Washington Poised For Downturn Under Petersen

Dennis_DeYoung said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

@HeretoBeatmyChest said it best. Pete is good. Give him some fucking time.

Taking last year—a year where he obviously ripped everything down to the studs—as being 'concerning' is a little weird. I hate Babushka as much as the next guy, but let's see what happens this and next year when they get their guys in.

These are a lot of cliches, but in this case I fear they are true because Pete actually does have a system, his kind of guys, etc. Sark had none of that shit. Sark just took over the roster and said F it. So did Neu. I don't even know what Gilby did.

This season will be a lot more diagnostic. Although @RoadDawg55 likes to point to the UCLA game as being the basis of all his fears, that game was really a 'wrong place, wrong time' for everything that was going on last year.

It's instructive to me that we played way, way better as the season went on. You can say that's because we got shitty opponents, but that's not really the case. We played like shit against everyone early and by the end of the year, we blew the doors off 2 mediocre/bad teams (OSU and WSU). If we'd played Hawai'i again at the end of the season, we'd have destroyed them.

I think Pete's record gives him the privilege of a 'half-full glass' look. If you look at last year as a half full glass, the read is pretty simple:

He told everyone to suck it and do it his way. He dicked around a lot to just see what people would do, could do, were willing to do.

By the end of the year, we were really not very bad as he got people to play more 'his way', started using the 'talent' better and minimizing the impact of Miley on shit.

The Okie State game was just another Sark-era setback where people backslid with mental intensity. We actually played well in the second half, but it was too late.

This is why people picking us to be shit because we lost players is sort of missing the point. Shaq did make big plays, true; but when we 'got good' Shaq was almost irrelevant. MP was clearly irrelevant, it was really just Danny (who was totally inconsistent before last year) and Hau'oli who had only been good against crap teams.

I should just erase this poast as it's Teqfuckinglong, but I'm hung over so I'm typing. Fuck it.

We played well against Illinois and Cal early in the year. Cal on the road was probably the best game of the season. I don't buy that the team improved so much late in the year. They were average. Some weeks they played reasonably well, other weeks not so much. That's what average teams do.

And more power to you for keeping the optimism in the face of last season's results. I get that it's only one season, but The assessment that Pete came in and said, "Fuck it, we are doing this my way" might have some merit, but his offenses have been shit for three years.

I agree that things should get better with time, but still. There are plenty of things to be concerned about.

You're just bitter because Miley turned out to be a bag of shit and you thought he was great. So, you're overly cynical because you—even during games—thought we were getting decent-to-good QB play.

If you ever want to make yourself feel like a fuck wad, you should definitely go back in to game threads from last year and read your Miley dooging. It was unstoppable.

I read through one of them a couple months ago for some laps, because obviously I was being an insane idiot, and your Miley dooging gave me a few uncontrollable cringes.

Anyway, none of that matters. But, I do think it explains your cynicism when it comes to people and how we performed last season.

I've admitted many times that Miley sucked and I was wrong, but okay. I'm still waiting for Lavon Coleman to prove he shouldn't be playing at Montana. I'm not bitter about anything. We played worse when the other QB's got their chance. Miley and the QB's were a large part of the problem. 3 years of bad offense is three years Denny. We've had these threads many times already so there isn't a need to hash it out again.

Miles was less of a problem than Smith

I don't think 3 years is a trend, at least not with 2 different programs, two different rosters, and 3 different starting QBs:

2012: Joe Southwick

2013: Grant Hendrick

2014: Cyler Miles (also starts by Lindquist and Troy Williams).

I wonder how Petersen would've done in 2014 at BSU with Hendrick returning at QB, Jay Ajayi returning at RB, and his top 2 WRs returning as well...I have to imagine the BSU's offense would've improved under CP in 2014 like it did under Bryan Harsin.

RoadDawg55 said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

@HeretoBeatmyChest said it best. Pete is good. Give him some fucking time.

Taking last year—a year where he obviously ripped everything down to the studs—as being 'concerning' is a little weird. I hate Babushka as much as the next guy, but let's see what happens this and next year when they get their guys in.

These are a lot of cliches, but in this case I fear they are true because Pete actually does have a system, his kind of guys, etc. Sark had none of that shit. Sark just took over the roster and said F it. So did Neu. I don't even know what Gilby did.

