Great story about why coaching matters
2005
First-year Florida coach Urban Meyer had shed tears in his postgame press conference at LSU after his team couldn't cross its own 30-yard line in four fourth-quarter possessions. In the Gators' 2005 losses to Alabama and LSU, the vaunted spread option Meyer had brought from Utah had flopped. It had become obvious he didn't have the players he needed to run it.
So, during the bye week between the LSU game and the meeting with fourth-ranked Georgia, Meyer tossed most of his offense. He reinstated the fullback position that he had eliminated upon his arrival, moving a former walk-on named Billy Latsko back to offense from linebacker and creating a folk hero in the process. Meyer cribbed plays from Arkansas, which had lost by three at Georgia a week before the Gators and Bulldogs met. Meyer also put in plays that looked shockingly similar to ones Florida had run under coordinator Larry Fedora in 2004.
Georgia still likely would have won had quarterback D.J. Shockley been healthy, but with backup Joe Tereshinski starting, the Gators stood a chance. The Bulldogs' defense looked stunned by an offense that didn't resemble anything Florida had run all season. The Gators scored touchdowns on their first two possessions. They never scored again, but their defense held fast. Florida's 14–10 win was probably the most important of Meyer's tenure in Gainesville. To this day, I have never seen a coaching staff happier about a win—and that includes every national title game I've covered. It proved Meyer could adjust his offense to work against the best of the SEC, and the preparation for that game laid the foundation for the offense the Gators would use while winning the national title in 2006.
"Is that what we want to become? No," Meyer said a day after beating Georgia. "Do we want to win games? Yes. That was the decision made. We had to win that game. I'm comfortable with winning."
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Respect the Myer, brah
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Dwayne Warshington couldbe our Billy Latsko. Put him in the backfield as a pseudo Fullback, along with Gaskin at Halfback.
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His quote is what gives my sweats a simultaneous tightening and deflation. What does it say about Pete/Smith when they won't pound the rock 2:1 until it doesn't work anymore? Is it the balance he ultimately wants in the end? No. Will running a run heavy, option centric offense help us win this year? Maybe. Can't be any worse than the fucked up balanced attack featured at the moment.
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I'm sure we'll scrap our crap offense and do the right thing... just you wait!
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This is the type of shit that has me extremely concerned about Petersen. A coach can still run a tough, discipline program and still be flexible at the same time.
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Neat little story but its not like Florida was in the middle of a HUUUGE REBUILDING YEAR in 2005.
They were favored by 4 in that game. They won by 4. Not because of the offense- the offense sucked balls. It was one of the worst games of the year for an offense that averaged 27 points against power 5 conference teams.
They won because they held Georgia to 4.5 yards per play and Georgia missed two field goals. -
In 1999 neuheisel inherited an option QB, but he (neuheisel) had never run the option. So, he called nebraska, air force and other programs that had perfected that system. He implemented the option and the rest is Rose Bowl history.
Not a huge neuheisel fan, but it shows what can happen when a coach understands his players' abilities and puts winning over some "offensive philosophy" that worked in a different place, a different time, and with different people. -
Good points but....NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR VEGAS TALK!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!FremontTroll said:
Neat little story but its not like Florida was in the middle of a HUUUGE REBUILDING YEAR in 2005.
They were favored by 4 in that game. They won by 4. Not because of the offense- the offense sucked balls. It was one of the worst games of the year for an offense that averaged 27 points against power 5 conference teams.
They won because they held Georgia to 4.5 yards per play and Georgia missed two field goals. -
I don't really care if he's flexible or inflexible though, as long as they score more points. Run the same play over and over if they have to....the ends justifies the means.
One other thing, for as much as people like to criticize Petersen's last year at BSU in 2013, I think his offense was actually 17th in the nation in points per game.RoadDawg55 said:This is the type of shit that has me extremely concerned about Petersen. A coach can still run a tough, discipline program and still be flexible at the same time.
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They were terrible against the only real team they played all year. If they were good, the OC would have came over. That was an underachieving offense that came to Husky Stadium.HFNY said:I don't really care if he's flexible or inflexible though, as long as they score more points. Run the same play over and over if they have to....the ends justifies the means.
One other thing, for as much as people like to criticize Petersen's last year at BSU in 2013, I think his offense was actually 17th in the nation in points per game.RoadDawg55 said:This is the type of shit that has me extremely concerned about Petersen. A coach can still run a tough, discipline program and still be flexible at the same time.
