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Of course the SEC SEC SEC was the big winner out of all this.
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It's really a shame those UT fucks let greed stand in the way of saying yes to a Pac-16 megaconference. The Pac could still grab a few big fish when the Big-12 inevitably implodes. But now we're stuck with UU and CU.
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Biggest problem with Pac12 network was Scott wanting to do the whole thing himself, instead of partnering like the SEC did and giving ESPN a (large) cut.
Wimbeldon Larry should just sell all theassetscouches off and take ESPN or Fox on as a partner. But my guess is he thinks DirectTV getting bought out by AT&T will solve everything. It probably wont. DirectTV seems to be the least of their problems. They don't have the money or the knowledge to execute his plan. -
FtfyTTJ said:It's really a shame those UT fucks let greed stand in the way of saying yes to a Pac-16 megaconference. The Pac could still grab a few big fish when the Big-12 inevitably implodes. But now we're stuck with
UU and CUWSU.
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Pac 12 network gets a lot of shit on here, but it's objectively been a big success and is generating a lot of revenue. No, it's not going to come close to the SEC network for the same reason as Pac games generally struggle to sell out: not as many people give a shit.
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Maybe I'm being Wooshed, but still...PostGameOrangeSlices said:Pac 12 network gets a lot of shit on here, but it's objectively been a big success and is generating a lot of revenue. No, it's not going to come close to the SEC network for the same reason as Pac games generally struggle to sell out: not as many people give a shit.
The TV deals with ABC/ESPN are generating almost all of the revenue. The Pac12 network itself generates very little money right now. The latest figure was a $1M distribution per school. That's GARBAGE. Broke ass schools like Utah are starting to bitch about it publicly to the press...so I would assume other Pac12 schools aren't exactly pumped about it either.
Here was the Utah AD quoted to his local rag earlier this month:
“If you look at what the Big 10 is going to be getting from their network, $10 million, and we are going to be getting $1 million, it’s a little bit tough. I know it’s going to be reevaluated and the models are going to be looked at. … They are going to take a look at the landscape and determine if they should be sticking with the model … or move in another direction.
“We are getting a million dollars from the Pac-12 network and about 17 million from ESPN and Fox, and then there is some deductions from some stuff too.”
In a related note, Hill mentioned that Utah may not be as well off in the money department as the public thinks.
“We are not loaded,” he said. “Everyone thinks we’re loaded and I don’t know what to do about it, that’s a real challenge. … I’m not whining, forget that, I’m just saying that we’re not loaded.”
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This. There's a lot of things I'd change about P12Net. But it's been successful.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Pac 12 network gets a lot of shit on here, but it's objectively been a big success and is generating a lot of revenue. No, it's not going to come close to the SEC network for the same reason as Pac games generally struggle to sell out: not as many people give a shit.
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I thought the Pac was generating more revenue than the Big Maryland?
As usual I'm talking out my ass and have no links or sources. If you want to bitch I'll be on Aurora with brass knucks in my backpack
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It should be generating more revenue (10x difference between big10 and Pac12 goes beyond demographics in my opinion). Maybe one day it will.PostGameOrangeSlices said:I thought the Pac was generating more revenue than the Big Maryland?
As usual I'm talking out my ass and have no links or sources. If you want to bitch I'll be on Aurora with brass knucks in my backpack
Wimbeldon Larry decided to cut out the middle man (ESPN/Fox) and build the entire network himself. If that plan works it should generate more profit and more distributions as he doesn't have to share the profit (ESPN gets 50% from SECN), if he fails to execute that plan it wont....right now looks like the later is occurring.
I wouldn't think Pac12N is completely fucked, they just might have to fire Larry Scott, or tell him to change the strategy to partner with ESPN/Fox like the SEC has for their network. -
This point goes back to why I linked the article... it's all about programming. Texas' Network has like 2 football games a year and everything else is wankery for fans... expect the fans don't give a fuck over all the wank that's not football.BallSacked said:
It should be generating more revenue (10x difference between big10 and Pac12 goes beyond demographics in my opinion). Maybe one day it will.PostGameOrangeSlices said:I thought the Pac was generating more revenue than the Big Maryland?