This season will be a lot more diagnostic. Although @RoadDawg55 likes to point to the UCLA game as being the basis of all his fears, that game was really a 'wrong place, wrong time' for everything that was going on last year.

It's instructive to me that we played way, way better as the season went on. You can say that's because we got shitty opponents, but that's not really the case. We played like shit against everyone early and by the end of the year, we blew the doors off 2 mediocre/bad teams (OSU and WSU). If we'd played Hawai'i again at the end of the season, we'd have destroyed them.

I think Pete's record gives him the privilege of a 'half-full glass' look. If you look at last year as a half full glass, the read is pretty simple:

He told everyone to suck it and do it his way. He dicked around a lot to just see what people would do, could do, were willing to do.

By the end of the year, we were really not very bad as he got people to play more 'his way', started using the 'talent' better and minimizing the impact of Miley on shit.

The Okie State game was just another Sark-era setback where people backslid with mental intensity. We actually played well in the second half, but it was too late.

This is why people picking us to be shit because we lost players is sort of missing the point. Shaq did make big plays, true; but when we 'got good' Shaq was almost irrelevant. MP was clearly irrelevant, it was really just Danny (who was totally inconsistent before last year) and Hau'oli who had only been good against crap teams.

I should just erase this poast as it's Teqfuckinglong, but I'm hung over so I'm typing. Fuck it.

We played well against Illinois and Cal early in the year. Cal on the road was probably the best game of the season. I don't buy that the team improved so much late in the year. They were average. Some weeks they played reasonably well, other weeks not so much. That's what average teams do.

And more power to you for keeping the optimism in the face of last season's results. I get that it's only one season, but The assessment that Pete came in and said, "Fuck it, we are doing this my way" has some merit, but his offenses have been shit for three years. That's a trend.

I've admitted many times that Miley sucked and I was wrong, but okay. I'm still waiting for Lavon Coleman to prove he shouldn't be playing at Montana. I'm not bitter about anything. We played worse when the other QB's got their chance. Miley and the QB's were a large part of the problem. 3 years of bad offense is three years Denny. We've had these threads many times already so there isn't a need to hash it out again.

I'm sick and tired of your lying bullshit Roadie. BSU had a fucking top 25 offense in 2013. 22nd in yds per game (476) and 20th in pts per game (37.5). Pete had ONE average year at BSU in 2012 when he was replacing the most productive QB in the history of college football. BSU also happened to go 11-2 that year including the Vegas Bowl victory over UW. So who fucking cares about offensive stats when your team goes 11-2?

Like someone else pointed out in this thread, the two years CP has had an average offense ('12 &'14) he's had shitty QB play. There's not a coach in the country that can produce a top 25 offense without a decent QB. Miley can't throw a football farther than 10 yards. How the fuck do you run an offense with that? The play calling last year lacked creativity because we were held back by shitty QB play. A lot of what CP does on offense is allow the QB to call plays and make changes at the LOS. Kellen Moore was a master at doing this. At the LOS he was able to see the mismatches in personnel and call the correct play to exploit the mismatch. Do you think Miley could do this? Fuck no!

You need the right QB to run Petes offense. Sark left Pete a bunch of fucktards. That's why Pete went out of his way and had been recruiting Browning since he was a freshman. I have confidence that once Browning takes over at QB the offense is going to be just as explosive as it was at BSU. He's going to struggle at first and take his lumps but when he gains the experience and confidence he's going to be great. I expect growing pains this year but we'll all see glimpses of what's to come. Expect 5 or 6 wins this year if Browning starts. Next year 9 or 10 wins.

#StraightUpDoogin

purpledoogfan said:

I've admitted many times that Miley sucked and I was wrong, but okay. I'm still waiting for Lavon Coleman to prove he shouldn't be playing at Montana. I'm not bitter about anything. We played worse when the other QB's got their chance. Miley and the QB's were a large part of the problem. 3 years of bad offense is three years Denny. We've had these threads many times already so there isn't a need to hash it out again.

I'm sick and tired of your lying bullshit Roadie. BSU had a fucking top 25 offense in 2013. 22nd in yds per game (476) and 20th in pts per game (37.5). Pete had ONE average year at BSU in 2012 when he was replacing the most productive QB in the history of college football. BSU also happened to go 11-2 that year including the Vegas Bowl victory over UW. So who fucking cares about offensive stats when your team goes 11-2?

