Salt in the wound
So grasping hold of this momentum the Huskies give up a TD on the first drive and then Coach No Ballsack punts on 4th and 1 and the rest is an all too familiar story of defeat and despair.
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This program loves to face plant before real progress is made. Now we pitter patter through the schedule and end up fighting hunger against the mountain west in mid December. The narrative is we're young with a bright future.
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Did any of our profiles in courage media members ask about that punt call? My buddies and I (who hate money) were in the stands and looked at each other in disbelief.
It had not even occurred to us that we would punt. So cowardly. We let Oregon know they had nothing to fear. -
The end of game management was worse than a punt. It was literally like the coaching staff saying who gives a fuck. There was no hurry from anyone at all and was fucking strange. Twilight zone shit.
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I was screaming from section 304...'WE ARE LOSING!!! MOVE YOUR ASS!"dongman said:The end of game management was worse than a punt. It was literally like the coaching staff saying who gives a fuck. There was no hurry from anyone at all and was fucking strange. Twilight zone shit.
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No real progress was made. We beat a 7 or 8 win USC team.Doogles said:This program loves to face plant before real progress is made. Now we pitter patter through the schedule and end up fighting hunger against the mountain west in mid December. The narrative is we're young with a bright future.
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If Sark had any common sense he would have kept running the ball and USC would have beaten us.RoadDawg55 said:
No real progress was made. We beat a 7 or 8 win USC team.Doogles said:This program loves to face plant before real progress is made. Now we pitter patter through the schedule and end up fighting hunger against the mountain west in mid December. The narrative is we're young with a bright future.
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If we weren't such battered women looking for change we would have realized Sark Sarked that game away and Oregon was going to beat us for the 833rd year in a row.DerekJohnson said:
If Sark had any common sense he would have kept running the ball and USC would have beaten us.RoadDawg55 said:
No real progress was made. We beat a 7 or 8 win USC team.Doogles said:This program loves to face plant before real progress is made. Now we pitter patter through the schedule and end up fighting hunger against the mountain west in mid December. The narrative is we're young with a bright future.
L, R, R.
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I have no problem punting on 4th and 1 early in the game ... we can't consistently enough pick up that 1 yard by running the ball at this point.
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If you don't have the balls to go get one yard, at home, on the plus side of the field, then you need to not be coaching FBS football.Tequilla said:I have no problem punting on 4th and 1 early in the game ... we can't consistently enough pick up that 1 yard by running the ball at this point.
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3rd or 4th quarter I'd 100% agree.
Not on the first drive of the game when already down by a TD.
This isn't fucking Madden where you can hit the reset button if you don't get your way to start the game ... -
Id like to see any of you internet assholes call plays while you're three sheets to the wind
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Two words:Tequilla said:3rd or 4th quarter I'd 100% agree.
Not on the first drive of the game when already down by a TD.
This isn't fucking Madden where you can hit the reset button if you don't get your way to start the game ...
Oregon's defense.
Peterman shoulda gone for it
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Yes, make sure to give Oregon an insurmountable lead before daring to make the correct call.
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Oregon's first score came from 2 broken plays ...
As the game played out, the vast majority of Oregon's success came from broken plays ...
I expect that the coaching staff had confidence in the defense to hold/maintain Oregon's offense, including their running game (which the numbers supported at the end of the game).
For our offense, points are at a premium. Forcing them to play catchup early doesn't help at all.
Punting was the correct call. -
I'm hearing that broken plays count too. Vince Young won a natty on broken plays
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Holy shit. It actually was definitively not the right call. Because they punted (0 pts for us (Us?)), and Oregon scored (7 pts, if you are keeping track).Tequilla said:Oregon's first score came from 2 broken plays ...
As the game played out, the vast majority of Oregon's success came from broken plays ...
I expect that the coaching staff had confidence in the defense to hold/maintain Oregon's offense, including their running game (which the numbers supported at the end of the game).
For our offense, points are at a premium. Forcing them to play catchup early doesn't help at all.
Punting was the correct call.
This is not a theoretical exercise. They actually punted and it was the wrong fucking call!
Are we done now or do you want to keep going?
Because I could also address how, if your defense is your strength, THAT IS ALL THE MORE REASON TO TAKE HIGH PERCENTAGE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OUT YOUR OFFENSE AND SCORE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT POINTS. -
Look @Tequilla, I get what you're trying to say, but in a game where you average around six yards per carry a 4th and 1 is no worse than a coin flip. There's a lot that's been written recently by the stat nerds that shows going on 4th on the opponents end of the field is nearly always the correct choice.
