One thing for us to keep in mind

Doogles said:

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

I get the OL commentary, but not really when you factor in the difference between Sankey and name your favorite 2014 RB as well as the QB issues.

If you eliminate runs from QBs and any fake punt attempts from the yardage, you get the following:

2013: 501 runs for 2,758 yards = 5.5 yards per carry
2014: 457 runs for 2,245 yards = 4.9 yards per carry

Yes, I get that a half yard per carry is relatively significant. But at the same time, if you tell me that on average we get 5 yards per running play with average at best line play and a QB that lacks the arm strength to make a defense worry about the down field throw, then I'm not exactly unhappy with the running game.

I would be very surprised if at the end of the year if we run the same analytics that the 2015 number will be south of 4.9 yards per carry.

Sankey made a big difference, but you also can't tell me the OL made any strides from 2013. They were the same, possibly even slightly worse. I don't know what there was to disagree with. It was a pretty factual (as much as player development can be) post.

It was a mixed bag. You're one the the posters that gets in a tiffy when anything but compliments are bestowed on Petersen. He's a proven talent developer and should be much better than Sark in that area. However, there were plenty of examples on last year's team where guys stayed the same or got worse, which I mentioned. Pretending otherwise is some major dooging.

Most guys, especially in technically skilled positions like the OL, take a step back before they step forward. The OL was worse, they also unexpectedly lost their leader Riva before the season started. Compound that with relearning how to move your body in the trenches and it's easy to see why the OL struggled.

No doubt 4 years of Cozz screaming into your face caused some deaf ears for the upperclassmen "anchoring" the line. If the line this season looks out of sync scheme wise by Pac-12 play, i'll join in your concern over its development.

That's an important point to consider: how the change in OL play affected the OL. We transitioned from a zone blocking scheme to a man blocking scheme. Different ways to handle pass blocking and run blocking. Also different ways to pick up players on stunts and blitzes. For a number of players, this was their first time doing a man blocking scheme, so it's not surprising to see some of these veterans struggle. Then again, you have someone like Micha Hatchie who is suddenly a lot better, especially with how he got into the second level at the end of the year.

Then again, the OL looked like shit in the spring, so maybe we're screwed. Who knows.

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

I get the OL commentary, but not really when you factor in the difference between Sankey and name your favorite 2014 RB as well as the QB issues.

If you eliminate runs from QBs and any fake punt attempts from the yardage, you get the following:

2013: 501 runs for 2,758 yards = 5.5 yards per carry
2014: 457 runs for 2,245 yards = 4.9 yards per carry

Yes, I get that a half yard per carry is relatively significant. But at the same time, if you tell me that on average we get 5 yards per running play with average at best line play and a QB that lacks the arm strength to make a defense worry about the down field throw, then I'm not exactly unhappy with the running game.

I would be very surprised if at the end of the year if we run the same analytics that the 2015 number will be south of 4.9 yards per carry.

Sankey made a big difference, but you also can't tell me the OL made any strides from 2013. They were the same, possibly even slightly worse. I don't know what there was to disagree with. It was a pretty factual (as much as player development can be) post.

It was a mixed bag. You're one the the posters that gets in a tiffy when anything but compliments are bestowed on Petersen. He's a proven talent developer and should be much better than Sark in that area. However, there were plenty of examples on last year's team where guys stayed the same or got worse, which I mentioned. Pretending otherwise is some major dooging.

Downvoted for caring whether you are disagreed with or not.

I didn't say that the OL made strides in 2014 YoY. What I did say is that when you account for the fact that Sankey was Sankey and a massive difference between Price and Miles, that while the YoY difference was a little more than a half yard per carry, that if you tell me that I have an OL that gets me roughly 5 yards per carry on average that it's going to be hard for me to complain too much about things. That's a recipe for success for this team IF we can consistently get 5 yards per carry on average out of the RBs.

I have no problem calling Petersen out for any number of things when it is warranted. But I'm also not going to go crazy at this point and act like a complete know it all armchair QB at ANYTHING that he does that is wrong. Mistakes are going to be made by everybody ... even the very best. Shit happens. You cite that Petersen is a significant upgrade in developing talent compared to Seven (agree 100% with that) and that there are examples where players didn't improve or regressed (which is a true statement in any program).

