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  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,897 Swaye's Wigwam
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    Of course the SEC SEC SEC was the big winner out of all this.
  • BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    Biggest problem with Pac12 network was Scott wanting to do the whole thing himself, instead of partnering like the SEC did and giving ESPN a (large) cut.

    Wimbeldon Larry should just sell all the assets couches off and take ESPN or Fox on as a partner. But my guess is he thinks DirectTV getting bought out by AT&T will solve everything. It probably wont. DirectTV seems to be the least of their problems. They don't have the money or the knowledge to execute his plan.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 45,011 Standard Supporter
    TTJ said:

    It's really a shame those UT fucks let greed stand in the way of saying yes to a Pac-16 megaconference. The Pac could still grab a few big fish when the Big-12 inevitably implodes. But now we're stuck with UU and CU WSU.

    Ftfy

  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,897 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited May 2015
    Pac 12 network gets a lot of shit on here, but it's objectively been a big success and is generating a lot of revenue. No, it's not going to come close to the SEC network for the same reason as Pac games generally struggle to sell out: not as many people give a shit.
  • BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279

    Pac 12 network gets a lot of shit on here, but it's objectively been a big success and is generating a lot of revenue. No, it's not going to come close to the SEC network for the same reason as Pac games generally struggle to sell out: not as many people give a shit.

    Maybe I'm being Wooshed, but still...

    The TV deals with ABC/ESPN are generating almost all of the revenue. The Pac12 network itself generates very little money right now. The latest figure was a $1M distribution per school. That's GARBAGE. Broke ass schools like Utah are starting to bitch about it publicly to the press...so I would assume other Pac12 schools aren't exactly pumped about it either.

    Here was the Utah AD quoted to his local rag earlier this month:
    “If you look at what the Big 10 is going to be getting from their network, $10 million, and we are going to be getting $1 million, it’s a little bit tough. I know it’s going to be reevaluated and the models are going to be looked at. … They are going to take a look at the landscape and determine if they should be sticking with the model … or move in another direction.

    “We are getting a million dollars from the Pac-12 network and about 17 million from ESPN and Fox, and then there is some deductions from some stuff too.”

    In a related note, Hill mentioned that Utah may not be as well off in the money department as the public thinks.

    “We are not loaded,” he said. “Everyone thinks we’re loaded and I don’t know what to do about it, that’s a real challenge. … I’m not whining, forget that, I’m just saying that we’re not loaded.”


  • TTJTTJ Member Posts: 4,821

    Pac 12 network gets a lot of shit on here, but it's objectively been a big success and is generating a lot of revenue. No, it's not going to come close to the SEC network for the same reason as Pac games generally struggle to sell out: not as many people give a shit.

    This. There's a lot of things I'd change about P12Net. But it's been successful.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,897 Swaye's Wigwam
    I thought the Pac was generating more revenue than the Big Maryland?

    As usual I'm talking out my ass and have no links or sources. If you want to bitch I'll be on Aurora with brass knucks in my backpack

  • BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279

    I thought the Pac was generating more revenue than the Big Maryland?

    As usual I'm talking out my ass and have no links or sources. If you want to bitch I'll be on Aurora with brass knucks in my backpack

    It should be generating more revenue (10x difference between big10 and Pac12 goes beyond demographics in my opinion). Maybe one day it will.

    Wimbeldon Larry decided to cut out the middle man (ESPN/Fox) and build the entire network himself. If that plan works it should generate more profit and more distributions as he doesn't have to share the profit (ESPN gets 50% from SECN), if he fails to execute that plan it wont....right now looks like the later is occurring.

    I wouldn't think Pac12N is completely fucked, they just might have to fire Larry Scott, or tell him to change the strategy to partner with ESPN/Fox like the SEC has for their network.
  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,947 Swaye's Wigwam

    I thought the Pac was generating more revenue than the Big Maryland?

    As usual I'm talking out my ass and have no links or sources. If you want to bitch I'll be on Aurora with brass knucks in my backpack

    It should be generating more revenue (10x difference between big10 and Pac12 goes beyond demographics in my opinion). Maybe one day it will.

