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2001400ex
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/jeb-bush-tiptoes-into-critique-of-his-brother-s-iraq-legacy-202116360.html

"Using the intelligence capability that everybody embraced about weapons of mass destruction was not, turns out to not be accurate,” Jeb Bush said, being sure to note, accurately, that the intelligence estimate of Iraq’s WMD capabilities was shared by many other nation’s intelligence agencies.

He then added: "Not creating an environment of security after the successful taking out of Hussein was a mistake because Iraqis wanted security more than anything else.” This was ostensibly as much of a criticism of George W. Bush’s defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, as it was of the former president himself. Rumsfeld has been faulted with not sending more troops to Iraq to deal with the post-invasion occupation.
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  • section8
    section8 Member Posts: 1,581
    Most of his foreign policy advisers worked for his dad, brother or Reagan. Wash, Rinse, Repeat

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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    How has Paul Wolfowitz not been put down yet?
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    I'd be shocked if Jeb Bush got the nomination ...
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,347 Founders Club
    And here is your next presidential nominee Honda.

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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,000
    No chance Jeb survives a primary. None. Walker or Rubio vs Hills.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    My gut says that Rand Paul is in the Republican primary to the end ... he makes way too much sense when he speaks not to catch on once people start paying attention again.
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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,216
    Mike Huckabee or BUST!!!!!111!
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,665 Standard Supporter
    HoustonHusky said:

    No chance Jeb survives a primary. None. Walker or Rubio vs Hills.

    Walker or Rubio? ROFL. What horrible choices.
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  • DugtheDoog
    DugtheDoog Member Posts: 3,180
    edited February 2015
    Rand Paul or I'm voting for Gary Johnson again
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,000
    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    No chance Jeb survives a primary. None. Walker or Rubio vs Hills.

    Walker or Rubio? ROFL. What horrible choices.
    Compared to Hillary or the crazy lady from Mass? I'd take either in a heartbeat, although I think Walker is >> Rubio.
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,347 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    SteveInShelton said:

    There is no way Jeb Bush is a realistic candidate. The Republicans are basically fucked, their candidates are either completely out of touch with and hated by voters or just insane. It's too bad, the Dem candidates are awful too. Politics has really become Marinerized.

    The dems are like Bama. they get the default vote. People are aghast at how horrible the Republicans are then vote for Obama or HIllary. Romney with all of his faults was clearly a better choice in 2012. Now we have defenders of the economy saying that its great if you're on top. THIS economy is always great if you're on top. Obama ran against the 1% and they are the only folks to benefit from his fucked up lack of attention to detail. Blacks have fared worse under him but republicans are racist and Ferguson and shit you know so vote for the dem.

    I started voting in 1980. Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore, Bush, Obama, Romney.

    Carter and Obama are the only two that really fucked things up. Reagan, the Bushes and Clinton were at least competent. Hipster faggots and minorities need to stop defaulting to democrats and maybe they will start running good candidates again. Republicans are going to run managers that get ripped in the media and popular culture. They will never be cool but they will might win rather easily in 2016, say 34-17.
    Voted up for the highlighted, but did you really vote for Carter in '80, followed by Mondale and later, Dukakis? Just curious. Carter's first and only term was an epic disaster that cured a lot of people for several voting cycles.
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    SteveInShelton said:

    There is no way Jeb Bush is a realistic candidate. The Republicans are basically fucked, their candidates are either completely out of touch with and hated by voters or just insane. It's too bad, the Dem candidates are awful too. Politics has really become Marinerized.

    You gotta love these guys!!!!
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    RaceBannon said:

    SteveInShelton said:

    There is no way Jeb Bush is a realistic candidate. The Republicans are basically fucked, their candidates are either completely out of touch with and hated by voters or just insane. It's too bad, the Dem candidates are awful too. Politics has really become Marinerized.

    The dems are like Bama. they get the default vote. People are aghast at how horrible the Republicans are then vote for Obama or HIllary. Romney with all of his faults was clearly a better choice in 2012. Now we have defenders of the economy saying that its great if you're on top. THIS economy is always great if you're on top. Obama ran against the 1% and they are the only folks to benefit from his fucked up lack of attention to detail. Blacks have fared worse under him but republicans are racist and Ferguson and shit you know so vote for the dem.

    I started voting in 1980. Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore, Bush, Obama, Romney.

    Carter and Obama are the only two that really fucked things up. Reagan, the Bushes and Clinton were at least competent. Hipster faggots and minorities need to stop defaulting to democrats and maybe they will start running good candidates again. Republicans are going to run managers that get ripped in the media and popular culture. They will never be cool but they will win rather easily in 2016, say 34-17.
    It's not Obama's fault that you didn't develop a political creed until your late 50s. Failed idealists that vote Republican are the worst.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,084 Founders Club
    Passive aggressive
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    Passive aggressive

    So I'm curious on your rationale for going from all those democrats to Romney in 2012. And I'm curious what you think Romney would have done differently the last 2 years.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,084 Founders Club
    doogsinparadise said:

    RaceBannon said:

    SteveInShelton said:

    There is no way Jeb Bush is a realistic candidate. The Republicans are basically fucked, their candidates are either completely out of touch with and hated by voters or just insane. It's too bad, the Dem candidates are awful too. Politics has really become Marinerized.