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Adjusted for their opponents that offense was very mediocre.HFNY said:I don't really care if he's flexible or inflexible though, as long as they score more points. Run the same play over and over if they have to....the ends justifies the means.
One other thing, for as much as people like to criticize Petersen's last year at BSU in 2013, I think his offense was actually 17th in the nation in points per game.RoadDawg55 said:This is the type of shit that has me extremely concerned about Petersen. A coach can still run a tough, discipline program and still be flexible at the same time.
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Didn't the OC become the head coach?RoadDawg55 said:
They were terrible against the only real team they played all year. If they were good, the OC would have came over. That was an underachieving offense that came to Husky Stadium.HFNY said:I don't really care if he's flexible or inflexible though, as long as they score more points. Run the same play over and over if they have to....the ends justifies the means.
One other thing, for as much as people like to criticize Petersen's last year at BSU in 2013, I think his offense was actually 17th in the nation in points per game.RoadDawg55 said:This is the type of shit that has me extremely concerned about Petersen. A coach can still run a tough, discipline program and still be flexible at the same time.
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No. Harsin was long gone by then.Passion said:
Didn't the OC become the head coach?RoadDawg55 said:
They were terrible against the only real team they played all year. If they were good, the OC would have came over. That was an underachieving offense that came to Husky Stadium.HFNY said:I don't really care if he's flexible or inflexible though, as long as they score more points. Run the same play over and over if they have to....the ends justifies the means.
One other thing, for as much as people like to criticize Petersen's last year at BSU in 2013, I think his offense was actually 17th in the nation in points per game.RoadDawg55 said:This is the type of shit that has me extremely concerned about Petersen. A coach can still run a tough, discipline program and still be flexible at the same time.
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Harsin was the OC under Mack Brown for a year at Texas, then he GTFO and did a year at Arky State after Malzahn took the Auburn job, and then Boise opened up when Peterman went to UWPassion said:
Didn't the OC become the head coach?RoadDawg55 said:
They were terrible against the only real team they played all year. If they were good, the OC would have came over. That was an underachieving offense that came to Husky Stadium.HFNY said:I don't really care if he's flexible or inflexible though, as long as they score more points. Run the same play over and over if they have to....the ends justifies the means.
One other thing, for as much as people like to criticize Petersen's last year at BSU in 2013, I think his offense was actually 17th in the nation in points per game.RoadDawg55 said:This is the type of shit that has me extremely concerned about Petersen. A coach can still run a tough, discipline program and still be flexible at the same time.
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Why did the coach get fired after the 04 season then?FremontTroll said:Neat little story but its not like Florida was in the middle of a HUUUGE REBUILDING YEAR in 2005.
They were favored by 4 in that game. They won by 4. Not because of the offense- the offense sucked balls. It was one of the worst games of the year for an offense that averaged 27 points against power 5 conference teams.
They won because they held Georgia to 4.5 yards per play and Georgia missed two field goals.
When will UW not be in the middle of a HUGE rebuilding year?
When will doogs stop dismissing every successful coach and apologizing for the losers we hire?
They didn't cross midfield against LSU. Those 14 points stopped them from losing 10-0
Only at UW is the task so fucking monumental that you can't expect shit for 12 years so just sit back and make excuses.
Does anyone think that Petersen burns with the fire of a thousand suns to win like Meyer did and does?
Why would he you fucking doogs love losing
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It's amusing to me that some HHB posters can't separate what happened 10, 20 or 30 years ago with today. Different players, different coaches, different administrators, different college football environment. UW football is not entitled to anything based on what has happened in the distant past.
I'm no spring chicken, and I was at UW for a good chunk of the glory years. But WTF does that have to do with our situation today? Nothing.
@HeretoBeatmyChest has been doing yeoman's work putting things in perspective. Losing sucks. I agree and get it. But clicking your heels and demanding "win or GTFO" because we were dominant 25 years ago is bullshit.
LIPO, you impetulant fucks. Oh, and fire Smith today. -
Who the fuck said anything about entitlement or 30 years agoHuskyInAZ said:It's amusing to me that some HHB posters can't separate what happened 10, 20 or 30 years ago with today. Different players, different coaches, different administrators, different college football environment. UW football is not entitled to anything based on what has happened in the distant past.
I'm no spring chicken, and I was at UW for a good chunk of the glory years. But WTF does that have to do with our situation today? Nothing.
