High School Injuries and Deaths
The number of HS deaths this year have been absolutely staggering. I can't recall a time when there has been as many deaths, as well as significant injuries of the life-altering variety.
Is it possible that with the prevalence of the spread offenses and whatnot that the game is getting too fast and therefore too violent without enough checks and balances in place?
Does the sport need another level of review to it similar to the one called by Teddy Roosevelt 110 years ago? http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/teddy-roosevelt-saved-football-111146?o=0
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It's not the speed of the game.Tequilla said:http://usatodayhss.com/2015/seattle-football-injuries-tackling-head-neck
The number of HS deaths this year have been absolutely staggering. I can't recall a time when there has been as many deaths, as well as significant injuries of the life-altering variety.
Is it possible that with the prevalence of the spread offenses and whatnot that the game is getting too fast and therefore too violent without enough checks and balances in place?
Does the sport need another level of review to it similar to the one called by Teddy Roosevelt 110 years ago? http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/teddy-roosevelt-saved-football-111146?o=0
It's the stupidity of the defenders that lower their heads looking for a big hit.
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Fuck high school sports people, get your shit together! Or put @Blackie in charge!TierbsHsotBoobs said:
It's not the speed of the game.Tequilla said:http://usatodayhss.com/2015/seattle-football-injuries-tackling-head-neck
The number of HS deaths this year have been absolutely staggering. I can't recall a time when there has been as many deaths, as well as significant injuries of the life-altering variety.
Is it possible that with the prevalence of the spread offenses and whatnot that the game is getting too fast and therefore too violent without enough checks and balances in place?
Does the sport need another level of review to it similar to the one called by Teddy Roosevelt 110 years ago? http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/teddy-roosevelt-saved-football-111146?o=0
It's the stupidity of the defenders that lower their heads looking for a big hit.
We've learned nothing from Curtis Williams (RIP) -
It's probably all the rules designed for safety that are making guys think more and do unnatural movements that result in getting crushed.
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Not the case.Doogles said:It's probably all the rules designed for safety that are making guys think more and do unnatural movements that result in getting crushed.
You keep your head up, you don't break your neck.
You do dumb shit like this, you end your career:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEccmg4JRbE
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Back in my brief FB career (Hi AOG!) if we ever lowered our head to try and spear a guy the next practice the coach would make that player run until he puked.
I thought back then they were just being assholes. I remember my miserable day I had to do this and I told the coach that this was bullshit we had to go until we puked. He told me "if you keep doing what your doing you will be puking anyways"
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I think that there's a lot tied into the lack of fundamentals as well as the thinking that goes into what is and isn't a hit.
There was a play during the TAMU game that resulted in an ejection stemming from a WR block. Go to the 4:25 mark in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVux410KTsA
Not sure what the answer is ... but there's got to be something out there to keep away from so many of these situations ...
BTW, the 5:10 mark shows a glimpse of what we're missing with Hall. -
Block and tackle people with your torso, not your head. As a bonus, don't go headhunting your opponents.Tequilla said:
Not sure what the answer is ... but there's got to be something out there to keep away from so many of these situations ...
This isn't rocket surgery.
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You should've linked us to Perkin's block against Cal last year on the long John Ross pass that got him ejected for "targeting a defenseless player"Tequilla said:I think that there's a lot tied into the lack of fundamentals as well as the thinking that goes into what is and isn't a hit.
There was a play during the TAMU game that resulted in an ejection stemming from a WR block. Go to the 4:25 mark in this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVux410KTsA
Not sure what the answer is ... but there's got to be something out there to keep away from so many of these situations ...
BTW, the 5:10 mark shows a glimpse of what we're missing with Hall. -
The sooner HS coaches transition to the "rugby tackle" technique, the better.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-the-nfl-can-learn-from-rugby-1442335267But American football coaches say rugby tackling clearly cuts down on the number of dangerous head-to-head collisions. While football players have traditionally been coached to tackle “head across the body, up-high wrap and squeeze,” Ash said, rugby tackling positions the head behind the ball carrier and the contact spot is lower. “So the biggest difference is there are fewer blows to the head,” he said.
According to someone there, at a practice sessions open to coaches during the Spring Clinic, UW was running a full-speed tackling drill for LBs without helmets to reinforce the rugby technique. -
According to someone there, at a practice sessions open to coaches during the Spring Clinic, UW was running a full-speed tackling drill for LBs without helmets to reinforce the rugby technique.GrundleStiltzkin said:The sooner HS coaches transition to the "rugby tackle" technique, the better.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-the-nfl-can-learn-from-rugby-1442335267But American football coaches say rugby tackling clearly cuts down on the number of dangerous head-to-head collisions. While football players have traditionally been coached to tackle “head across the body, up-high wrap and squeeze,” Ash said, rugby tackling positions the head behind the ball carrier and the contact spot is lower. “So the biggest difference is there are fewer blows to the head,” he said.
Peterman is teaching them the right way to tackle and they STILL can't get Jared Goff to the ground.
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Old enough to die in illegal wars old enough to die playing football
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Kam Chancellor needs to come out with a Fred Mcgriff like video about how to tackle legally with violence.
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Not old enough to drink or smoke weed though apparently.RaceBannon said:Old enough to die in illegal wars old enough to die playing football
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That's why you go for the knees. Blow out an ACL, save a life
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I/m not sure about Tequilla initial question, but you can't be a 5'9" 160 pound corner and not lower your head to make a tackle. If you try proper form tackling, you will get ran the fuck over by a big RB. AOG might have been right that a lot of you haven't played. A helmet into a ball carriers knee or shin is how a little guy gets a bigger guy down.