    The dems are like Bama. they get the default vote. People are aghast at how horrible the Republicans are then vote for Obama or HIllary. Romney with all of his faults was clearly a better choice in 2012. Now we have defenders of the economy saying that its great if you're on top. THIS economy is always great if you're on top. Obama ran against the 1% and they are the only folks to benefit from his fucked up lack of attention to detail. Blacks have fared worse under him but republicans are racist and Ferguson and shit you know so vote for the dem.

    I started voting in 1980. Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore, Bush, Obama, Romney.

    Carter and Obama are the only two that really fucked things up. Reagan, the Bushes and Clinton were at least competent. Hipster faggots and minorities need to stop defaulting to democrats and maybe they will start running good candidates again. Republicans are going to run managers that get ripped in the media and popular culture. They will never be cool but they will win rather easily in 2016, say 34-17.
    It's not Obama's fault that you didn't develop a political creed until your late 50s. Failed idealists that vote Republican are the worst.
    I've always been a realist and never been a failure. Obama is a failure. You seem confused.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,470 Founders Club
    doogsinparadise said:

    RaceBannon said:

    SteveInShelton said:

    There is no way Jeb Bush is a realistic candidate. The Republicans are basically fucked, their candidates are either completely out of touch with and hated by voters or just insane. It's too bad, the Dem candidates are awful too. Politics has really become Marinerized.

    The dems are like Bama. they get the default vote. People are aghast at how horrible the Republicans are then vote for Obama or HIllary. Romney with all of his faults was clearly a better choice in 2012. Now we have defenders of the economy saying that its great if you're on top. THIS economy is always great if you're on top. Obama ran against the 1% and they are the only folks to benefit from his fucked up lack of attention to detail. Blacks have fared worse under him but republicans are racist and Ferguson and shit you know so vote for the dem.

    I started voting in 1980. Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore, Bush, Obama, Romney.

    Carter and Obama are the only two that really fucked things up. Reagan, the Bushes and Clinton were at least competent. Hipster faggots and minorities need to stop defaulting to democrats and maybe they will start running good candidates again. Republicans are going to run managers that get ripped in the media and popular culture. They will never be cool but they will win rather easily in 2016, say 34-17.
    It's not Obama's fault that you didn't develop a political creed until your late 50s. Failed idealists that vote Republican are the worst.
    There was that one phrase at band camp ... oh yeah ...

    If you're 18 and don't vote democrat you don't have a heart, if you're 40 and don't vote republican you don't have a brain ....

    Seems to me Uncle Race's voting record bears this wisdom out ... what's your excuse?
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,000
    2001400ex said:

    And I'm curious what you think Romney would have done differently the last 2 years.


    *Gurgle*
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,470 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    My gut says that Rand Paul is in the Republican primary to the end ... he makes way too much sense when he speaks not to catch on once people start paying attention again.

    He won't be right-enough to win ... which sucks ... LRR
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  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    Southerndawg said:

    Not to speak for Race, but that has to be a rhetorical question Honda. A shorter answer would come from asking what he wouldn't have done differently.

    Seriously, do you really think Russia, Iran, ISIS, Israel, the Taliban, the Castro Brothers, et al, wouldn't have all been dealt with differently by Romney? The Keystone Pipeline, Obamacare, federal tax code, federal budgets, and a lot more would all look different today. I get that Romney is not cool, not a favorite of those who get their "hard news" on comedy central from Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, but the difference in competence between Romney, the executive, and Obama, the community organizer, is staggering.

    It is easy to say this now, easy for Romney to say things he would have done from the arm chair.
    I will certainly give you obamacare, he would have at least done single payer....obamacare was romneycare before it was obamacare. Though, I am certain he would have not launched the program country wide through the fed.

    Come on, Stewart and Colbert cater to just over a million people. They might have some influence in the rich circles of LA, Boston, Seattle and New York. The only time where I thought a presidential nominee was cool was Bill Clinton playing the sax on the Arsenio Hall show.

    I will admit Obama's speech in 2004 impressed me. Now, he does nothing of what he spoke about in that speech. Like 98% of them empty promises and fancy phrases to be played in under 30 seconds on shitty news programs.

    Easy to say Romney would have been better being that the bar is so low.

    What hurt Romney was the clip showing he didn't care about most of America but what politician does? That clip got hammered over and over again. Also being Mormon hurt. Anyone who believes in planet Kolob probably shouldn't be President.
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  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    pawz said:

    Tequilla said:

    My gut says that Rand Paul is in the Republican primary to the end ... he makes way too much sense when he speaks not to catch on once people start paying attention again.