@HeretoBeatmyChest has been doing yeoman's work putting things in perspective. Losing sucks. I agree and get it. But clicking your heels and demanding "win or GTFO" because we were dominant 25 years ago is bullshit.
LIPO, you impetulant fucks. Oh, and fire Smith today.
I'm talking about now and you win by putting the work and brains in not by making pissant excuses for losers.
Fuck perspective
Perspective would have had Meyer say I need time to get players for my system so someday we can win you know maybe but its hard and shit
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"Is that what we want to become? No," Meyer said a day after beating Georgia. "Do we want to win games? Yes. That was the decision made. We had to win that game. I'm comfortable with winning."
They HAD to win.
The last time that was the mantra at UW is fucking too long ago to remember.
instead we you doogs and your fucking loser excuses -
Who the fuck said anything about entitlement or 30 years ago
I'm talking about now and you win by putting the work and brains in not by making pissant excuses for losers.
Fuck perspective
Perspective would have had Meyer say I need time to get players for my system so someday we can win you know maybe but its hard and shit
Instead
"Is that what we want to become? No," Meyer said a day after beating Georgia. "Do we want to win games? Yes. That was the decision made. We had to win that game. I'm comfortable with winning."
They HAD to win.
The last time that was the mantra at UW is fucking too long ago to remember.
instead we you doogs and your fucking loser excuses
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Somebody needs a drink.
Give me a couple hours and I'll join you.
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Maybe if CP just wanted to win as much as Meyer, we'd be all good.
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Not living in the past?RaceBannon said:
Who the fuck said anything about entitlement or 30 years agoHuskyInAZ said:It's amusing to me that some HHB posters can't separate what happened 10, 20 or 30 years ago with today. Different players, different coaches, different administrators, different college football environment. UW football is not entitled to anything based on what has happened in the distant past.
I'm no spring chicken, and I was at UW for a good chunk of the glory years. But WTF does that have to do with our situation today? Nothing.
@HeretoBeatmyChest has been doing yeoman's work putting things in perspective. Losing sucks. I agree and get it. But clicking your heels and demanding "win or GTFO" because we were dominant 25 years ago is bullshit.
LIPO, you impetulant fucks. Oh, and fire Smith today.
I'm talking about now and you win by putting the work and brains in not by making pissant excuses for losers.
Fuck perspective
Perspective would have had Meyer say I need time to get players for my system so someday we can win you know maybe but its hard and shit
Instead
"Is that what we want to become? No," Meyer said a day after beating Georgia. "Do we want to win games? Yes. That was the decision made. We had to win that game. I'm comfortable with winning."
They HAD to win.
The last time that was the mantra at UW is fucking too long ago to remember.
instead we you doogs and your fucking loser excuses -
As a young(ish) person I fucking love story time with Uncle Race.
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The problem with you and your "perspective" is that any losing program can make the same excuses. It really is as simple as win or gtfo. It has very little to do with 25 years ago, although teams like that should always be the goal.HuskyInAZ said:It's amusing to me that some HHB posters can't separate what happened 10, 20 or 30 years ago with today. Different players, different coaches, different administrators, different college football environment. UW football is not entitled to anything based on what has happened in the distant past.
I'm no spring chicken, and I was at UW for a good chunk of the glory years. But WTF does that have to do with our situation today? Nothing.
@HeretoBeatmyChest has been doing yeoman's work putting things in perspective. Losing sucks. I agree and get it. But clicking your heels and demanding "win or GTFO" because we were dominant 25 years ago is bullshit.
LIPO, you impetulant fucks. Oh, and fire Smith today. -
Not to downplay the whole winning thing because not only does it matter, but it's the only stat that anybody should ever give 2 shits about.
But given the overall youth on the roster, and given that in many ways that this year is as much about player development as anything else, there's a fine line between developing players and winning games.
Browning hasn't been great this year ... and I don't think anybody is expecting him to be. But if what we get over the next 2-3 years is due in part to taking some lumps this year, then wouldn't the future payoff be worth it? -
Petersen has the chance to buy another year from me. The gains by parts of this team (Defense, special teams, and incremental growth on the o-line, lack of forceful plungerings) have been refreshing but Smith and his offense are the ashtray on my greasy pork sandwich. Has Pete shown himself to be a good game day manager? No, but neither is Les Miles and he has a natty. Hire a competent, professional coordinator and lets see what happens. If we get more of the same next year...Door.Ass.Out. Experiment over, He's not the guy.
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Here is where I am at...