As usual I'm talking out my ass and have no links or sources. If you want to bitch I'll be on Aurora with brass knucks in my backpack
Wimbeldon Larry decided to cut out the middle man (ESPN/Fox) and build the entire network himself. If that plan works it should generate more profit and more distributions as he doesn't have to share the profit (ESPN gets 50% from SECN), if he fails to execute that plan it wont....right now looks like the later is occurring.
I wouldn't think Pac12N is completely fucked, they just might have to fire Larry Scott, or tell him to change the strategy to partner with ESPN/Fox like the SEC has for their network.
If the Pac-12 Network wants to be successful, it needs to have programming that people care about... aka football programming year round. -
CHRISTwhatshouldicareabout said:
This point goes back to why I linked the article... it's all about programming. Texas' Network has like 2 football games a year and everything else is wankery for fans... expect the fans don't give a fuck over all the wank that's not football.BallSacked said:
It should be generating more revenue (10x difference between big10 and Pac12 goes beyond demographics in my opinion). Maybe one day it will.PostGameOrangeSlices said:I thought the Pac was generating more revenue than the Big Maryland?
As usual I'm talking out my ass and have no links or sources. If you want to bitch I'll be on Aurora with brass knucks in my backpack
Wimbeldon Larry decided to cut out the middle man (ESPN/Fox) and build the entire network himself. If that plan works it should generate more profit and more distributions as he doesn't have to share the profit (ESPN gets 50% from SECN), if he fails to execute that plan it wont....right now looks like the later is occurring.
I wouldn't think Pac12N is completely fucked, they just might have to fire Larry Scott, or tell him to change the strategy to partner with ESPN/Fox like the SEC has for their network.
If the Pac-12 Network wants to be successful, it needs to have programming that people care about... aka football programming year round.
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Can we kick fucking Utah out? God they suck.
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Dennis_DeYoung said:
Can we kick fucking UW and WSU out? God they suck.
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Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.
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Low tweak.Doogles said:Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.
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Clueless. Especially as fan who had its program gobbled up by a rival that has been pouring $ into football for over a decade.Doogles said:Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.
Motherfucking do it.
More money is a big deal. It matters.
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Define success.TTJ said:
This. There's a lot of things I'd change about P12Net. But it's been successful.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Pac 12 network gets a lot of shit on here, but it's objectively been a big success and is generating a lot of revenue. No, it's not going to come close to the SEC network for the same reason as Pac games generally struggle to sell out: not as many people give a shit.
It ain't the money
It ain't the fact we get to watch CU vs. WSU at 8 o'clock at night...in analog... with equipment from the 60's
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More money = better coaches.Doogles said:Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.
Motherfucking do it.
Notice how the conference went from Wulff, Erickson, Stoops, and Embree to Leach, Graham, RichRod, and McIntyre in one year after the TV deal? Do you think the conference would've been better had they paid Carroll, Harbaugh, Kelly, etc. more? -
You missed the point. Money matters, but once you cross a certain threshold the difference between team a and team b is inconsequential beyond a number in the university's bank account. You could give UW 500 million today and it wouldn't change the stadium already built.BallSacked said:
Clueless. Especially as fan who had its program gobbled up by a rival that has been pouring $ into football for over a decade.Doogles said:Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.
Motherfucking do it.
More money is a big deal. It matters.
I see it identical to the being smart enough theory. If a job requires someone to have a 130 IQ, it doesn't matter if they are at 135 or 160. Once you cross the line you're equally capable.
The Pac, particularly Washington, is across the line. Win or GTFO. -
Even today look on the sidelines of your UW/UCLA/Arizonas vs that of an Alabama. There are loads more coaches and support staff in the SEC than Pac12. They have more money and can afford the additional payroll for that staff. Fuck they pay DCs over $1M/yr in the shit cheap southeast.whatshouldicareabout said:
More money = better coaches.Doogles said:Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.
Motherfucking do it.
Notice how the conference went from Wulff, Erickson, Stoops, and Embree to Leach, Graham, RichRod, and McIntyre in one year after the TV deal? Do you think the conference would've been better had they paid Carroll, Harbaugh, Kelly, etc. more?
I would also guess the pac12 puts more money into spring sports than the SEC. So they take in less and spend more outside of football. Getting more money into the pac12 is critical.