Like someone else pointed out in this thread, the two years CP has had an average offense ('12 &'14) he's had shitty QB play. There's not a coach in the country that can produce a top 25 offense without a decent QB. Miley can't throw a football farther than 10 yards. How the fuck do you run an offense with that? The play calling last year lacked creativity because we were held back by shitty QB play. A lot of what CP does on offense is allow the QB to call plays and make changes at the LOS. Kellen Moore was a master at doing this. At the LOS he was able to see the mismatches in personnel and call the correct play to exploit the mismatch. Do you think Miley could do this? Fuck no!

You need the right QB to run Petes offense. Sark left Pete a bunch of fucktards. That's why Pete went out of his way and had been recruiting Browning since he was a freshman. I have confidence that once Browning takes over at QB the offense is going to be just as explosive as it was at BSU. He's going to struggle at first and take his lumps but when he gains the experience and confidence he's going to be great. I expect growing pains this year but we'll all see glimpses of what's to come. Expect 5 or 6 wins this year if Browning starts. Next year 9 or 10 wins.

#StraightUpDoogin


I don't disagree with a lot of your post, but relying on Miley to do shit he couldn't do was FS. What makes some coaches great is the ability to maximize the talent at hand and fit their schemes to the talent. We had shitty talent, no question. The coaching was shit too. Jmo based on the results.

Kellen Moore was an exceptional QB. Can Pete field a good offense without a Moore? There are issues on the offensive side of the ball. You are a fucking idiot if you believe otherwise.

You hope Browning will be good. I do too. Realistically, he won't be as good as Kellen Moore though.

This is a message board. We talk the good, bad, and ugly. And right now our offense is a 300 pound whale with blisters and warts on her pussy. Forgive me for not having blind faith that the offense will roll after we finished dead fucking last in the PAC 12 last year.

And Boise State scored 6 points at Husky Stadium. With multiple NFL players. That offense sucked.

RoadDawg55 said:

Malzahn and Chip Kelly had great offenses with shit QB's. Wisconsin runs it down the throat of the other team with mostly bad QB play.

The offense sucked last year. Fuck your excuses. It needs to be better.

Are you fucking kidding me? Is this is whoosh?

Auburn and Oregon can get away with below average QB play because their offense is LOADED with elite talent. Their players have also been playing in the same offensive system for years. Fuck you for even comparing our shitty offensive players to Auburn and Oregon.

Wisconsin can run it down other teams throats because they recruit talented feces in their throats OL. Again, fuck you for comparing UW's shitty OL to Wisconsin.

Here's the truth about what CP and Smith had to work with. The most explosive playmaker (Ross) had to be moved to defense. Our All-American LB had to start 3 games at RB. The starting QB was hurt and couldn't throw past 10 yards. Jaydon Mickens is the best player UW has on offense.

Show me one coach in America who can turn that shit sandwich into filet mignon.

purpledoogfan said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Malzahn and Chip Kelly had great offenses with shit QB's. Wisconsin runs it down the throat of the other team with mostly bad QB play.

The offense sucked last year. Fuck your excuses. It needs to be better.

Are you fucking kidding me? Is this is whoosh?

Auburn and Oregon can get away with below average QB play because their offense is LOADED with elite talent. Their players have also been playing in the same offensive system for years. Fuck you for even comparing our shitty offensive players to Auburn and Oregon.

Wisconsin can run it down other teams throats because they recruit talented feces in their throats OL. Again, fuck you for comparing UW's shitty OL to Wisconsin.

Here's the truth about what CP and Smith had to work with. The most explosive playmaker (Ross) had to be moved to defense. Our All-American LB had to start 3 games at RB. The starting QB was hurt and couldn't throw past 10 yards. Jaydon Mickens is the best player UW has on offense.

Show me one coach in America who can turn that shit sandwich into filet mignon.

Early Oregon teams weren't that loaded. What's Barner or LaMichael James doing these days? Their best WR back then was a white walk-on if i recall correctly.

They did have shit QBs, but they had a system that got the most out of what they had. Later they got great talent in a great system.