebraska and Oklahomo could usually breeze through the Big 8 because at least four teams really sucked. College football was very different as many of you know.
1981 (year before): 3-8
1982: 2-8-1
1983: 4-7
1984: 1-10
1985: 7-5 (lost to Hugh Millen led us in the Freedumb Bowel)
1986 through '88 were similar 7-4 type seasons, because it was hard
1989 was their big breakthrough. I remember them thrashing "us" at Husky Stadium, even though the game wasn't on TV. There was some uniform faggotry involving all purple I believe, but preferable to whatever the hell is going on now.
From 1989 through 1994, he went 58-11-4 and 36-3-3 in the Big 8. He won a national title, made two Orange Bowls, two Fiesta Bowls, and won or tied for the Big 8 three times. So sometimes you have to be patient and it pays off. It's not comparable to coming off a 9-4 season obviously, but things don't happen overnight. Maybe Petersen has a bunch of 6-8 win seasons and he's a dud, but he's going to get a lot of leeway anyway, so LIPO for now.
I actually did this about a week ago and forgot about it and I did McCartney's just now. Cool story bro.
Lou Holtz (definitely a top five college coach of the last 50 years):
At Arkansas:
1976 (year before): 5-5-1
1977 (first year): 11-1
1978: 11-1
1979: 10-2
He dropped off a little after, but not much. Rumor has it his AD fired him because he supported Jessie Helms. It seems like such a douche Emmert move to fire someone over one's political bent, even if Helms is raycist. Who cares? He won everywhere he went except for the jets.
Minnesota:
1983 (yr. before): 1-10
1984: 4-7
1985: 7-5
If Holtz had stayed for 10 or 15 years, they probably make some Rose Bowls and aren't the has been program we reference.
Notre Dame:
1985 (yr. before): 5-6
1986: 5-6
1987: 8-4
1988: 12-0 (NC)
South Carolina:
1998 (year before): 1-10
1999: 0-11
2000: 8-4
2001: 9-3
Bob Stoops at Oklahomo:
1998 (year before): 5-6
1999: 7-5
2000: 13-0 (NC)
2001: 11-2
The only real down years he's had were 2005, 2009, and last year IIRC. Yet people think he's getting over the hill...
Les Miles:
Oklahoma State:
2000 (year before): 3-8
2001: 4-7
2002: 8-5
2003: 9-4
He set up Mike Gundy's success in the 2000s, IMO. They were awful from the time Barry Sanders left until he came.
at LSU; I skipped it because he inherited a national champion and also, fuck the sec, but he went 42-8 in his first four years. They're still obviously a contender.
Bill McCartney:
He inherited a bad Colorado program and it took him a long time to rebuild it, because it's hard. Colorado also played tough schedules in the 80s, i.e. they didn't play Colorado School of Mines, Montana State, and then Colorado State as their difficult game. By the same token, the middle and lower tier teams of what is now Power 5 were often times really bad. Think of Oregon State, Kansas, Vanderbilt. Nebraska and Oklahomo could usually breeze through the Big 8 because at least four teams really sucked. College football was very different as many of you know.
1981 (year before): 3-8
1982: 2-8-1
1983: 4-7
1984: 1-10
1985: 7-5 (lost to Hugh Millen led us in the Freedumb Bowel)
1986 through '88 were similar 7-4 type seasons, because it was hard
1989 was their big breakthrough. I remember them thrashing "us" at Husky Stadium, even though the game wasn't on TV. There was some uniform faggotry involving all purple I believe, but preferable to whatever the hell is going on now.
From 1989 through 1994, he went 58-11-4 and 36-3-3 in the Big 8. He won a national title, made two Orange Bowls, two Fiesta Bowls, and won or tied for the Big 8 three times. So sometimes you have to be patient and it pays off. It's not comparable to coming off a 9-4 season obviously, but things don't happen overnight. Maybe Petersen has a bunch of 6-8 win seasons and he's a dud, but he's going to get a lot of leeway anyway, so LIPO for now.
Comments
Abundance.
In case you forgot '89 and '90.
A Haiku:
McCartney raped James
What's better, raped or raper
Just sayin' don't twist
I know assholes, 20-14 isn't rape and if Bailey or Gaspard make a play we win but I only have 17 syllables.
What I saw when looking up most coaches is that the good ones hit their stride in year 3 and started winning NCs/Big time bowls in year 4 (some year 3 and of course there are some who win in year 2 like Meyer).
There are definitely some big time concerns that have been shown this year. There are also huge signs of optimism too that balance it out so it's really hard (it's hard) to tell.