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@BallSacked to bring up the Oregon low tweak, they are a perfect example of a team that decided to get serious and invest. They weren't across the line until they put Nike behind it. Their marketing has been phenomenal and how they've spent the money plus on field results equals what we see today.
But, An extra billion in the program wouldn't help them beat the buckeyes.
Feeling pressure from expectations and knowing you'll be held accountable fuels success. Right now Oregon is the only program in the Pac that chooses to run like a do or die business. The results are predictable.
UW, UCLA play politics. When we choose to play football, the money is there to win. -
I don't know if this is a Pac 12 Network problem or Comcast/xfinity problem but I get 3 Pac12 network stations on my cable. Often they are showing the exact same fucking programming? WTF? FMFYFE.
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Not a tweak, an example of how money transforms a program. Which you agreed with.Doogles said:@BallSacked to bring up the Oregon low tweak, they are a perfect example of a team that decided to get serious and invest. They weren't across the line until they put Nike behind it. Their marketing has been phenomenal and how they've spent the money plus on field results equals what we see today.
But, An extra billion in the program wouldn't help them beat the buckeyes.
Feeling pressure from expectations and knowing you'll be held accountable fuels success. Right now Oregon is the only program in the Pac that chooses to run like a do or die business. The results are predictable.
UW, UCLA play politics. When we choose to play football, the money is there to win.
Then the rest of your incoherent post happened. The Strawman hyperbole of $1B and Ohio State was a speshul kind of fucktarded.
If Peterson had an extra $1B to play with would Jonathon Smith be your OC? Are we done here?
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Coaching is everything. It was not the millions of Nike money that convinced a small timey New Hampshire OC to head to Oregon. They got lucky/wisely hired a great coach. Period. That is all it takes for most P5 teams. Coaching. You are stupid if you think otherwise.
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So you truly believe the Pac doesn't have enough money to compete nationally?
You would think we are fighting with 1 hand behind our back, but that simply isn't the case. Money matters, up to a certain point, but once you cross the baseline all that matters is getting it done on the field.
We have private jets, arguably the best medical training staffs in the country, state of the art stadium, million dollar coaches, etc. It's about having enough to get the athletes to come to your school, and then developing them into winners.
And as far as coaching salaries go, if you can't see that it's an old boys club racket, I can't help you. Do you think Sark is a better coach now that he's paid more? He's the same piece of shit with a higher price tag.
There is enough here to keep quality coaches in place, which is ultimately what matters. The difference between us and the SEC is they aren't afraid to pay Nick Saban money that puts into question the integrity of what's important about college athletics. The cost benefit analysis shows Saban pays for himself. The Pac is smart enough to know this, problem is we like to keep up the appearance that school matters and balk at the price tag to save face for the academics. -
I never said can't compete. But I'm not arguing that more money doesn't help - that's your argument, verbatim. And it's a pretty stupid one.
SEC teams dont hire inexperienced Jonathon Smiths or Jeff Ulbrichs as coordinators at 300K or so. They pay John Chavis and Muschamp 1.5M/yr. That doesn't matter? Thats just what we can observe, behind the scenes my guess is the support staff behind their coaches are much larger. -
Didn't Nick Holt have a 3 year/2.5m salary? Petersen's hands weren't tied by finances when he hired our fucktard of an OC.
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Disagree.BallSacked said:
Even today look on the sidelines of your UW/UCLA/Arizonas vs that of an Alabama. There are loads more coaches and support staff in the SEC than Pac12. They have more money and can afford the additional payroll for that staff. Fuck they pay DCs over $1M/yr in the shit cheap southeast.whatshouldicareabout said:
More money = better coaches.Doogles said:Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.
Motherfucking do it.
Notice how the conference went from Wulff, Erickson, Stoops, and Embree to Leach, Graham, RichRod, and McIntyre in one year after the TV deal? Do you think the conference would've been better had they paid Carroll, Harbaugh, Kelly, etc. more?
I would also guess the pac12 puts more money into spring sports than the SEC. So they take in less and spend more outside of football. Getting more money into the pac12 is critical.
See the 2015 NCAA softball bracket for details. -
Flagged for asking me to google "Softball Brackets".