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Those stat nerds show it is much better than a coin flip.doogsinparadise said:Look @Tequilla, I get what you're trying to say, but in a game where you average around six yards per carry a 4th and 1 is no worse than a coin flip. There's a lot that's been written recently by the stat nerds that shows going on 4th on the opponents end of the field is nearly always the correct choice.
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When you also take under consideration that Oregon had their QB back and it was apparent UW was going to need points to compete, then punting was FS. It took all of 30 seconds for them to get back to the same line of scrimmage anyway.Tequilla said:3rd or 4th quarter I'd 100% agree.
Not on the first drive of the game when already down by a TD.
This isn't fucking Madden where you can hit the reset button if you don't get your way to start the game ... -
Tequila may want to put the gloves back on.
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This is a great post if you were factually correct ... but you aren't.doogville said:
Holy shit. It actually was definitively not the right call. Because they punted (0 pts for us (Us?)), and Oregon scored (7 pts, if you are keeping track).Tequilla said:Oregon's first score came from 2 broken plays ...
As the game played out, the vast majority of Oregon's success came from broken plays ...
I expect that the coaching staff had confidence in the defense to hold/maintain Oregon's offense, including their running game (which the numbers supported at the end of the game).
For our offense, points are at a premium. Forcing them to play catchup early doesn't help at all.
Punting was the correct call.
This is not a theoretical exercise. They actually punted and it was the wrong fucking call!
Are we done now or do you want to keep going?
Because I could also address how, if your defense is your strength, THAT IS ALL THE MORE REASON TO TAKE HIGH PERCENTAGE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OUT YOUR OFFENSE AND SCORE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT POINTS.
We had 4th and 1 on the 39 ... we punted to the 10.
On the next drive, defense held Oregon to a 3 and out until Psalm Wooching went offsides on a 4th and 4 to give Oregon a 1st down. Oregon got a nice run from Freeman on the next 2 plays to give Oregon a 1st down before that drive sputtered and they punted it back to us with a 50 yard punt that went out of bounds at our 5.
Get the punt where you should have had it (from the Oregon 15), and even with a 40 yard net kick we get the ball back at the 45 yard line.
First play of the next drive was a 34 yard run by Gaskin. That would have immediately put us in FG range. -
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. When did you turn into such a Doog?Tequilla said:
This is a great post if you were factually correct ... but you aren't.doogville said:
Holy shit. It actually was definitively not the right call. Because they punted (0 pts for us (Us?)), and Oregon scored (7 pts, if you are keeping track).Tequilla said:Oregon's first score came from 2 broken plays ...
As the game played out, the vast majority of Oregon's success came from broken plays ...
I expect that the coaching staff had confidence in the defense to hold/maintain Oregon's offense, including their running game (which the numbers supported at the end of the game).
For our offense, points are at a premium. Forcing them to play catchup early doesn't help at all.
Punting was the correct call.
This is not a theoretical exercise. They actually punted and it was the wrong fucking call!
Are we done now or do you want to keep going?
Because I could also address how, if your defense is your strength, THAT IS ALL THE MORE REASON TO TAKE HIGH PERCENTAGE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OUT YOUR OFFENSE AND SCORE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT POINTS.
We had 4th and 1 on the 39 ... we punted to the 10.
On the next drive, defense held Oregon to a 3 and out until Psalm Wooching went offsides on a 4th and 4 to give Oregon a 1st down. Oregon got a nice run from Freeman on the next 2 plays to give Oregon a 1st down before that drive sputtered and they punted it back to us with a 50 yard punt that went out of bounds at our 5.
Get the punt where you should have had it (from the Oregon 15), and even with a 40 yard net kick we get the ball back at the 45 yard line.
First play of the next drive was a 34 yard run by Gaskin. That would have immediately put us in FG range. -
Trust me, I totally get the other side of the coin.doogsinparadise said:Look @Tequilla, I get what you're trying to say, but in a game where you average around six yards per carry a 4th and 1 is no worse than a coin flip. There's a lot that's been written recently by the stat nerds that shows going on 4th on the opponents end of the field is nearly always the correct choice.
Game theory would absolutely say that if we're averaging 6 yards per play that we're a huge favorite to get 1 yard.
There's no guarantee that we're going to score if we get the first down. The risk of not getting the first not only is a short field for the opposition, but even best case if we hold to a 3 and out is a punt that puts us inside our own 20 (which is what ended up happening after we punted, got the stop, Wooching's offsides gave Oregon a first, 2 Freeman runs got a 1st, and they ended up punting from essentially where we had punted it and stuck us down inside our 10).