One of the reasons I was and still am excited about Petersen is that we had not had an adult in charge of the program for over a decade. I remember so many posters on here saying the same thing when he was hired too, we needed a coach that would not come in here and try to pull smoke and mirrors, this program needs substance. Even Neuheisel built his team down to a loser after several years. But what this program absolutely needed was a change in everything. Petersen blew shit up last year, he ran the program trying to prove a point to players that they are soft as shit basically and undisciplined as sin, mostly because they are.
This is and has been a soft ass program that is a fucking loser program, I am on board with Petersen because I know he came in here and was appalled by the shit that this football program has been on for the last 4 coaches or whatever and realized that it needs to be blown the fuck up. I know that's not what anyone wants to hear since we have been rebuilding for 15 years, but how is any of that shit Petersen's fault?
I am willing to give him his third year to show the significant gains that should be shown in year 3.
I absolutely understand and agree with all of you voicing concerns, they are legitimate, especially on the offensive side of the ball. But I am going to give Petersen his time. -
Didn't you listen to the fan podcast? Are you senile?RaceBannon said:
Why did the coach get fired after the 04 season then?FremontTroll said:Neat little story but its not like Florida was in the middle of a HUUUGE REBUILDING YEAR in 2005.
They were favored by 4 in that game. They won by 4. Not because of the offense- the offense sucked balls. It was one of the worst games of the year for an offense that averaged 27 points against power 5 conference teams.
They won because they held Georgia to 4.5 yards per play and Georgia missed two field goals.
When will UW not be in the middle of a HUGE rebuilding year?
When will doogs stop dismissing every successful coach and apologizing for the losers we hire?
They didn't cross midfield against LSU. Those 14 points stopped them from losing 10-0
Only at UW is the task so fucking monumental that you can't expect shit for 12 years so just sit back and make excuses.
Does anyone think that Petersen burns with the fire of a thousand suns to win like Meyer did and does?
Why would he you fucking doogs love losing
Rack me
I don't make up the rules. I don't know why this is a HUGE REBUILDING YEAR™ and next year won't be. I am just a minion. Ask the Chest. -
I didn't listen so if I blew up at you for no reason I apologize but it felt good to do so anywayFremontTroll said:
Didn't you listen to the fan podcast? Are you senile?RaceBannon said:
Why did the coach get fired after the 04 season then?FremontTroll said:Neat little story but its not like Florida was in the middle of a HUUUGE REBUILDING YEAR in 2005.
They were favored by 4 in that game. They won by 4. Not because of the offense- the offense sucked balls. It was one of the worst games of the year for an offense that averaged 27 points against power 5 conference teams.
They won because they held Georgia to 4.5 yards per play and Georgia missed two field goals.
When will UW not be in the middle of a HUGE rebuilding year?
When will doogs stop dismissing every successful coach and apologizing for the losers we hire?
They didn't cross midfield against LSU. Those 14 points stopped them from losing 10-0
Only at UW is the task so fucking monumental that you can't expect shit for 12 years so just sit back and make excuses.
Does anyone think that Petersen burns with the fire of a thousand suns to win like Meyer did and does?
Why would he you fucking doogs love losing
Rack me
I don't make up the rules. I don't know why this is a HUGE REBUILDING YEAR™ and next year won't be. I am just a minion. Ask the Chest. -
At Neu's direction, Gilby sat down with Tui and Conniff in a room and said "teach me everything you know about running the option". They had run it at Woodinville and gone to the state semi finals in 1996.Passion said:In 1999 neuheisel inherited an option QB, but he (neuheisel) had never run the option. So, he called nebraska, air force and other programs that had perfected that system. He implemented the option and the rest is Rose Bowl history.
Not a huge neuheisel fan, but it shows what can happen when a coach understands his players' abilities and puts winning over some "offensive philosophy" that worked in a different place, a different time, and with different people.
On a side note, Tui and Conniff were part of an epic collapse during a monsoon that kept them from reaching the state championship game. They had a fumbled exchange that was returned for a TD, and the very next series Tui threw a pick 6. -
One of the reasons I was excited about Petersen is the belief he had the ability to take recruiting classes cumulatively ranked 23rd (I'm pulling the number from my ass, but it's probably accurate + - 3 spots) and turn it onto the 11th ranked team in a couple years. The defense has made good progress but the offense hasn't yet.
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I think Lindy could have been a great option QB for us this year. Even better would have been Troy Williams.