However, since you have asked, I'll give a quick run down of some of my bigger criticisms of Petersen over the last 18 months (in no particular order):

"Skinny" Eason's recruitment: Petersen recruited like he was in the WAC and waited to offer him until it was too late ... on the plus side he seems to have learned a lot from this and we are finding that he's getting in on kids earlier and earlier. On the other side of things, it's also fair to question whether Eason was dead set on leaving the State of Washington as well as questioning how much the recruitment and presence of Jake Browning had on Eason. It's far from a black/white situation to me.

Jonathan Smith as OC: Understand Petersen focusing on hiring coaches that have coached under him, etc. to aide him in the transition. Smith had a very lukewarm first year as any instance where you could see signs of him making good to great calls as an OC were often followed by some highly questionable ones. The jury is most assuredly still out on him. At this point, I'm keeping an open mind on this because I think even the best of OC's would have been very challenged being a good play caller with Miley Cyrus playing QB.

Pease as a WR coach: There's plenty of red flags on Pease in his background that make you come to the conclusion that he's very likely a massive jackass. The fact that he's the position coach in the one position where you can very much question recruiting historically under Petersen I don't think is coincidental. I'm probably more questionable about Pease going forward than I am with Smith because I could at least see signs with Smith where he'd make solid play calls and very often when he'd call some trick plays, notably with our best QB last year in Marvin Hall, those plays seems to work at least 81% of the time.

Fake Punt Call vs Stanford: Petersen's welcome to the PAC moment as he learned that he wasn't able to get away with some of the same shit he got away with in the WAC coaching against complete dumbfucks most of the time. On the other hand, I'm sure he was also looking at the ineptitude of Miley Cyrus and was thinking that he had to create something to get the winning score. I get the thought process ... just don't agree with the decision.

Fumble against Arizona: Most have criticized @TheChart for the piss poor play calling that led to the fumble. Given the time left on the clock from what I remember being in the stadium I don't recall the clock allowing the ability to run the clock out with simple knees. However, I do think that it's within reason to criticize the coaching of Miles in such situations as the preceding series of downs saw Miles snap the ball with anywhere from 3 to 7 seconds left on the play clock. Had more effective coaching of Miles occurred and those snaps bled just a handful of seconds off the clock, the ability to take a knee instead of running the ball would have resulted and the win sealed. Often it's the inability to execute the smallest of details (which happened in that game in spades) that decide the outcome of a close game. And while I'm not surprised that this fact was lost on many of Seven's mental midgets, it was very disappointing to see that Petersen hadn't been able to completely coach that out of them.

brchco12 said:

Tequilla gotta tequilla;dr

I get called out ... I gotta respond

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Dardanus said:

PGOS - you have received the Gilby/Fleenor double awesome! Congrats!
You're two thirds of the way to a lemon party...keep up the great poasting!

not a dry eye in the PGOS harem

I don't get this. He wins some award for saying nobody reads my posts. But if that is true, then why does he win an award since he would have to read my posts in order to say nobody reads my posts.

Also, people need to stop with the excuse of so-and-so's players on the team are the problem. All that does is create a bunch of fucking message board posts. It's right in there with "team is young".... also somebody pointed out that the OL changed blocking schemes, and that was the cause of problems. BULL-FUCKING-SHIT. Those dudes , for one thing, are ready to rumble in any scheme... also a guy who has played at this level knows what the hell the different scheme is.

ApostleofGrief said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Dardanus said:

PGOS - you have received the Gilby/Fleenor double awesome! Congrats!
You're two thirds of the way to a lemon party...keep up the great poasting!

not a dry eye in the PGOS harem

I don't get this. He wins some award for saying nobody reads my posts. But if that is true, then why does he win an award since he would have to read my posts in order to say nobody reads my posts.

Also, people need to stop with the excuse of so-and-so's players on the team are the problem. All that does is create a bunch of fucking message board posts. It's right in there with "team is young".... also somebody pointed out that the OL changed blocking schemes, and that was the cause of problems. BULL-FUCKING-SHIT. Those dudes , for one thing, are ready to rumble in any scheme... also a guy who has played at this level knows what the hell the different scheme is.

uhhh

MisterEm said:

DerekJohnson said:

MisterEm said:

bananasnblondes said:

If UW can get a RB to step up and perform at a high level, it will make a world of difference.