Our offense is showing the ability to move the ball 20-40 yards a possession at least a reasonable percentage of the time right now. What's killing it is ill-timed penalties (young and at times overmatched OL) and sacks as we don't have enough explosive abilities to be able to make up chunk plays on demand.
Because of that, our best path to success is to find opportunities for our offense to have short fields caused either by turnovers or playing field position and all the while doing that forcing the opposition to go long fields as the odds of the opposition having 70+ yard drives is fairly low. -
When we punted I commented in the game thread that the program could not get any gayer.
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The game literally was over when they punted
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It's not being a Doog ... it's understanding what our capabilities are.doogsinparadise said:
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. When did you turn into such a Doog?Tequilla said:
This is a great post if you were factually correct ... but you aren't.doogville said:
Holy shit. It actually was definitively not the right call. Because they punted (0 pts for us (Us?)), and Oregon scored (7 pts, if you are keeping track).Tequilla said:Oregon's first score came from 2 broken plays ...
As the game played out, the vast majority of Oregon's success came from broken plays ...
I expect that the coaching staff had confidence in the defense to hold/maintain Oregon's offense, including their running game (which the numbers supported at the end of the game).
For our offense, points are at a premium. Forcing them to play catchup early doesn't help at all.
Punting was the correct call.
This is not a theoretical exercise. They actually punted and it was the wrong fucking call!
Are we done now or do you want to keep going?
Because I could also address how, if your defense is your strength, THAT IS ALL THE MORE REASON TO TAKE HIGH PERCENTAGE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OUT YOUR OFFENSE AND SCORE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT POINTS.
We had 4th and 1 on the 39 ... we punted to the 10.
On the next drive, defense held Oregon to a 3 and out until Psalm Wooching went offsides on a 4th and 4 to give Oregon a 1st down. Oregon got a nice run from Freeman on the next 2 plays to give Oregon a 1st down before that drive sputtered and they punted it back to us with a 50 yard punt that went out of bounds at our 5.
Get the punt where you should have had it (from the Oregon 15), and even with a 40 yard net kick we get the ball back at the 45 yard line.
First play of the next drive was a 34 yard run by Gaskin. That would have immediately put us in FG range.
How many times in the last 3-4 years has Pete Carroll punted the ball in the same position with the Hawks? When you have an above average special teams and strong defense, it's the right play. -
I don't remember Carroll punting may times on 4th and 1 in the opponents territory at USC.Tequilla said:
It's not being a Doog ... it's understanding what our capabilities are.doogsinparadise said:
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. When did you turn into such a Doog?Tequilla said:
This is a great post if you were factually correct ... but you aren't.doogville said:
Holy shit. It actually was definitively not the right call. Because they punted (0 pts for us (Us?)), and Oregon scored (7 pts, if you are keeping track).Tequilla said:Oregon's first score came from 2 broken plays ...
As the game played out, the vast majority of Oregon's success came from broken plays ...
I expect that the coaching staff had confidence in the defense to hold/maintain Oregon's offense, including their running game (which the numbers supported at the end of the game).
For our offense, points are at a premium. Forcing them to play catchup early doesn't help at all.
Punting was the correct call.
This is not a theoretical exercise. They actually punted and it was the wrong fucking call!
Are we done now or do you want to keep going?
Because I could also address how, if your defense is your strength, THAT IS ALL THE MORE REASON TO TAKE HIGH PERCENTAGE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OUT YOUR OFFENSE AND SCORE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT POINTS.
We had 4th and 1 on the 39 ... we punted to the 10.
On the next drive, defense held Oregon to a 3 and out until Psalm Wooching went offsides on a 4th and 4 to give Oregon a 1st down. Oregon got a nice run from Freeman on the next 2 plays to give Oregon a 1st down before that drive sputtered and they punted it back to us with a 50 yard punt that went out of bounds at our 5.
Get the punt where you should have had it (from the Oregon 15), and even with a 40 yard net kick we get the ball back at the 45 yard line.
First play of the next drive was a 34 yard run by Gaskin. That would have immediately put us in FG range.
How many times in the last 3-4 years has Pete Carroll punted the ball in the same position with the Hawks? When you have an above average special teams and strong defense, it's the right play. -
Well then you would have to look at how the defense performed, and those pesky explosion plays which you've been trying to discredit. Their inability to get off the field on third and long as well as their trouble preventing the big plays shows they weren't good enough to play a pure field position game. Gotta score points when you give up 26, and you're not going to do that punting from the opponents 39.Tequilla said:
It's not being a Doog ... it's understanding what our capabilities are.doogsinparadise said:
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. When did you turn into such a Doog?Tequilla said:
This is a great post if you were factually correct ... but you aren't.doogville said:
Holy shit. It actually was definitively not the right call. Because they punted (0 pts for us (Us?)), and Oregon scored (7 pts, if you are keeping track).Tequilla said:Oregon's first score came from 2 broken plays ...