    He won't be right-enough to win ... which sucks ... LRR
    Rand will not appeal enough to the American public as whole which is unfortunate.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    doogsinparadise said:

    RaceBannon said:

    SteveInShelton said:

    There is no way Jeb Bush is a realistic candidate. The Republicans are basically fucked, their candidates are either completely out of touch with and hated by voters or just insane. It's too bad, the Dem candidates are awful too. Politics has really become Marinerized.

    The dems are like Bama. they get the default vote. People are aghast at how horrible the Republicans are then vote for Obama or HIllary. Romney with all of his faults was clearly a better choice in 2012. Now we have defenders of the economy saying that its great if you're on top. THIS economy is always great if you're on top. Obama ran against the 1% and they are the only folks to benefit from his fucked up lack of attention to detail. Blacks have fared worse under him but republicans are racist and Ferguson and shit you know so vote for the dem.

    I started voting in 1980. Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore, Bush, Obama, Romney.

    Carter and Obama are the only two that really fucked things up. Reagan, the Bushes and Clinton were at least competent. Hipster faggots and minorities need to stop defaulting to democrats and maybe they will start running good candidates again. Republicans are going to run managers that get ripped in the media and popular culture. They will never be cool but they will win rather easily in 2016, say 34-17.
    It's not Obama's fault that you didn't develop a political creed until your late 50s. Failed idealists that vote Republican are the worst.
    I've always been a realist and never been a failure. Obama is a failure. You seem confused.
    Didn't think you'd answer the question.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Southerndawg said:

    Not to speak for Race, but that has to be a rhetorical question Honda. A shorter answer would come from asking what he wouldn't have done differently.

    Seriously, do you really think Russia, Iran, ISIS, Israel, the Taliban, the Castro Brothers, et al, wouldn't have all been dealt with differently by Romney? The Keystone Pipeline, Obamacare, federal tax code, federal budgets, and a lot more would all look different today. I get that Romney is not cool, not a favorite of those who get their "hard news" on comedy central from Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, but the difference in competence between Romney, the executive, and Obama, the community organizer, is staggering.

    Yeah I fully agree we'd be in several wars right now if Romney were elected. And the federal deficit would be greater cause taxes would have been reduced and we'd be funding wars.

    Then we be back to "the deficit doesn't matter" type thinking, so Romney would have that going for him.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,084 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    doogsinparadise said:

    RaceBannon said:

    SteveInShelton said:

    There is no way Jeb Bush is a realistic candidate. The Republicans are basically fucked, their candidates are either completely out of touch with and hated by voters or just insane. It's too bad, the Dem candidates are awful too. Politics has really become Marinerized.

    The dems are like Bama. they get the default vote. People are aghast at how horrible the Republicans are then vote for Obama or HIllary. Romney with all of his faults was clearly a better choice in 2012. Now we have defenders of the economy saying that its great if you're on top. THIS economy is always great if you're on top. Obama ran against the 1% and they are the only folks to benefit from his fucked up lack of attention to detail. Blacks have fared worse under him but republicans are racist and Ferguson and shit you know so vote for the dem.

    I started voting in 1980. Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore, Bush, Obama, Romney.

    Carter and Obama are the only two that really fucked things up. Reagan, the Bushes and Clinton were at least competent. Hipster faggots and minorities need to stop defaulting to democrats and maybe they will start running good candidates again. Republicans are going to run managers that get ripped in the media and popular culture. They will never be cool but they will win rather easily in 2016, say 34-17.
    It's not Obama's fault that you didn't develop a political creed until your late 50s. Failed idealists that vote Republican are the worst.
    I've always been a realist and never been a failure. Obama is a failure. You seem confused.
    Didn't think you'd answer the question.
    That wasn't a reply to you

    Your question was stupid

    Hope this helps
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    doogsinparadise said:

    RaceBannon said:

    SteveInShelton said:

    There is no way Jeb Bush is a realistic candidate. The Republicans are basically fucked, their candidates are either completely out of touch with and hated by voters or just insane. It's too bad, the Dem candidates are awful too. Politics has really become Marinerized.

    The dems are like Bama. they get the default vote. People are aghast at how horrible the Republicans are then vote for Obama or HIllary. Romney with all of his faults was clearly a better choice in 2012. Now we have defenders of the economy saying that its great if you're on top. THIS economy is always great if you're on top. Obama ran against the 1% and they are the only folks to benefit from his fucked up lack of attention to detail. Blacks have fared worse under him but republicans are racist and Ferguson and shit you know so vote for the dem.

    I started voting in 1980. Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton twice, Gore, Bush, Obama, Romney.

    Carter and Obama are the only two that really fucked things up. Reagan, the Bushes and Clinton were at least competent. