Mariners now at .500.... Felix improves to 8-1 1.91

Not an all time great until he wins 20 games!

DerekJohnson said:

dnc said:

Not an all time great until he wins 20 games!

That is correct. Jesus you're pressing lately.

No, it is not correct.

The Yankees are in 1st place.

Tequilla said:

Disagree.

Tied with the Angels at this point ... Astros will fall back to the pack and finish the year between 80-85 wins. Rangers don't have enough pitching. A's dumpster fire.

First priority is getting into the playoffs.

Second priority is winning the division to avoid having to pitch Felix in a WC game.

This team will look far different 50 games from now than it does presently (I expect at least 1-2 significant trades between now and the end of July).

This baseball team does not suck.

RoadDawg55 said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

Tequilla said:

I'm well versed w this franchise history

That's clearly not true.

If it was true, you would know even more than I that #TheSeasonIsOver.

In case you haven't noticed, Tequilla is always overly optimistic about the teams he follows.

Why wouldn't I be? It's not a lot of fun being pessimistic all the time. Big difference between optimistic and detached from reality

DerekJohnson said:

Other All-Time Greats according to DNC:

You can't flag a moderator's post, even when he's arguing Felix Hernandez = Mark Langston

@dnc, why is WHIP considered a worthless stat?

Tequilla said:

CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:

Pitcher wins, the most worthless stat of all-time. The End.

Exhibit A: Fernando Rodney got a win the other day for giving up 3 runs in 1 inning and blowing a save. PITCHER WINS!

I'd expect you to say that a save is a more worthless stat than a win ...

I don't think that a win is completely worthless ... for relievers yes ... for starters no. The job of a starter is to put his team in position to win the game.

And I would argue that Felix does that more than any other pitcher in baseball over the past 7 years or so. But that doesn't show up in the form of "wins".

RoadDawg55 said:

@dnc, why is WHIP considered a worthless stat?

I don't want to bore everyone here with defense independent pitching (dips) theory, but whip is a a poor stat since it consists primarily of hits allowed, which has as much or more to do with the defense than the pitcher. Pitchers can essentially control three things: walks, strikeouts and the trajectory of batted balls (groundball vs flyball). Over tim there is very little variance in batting average on balls in play (BABIP) between the best and worst pitchers, but much bigger fluctuations between the BABIP allowed by teams, which suggests the quality of the defenders play a bigger part in batting average allowed (and by extension, hits allowed) than the pitchers.

There are a few exceptions - ground ball pitchers tend to have higher batting averages allowed than fly ball pitchers since it's easier to turn a flyball into an out (but ground ball pitchers still have an advantage because groundballs have much lower slugging percentages than flyballs). Knuckleballers also seem to be an exception to dips theory - a good knuckleballer can post much lower than expected BABIP against. And a few pitchers at the extremes can outperform their expected BABIP's, primarily control specialists like Jamie Moyer. But the difference then is still minimal, and the exceptions are rare.

There, much more than this bored ever wanted to hear about dips.

TL; DR - WHIP is a poor stat because the primary component (hits allowed) is mostly out of the pitchers control. Also, TSIO.