As the game played out, the vast majority of Oregon's success came from broken plays ...
I expect that the coaching staff had confidence in the defense to hold/maintain Oregon's offense, including their running game (which the numbers supported at the end of the game).
For our offense, points are at a premium. Forcing them to play catchup early doesn't help at all.
Punting was the correct call.
This is not a theoretical exercise. They actually punted and it was the wrong fucking call!
Are we done now or do you want to keep going?
Because I could also address how, if your defense is your strength, THAT IS ALL THE MORE REASON TO TAKE HIGH PERCENTAGE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OUT YOUR OFFENSE AND SCORE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT POINTS.
We had 4th and 1 on the 39 ... we punted to the 10.
On the next drive, defense held Oregon to a 3 and out until Psalm Wooching went offsides on a 4th and 4 to give Oregon a 1st down. Oregon got a nice run from Freeman on the next 2 plays to give Oregon a 1st down before that drive sputtered and they punted it back to us with a 50 yard punt that went out of bounds at our 5.
Get the punt where you should have had it (from the Oregon 15), and even with a 40 yard net kick we get the ball back at the 45 yard line.
First play of the next drive was a 34 yard run by Gaskin. That would have immediately put us in FG range.
How many times in the last 3-4 years has Pete Carroll punted the ball in the same position with the Hawks? When you have an above average special teams and strong defense, it's the right play. -
He also had the superior talent on his side at USC as well ... we don't at this point. Apples and Oranges.RoadDawg55 said:
I don't remember Carroll punting may times on 4th and 1 in the opponents territory at USC.Tequilla said:
It's not being a Doog ... it's understanding what our capabilities are.doogsinparadise said:
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. When did you turn into such a Doog?Tequilla said:
This is a great post if you were factually correct ... but you aren't.doogville said:
Holy shit. It actually was definitively not the right call. Because they punted (0 pts for us (Us?)), and Oregon scored (7 pts, if you are keeping track).Tequilla said:Oregon's first score came from 2 broken plays ...
As the game played out, the vast majority of Oregon's success came from broken plays ...
I expect that the coaching staff had confidence in the defense to hold/maintain Oregon's offense, including their running game (which the numbers supported at the end of the game).
For our offense, points are at a premium. Forcing them to play catchup early doesn't help at all.
Punting was the correct call.
This is not a theoretical exercise. They actually punted and it was the wrong fucking call!
Are we done now or do you want to keep going?
Because I could also address how, if your defense is your strength, THAT IS ALL THE MORE REASON TO TAKE HIGH PERCENTAGE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP OUT YOUR OFFENSE AND SCORE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT POINTS.
We had 4th and 1 on the 39 ... we punted to the 10.
On the next drive, defense held Oregon to a 3 and out until Psalm Wooching went offsides on a 4th and 4 to give Oregon a 1st down. Oregon got a nice run from Freeman on the next 2 plays to give Oregon a 1st down before that drive sputtered and they punted it back to us with a 50 yard punt that went out of bounds at our 5.
Get the punt where you should have had it (from the Oregon 15), and even with a 40 yard net kick we get the ball back at the 45 yard line.
First play of the next drive was a 34 yard run by Gaskin. That would have immediately put us in FG range.
How many times in the last 3-4 years has Pete Carroll punted the ball in the same position with the Hawks? When you have an above average special teams and strong defense, it's the right play. -
First, I think that they were expecting them to put up in the 20-24 range ... but even at 26, early in the game, you still have to like your chances at creating a turnover, etc. to get a easy score or two. Perhaps in hindsight they would go for it given how things turned out but you can't do that at the time.
And while you are trying to put words into my mouth on those pesky explosion plays, sometimes those are the difference in the game. We had the opportunity to makes plays there and we consistently failed while Oregon made them. As Race said, winners win and losers lose. On those plays, we lost and they won. In my opinion, those plays were the difference in the game. Generally speaking, I thought the defense played well enough to win. But I'm also sure that those plays will be brought up in film study showing how important every play can be and how the difference between a great play for us/them can be as simple as missing a tackle/sack.
And while this isn't meant as if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle type of comment, even in my biggest doog moment would I have thought that after 6 games that we'd be 3-3 with the 3 losses being situations where we had the ball at the end with a chance to win. For as far away as we feel we are at times, we're not that far away on the other. It's maddening and frustrating ... but in my mind I feel like we're a little further ahead than where I thought we'd be this year.