Disagree.

Give me consistent OL and competent QB play and the RB will take care of itself.

A world class RB on the other hand, will not mask the play of a mediocre line and/or QB.

Marshawn Lynch has been masking a mediocre Seahawks line for years

So Russell Wilson is Cyler Miles?

Even Tarvaris could throw a 25 yard fade.

Way to adress only the part of the argument that suits your comment. Next.

EDIT: The Seahawks "mediocre" line includes the individual awards given out to the likes of Unger (former) and Okung. Correct?

Atoe, Tufunga, Criste, et al...couldn't sniff an individual award in 4+ years.

If the Seahawks line is mediocre, the Huskies line is/was DIII, at best. But still...

The Seahawks can't pass block worth shit. But thanks for playing.

ApostleofGrief said:

well, even if the prestitious fleenor-sweetman award is prestigious, I still don't see how PGOS is going to make room in his mom's basement for a harem. It's also still an unexplained mystery to me how he says nobody reads my posts, yet he seems to downvote and troll virtually all of my posts. So under that reasoning, when he says "nobody" he is in fact referring to himself. Nobody.

Mercer Island has big basements

Also, lighten up francis

RoadDawg55 said:

bananasnblondes said:

Last year provided reason for hope on this front.

Kikaha, Shelton, and Thompson were all good players in 2013, but their output greatly increased last year.

Several of the true frosh played like veteran players:
Buttah, Sidey Jones IX, Pettis

If UW can get a RB to step up and perform at a high level, it will make a world of difference.

The guys you mentioned got better. And Petersen deserves credit. At the same time, sometimes guys just get better as they get older. Kevin Smith was way better as a senior than in his previous years. Bishop Sankey was good as a sophomore. He was great as a junior. Ducre was way better as a senior.

The stars on defense and Andrew Hudseon got better, but on the whole it was a mixed bag. The OL wasn't any better and was possibly worse. Timu, Feeney, and Littleton didn't really look any better. The rest of the offense hadn't played much, but we didn't see any big improvements out of any of those guys either.

Petersen's Boise State teams were more indicative of a coach that is a strong developer of talent than last year at UW.

Uh, no shit. That's how it's supposed to work, you know? You get better at things in life with practice, knowledge, and experience. To think a player sucks if they're not first on the depth chart by their first or second year in a program is one massive, huge crock of shit.

RoadDawg55 said:

Joe Stephanson said:

RoadDawg55 said:

bananasnblondes said:

Last year provided reason for hope on this front.

Kikaha, Shelton, and Thompson were all good players in 2013, but their output greatly increased last year.

Several of the true frosh played like veteran players:
Buttah, Sidey Jones IX, Pettis

If UW can get a RB to step up and perform at a high level, it will make a world of difference.

The guys you mentioned got better. And Petersen deserves credit. At the same time, sometimes guys just get better as they get older. Kevin Smith was way better as a senior than in his previous years. Bishop Sankey was good as a sophomore. He was great as a junior. Ducre was way better as a senior.

The stars on defense and Andrew Hudseon got better, but on the whole it was a mixed bag. The OL wasn't any better and was possibly worse. Timu, Feeney, and Littleton didn't really look any better. The rest of the offense hadn't played much, but we didn't see any big improvements out of any of those guys either.

Petersen's Boise State teams were more indicative of a coach that is a strong developer of talent than last year at UW.

Uh, no shit. That's how it's supposed to work, you know? You get better at things in life with practice, knowledge, and experience. To think a player sucks if they're not first on the depth chart by their first or second year in a program is one massive, huge crock of shit.

Agree, but it depends. At a good program it can be hard to crack the depth. At UW the past 10-15 years, if a player wasn't in the two deeps by their R-Fr or Sophomore year, they were useless.

I think that is the same at most schools that recruit consistently and smartly. Baring injury issues or some other non-football issue if a player hasn't shown promise to stick in the two deep by end of 2nd or early 3rd year it usually just doesn't happen. Especially after two or three classes come in behind them.