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You sound short.RoadDawg55 said:I/m not sure about Tequilla initial question, but you can't be a 5'9" 160 pound corner and not lower your head to make a tackle. If you try proper form tackling, you will get ran the fuck over by a big RB. AOG might have been right that a lot of you haven't played. A helmet into a ball carriers knee or shin is how a little guy gets a bigger guy down.
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I'm actually tall.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You sound short.RoadDawg55 said:I/m not sure about Tequilla initial question, but you can't be a 5'9" 160 pound corner and not lower your head to make a tackle. If you try proper form tackling, you will get ran the fuck over by a big RB. AOG might have been right that a lot of you haven't played. A helmet into a ball carriers knee or shin is how a little guy gets a bigger guy down.
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But now in my Internet head you are 5'7".RoadDawg55 said:
I'm actually tall.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You sound short.RoadDawg55 said:I/m not sure about Tequilla initial question, but you can't be a 5'9" 160 pound corner and not lower your head to make a tackle. If you try proper form tackling, you will get ran the fuck over by a big RB. AOG might have been right that a lot of you haven't played. A helmet into a ball carriers knee or shin is how a little guy gets a bigger guy down.
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The first 5'6" were consensualTierbsHsotBoobs said:
But now in my Internet head you are 5'7".RoadDawg55 said:
I'm actually tall.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You sound short.RoadDawg55 said:I/m not sure about Tequilla initial question, but you can't be a 5'9" 160 pound corner and not lower your head to make a tackle. If you try proper form tackling, you will get ran the fuck over by a big RB. AOG might have been right that a lot of you haven't played. A helmet into a ball carriers knee or shin is how a little guy gets a bigger guy down.
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Add 6 more consensual inches and you're there.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
But now in my Internet head you are 5'7".RoadDawg55 said:
I'm actually tall.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You sound short.RoadDawg55 said:I/m not sure about Tequilla initial question, but you can't be a 5'9" 160 pound corner and not lower your head to make a tackle. If you try proper form tackling, you will get ran the fuck over by a big RB. AOG might have been right that a lot of you haven't played. A helmet into a ball carriers knee or shin is how a little guy gets a bigger guy down.
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He just missed a few apostrophes.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
But now in my Internet head you are 5'7".RoadDawg55 said:
I'm actually tall.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You sound short.RoadDawg55 said:I/m not sure about Tequilla initial question, but you can't be a 5'9" 160 pound corner and not lower your head to make a tackle. If you try proper form tackling, you will get ran the fuck over by a big RB. AOG might have been right that a lot of you haven't played. A helmet into a ball carriers knee or shin is how a little guy gets a bigger guy down.
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With or without cleats? I'm thinking 6'1" at the combine and 5'9" on gameday.RoadDawg55 said:
Add 6 more consensual inches and you're there.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
But now in my Internet head you are 5'7".RoadDawg55 said:
I'm actually tall.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You sound short.RoadDawg55 said:I/m not sure about Tequilla initial question, but you can't be a 5'9" 160 pound corner and not lower your head to make a tackle. If you try proper form tackling, you will get ran the fuck over by a big RB. AOG might have been right that a lot of you haven't played. A helmet into a ball carriers knee or shin is how a little guy gets a bigger guy down.
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I admit that I haven't played ...
What I see is a faster game today with guys that are bigger and faster which leads to more force in collisions. More force leads to great injury potential, particularly in the head.
In some ways, it's what I see a bit in hockey in that you now have a far more wide open game but the amount of concussions going up as there is nothing to break the speed. While the game is far better than the past that was a slower game because in large part the two line pass rule, not sure how many super dangerous head shots there wee due to lower speeds.
I guess the question is have we opened the game up too much and in so doing it leads to more injuries -
Let's take the pads off. Football players have Aussies and Kiwis talkin mad shit about them.
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Honestly, I don't think a little guy going after knees is the cause. And coaches should teach proper form tackling, but it doesn't work for a smaller guy. It just doesn't. I'm not sure if it is because of the spread offenses, but I doubt it. I think it is because it is a huge news story. It's absolutely tragic the kid at Evergreen died. It's not worth it and despite how much I love football, I'm not sure if I will allow my son to play.Tequilla said:I admit that I haven't played ...
What I see is a faster game today with guys that are bigger and faster which leads to more force in collisions. More force leads to great injury potential, particularly in the head.
In some ways, it's what I see a bit in hockey in that you now have a far more wide open game but the amount of concussions going up as there is nothing to break the speed. While the game is far better than the past that was a slower game because in large part the two line pass rule, not sure how many super dangerous head shots there wee due to lower speeds.
I guess the question is have we opened the game up too much and in so doing it leads to more injuries -
Wait til Ivan gets a hold of them
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According to someone there, at a practice sessions open to coaches during the Spring Clinic, UW was running a full-speed tackling drill for LBs without helmets to reinforce the rugby technique.GrundleStiltzkin said:The sooner HS coaches transition to the "rugby tackle" technique, the better.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-the-nfl-can-learn-from-rugby-1442335267But American football coaches say rugby tackling clearly cuts down on the number of dangerous head-to-head collisions. While football players have traditionally been coached to tackle “head across the body, up-high wrap and squeeze,” Ash said, rugby tackling positions the head behind the ball carrier and the contact spot is lower. “So the biggest difference is there are fewer blows to the head,” he said.
You mean like the Cal game?
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People know they can't hit the legs anymore, so they do body shots. All these "safety" rules are in fact making the game less safe.