    Wimbeldon Larry decided to cut out the middle man (ESPN/Fox) and build the entire network himself. If that plan works it should generate more profit and more distributions as he doesn't have to share the profit (ESPN gets 50% from SECN), if he fails to execute that plan it wont....right now looks like the later is occurring.

    I wouldn't think Pac12N is completely fucked, they just might have to fire Larry Scott, or tell him to change the strategy to partner with ESPN/Fox like the SEC has for their network.
    This point goes back to why I linked the article... it's all about programming. Texas' Network has like 2 football games a year and everything else is wankery for fans... expect the fans don't give a fuck over all the wank that's not football.

    If the Pac-12 Network wants to be successful, it needs to have programming that people care about... aka football programming year round.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    I thought the Pac was generating more revenue than the Big Maryland?

    As usual I'm talking out my ass and have no links or sources. If you want to bitch I'll be on Aurora with brass knucks in my backpack

    It should be generating more revenue (10x difference between big10 and Pac12 goes beyond demographics in my opinion). Maybe one day it will.

    Wimbeldon Larry decided to cut out the middle man (ESPN/Fox) and build the entire network himself. If that plan works it should generate more profit and more distributions as he doesn't have to share the profit (ESPN gets 50% from SECN), if he fails to execute that plan it wont....right now looks like the later is occurring.

    I wouldn't think Pac12N is completely fucked, they just might have to fire Larry Scott, or tell him to change the strategy to partner with ESPN/Fox like the SEC has for their network.
    This point goes back to why I linked the article... it's all about programming. Texas' Network has like 2 football games a year and everything else is wankery for fans... expect the fans don't give a fuck over all the wank that's not football.

    If the Pac-12 Network wants to be successful, it needs to have programming that people care about... aka football programming year round.
    CHRIST

    SEC football isn't even compelling enough to watch year round.
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    Can we kick fucking Utah out? God they suck.
  • TierbsHsotBoobsTierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    Can we kick fucking UW and WSU out? God they suck.

  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,627 Founders Club
    edited May 2015
    Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.

    Motherfucking do it.
  • Dennis_DeYoungDennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    Doogles said:

    Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.

    Motherfucking do it.

    Low tweak.
  • BallSackedBallSacked Member Posts: 3,279
    edited May 2015
    Doogles said:

    Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.

    Motherfucking do it.

    Clueless. Especially as fan who had its program gobbled up by a rival that has been pouring $ into football for over a decade.

    More money is a big deal. It matters.
  • sarktasticsarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    TTJ said:

    Pac 12 network gets a lot of shit on here, but it's objectively been a big success and is generating a lot of revenue. No, it's not going to come close to the SEC network for the same reason as Pac games generally struggle to sell out: not as many people give a shit.

    This. There's a lot of things I'd change about P12Net. But it's been successful.
    Define success.

    It ain't the money

    It ain't the fact we get to watch CU vs. WSU at 8 o'clock at night...in analog... with equipment from the 60's

    what is successful about the P-12 network?
  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,947 Swaye's Wigwam
    Doogles said:

    Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.

    Motherfucking do it.

    More money = better coaches.

    Notice how the conference went from Wulff, Erickson, Stoops, and Embree to Leach, Graham, RichRod, and McIntyre in one year after the TV deal? Do you think the conference would've been better had they paid Carroll, Harbaugh, Kelly, etc. more?
  • DooglesDoogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,627 Founders Club

    Doogles said:

    Fuck the money. You can only put so many juice bars in the locker room. Everybody in the Pac has enough money to be nationally successful ( maybe not the cougs). Just win. Beat the shit out of someone. Why should I care about the big or sec revenue streams? Why should I care about any other team in the Pacs? Washington has more than enough to win a championship.

    Motherfucking do it.

    Clueless. Especially as fan who had its program gobbled up by a rival that has been pouring $ into football for over a decade.

    More money is a big deal. It matters.
    You missed the point. Money matters, but once you cross a certain threshold the difference between team a and team b is inconsequential beyond a number in the university's bank account. You could give UW 500 million today and it wouldn't change the stadium already built.

    I see it identical to the being smart enough theory. If a job requires someone to have a 130 IQ, it doesn't matter if they are at 135 or 160. Once you cross the line you're equally capable.

    The Pac, particularly Washington, is across the line. Win or GTFO.
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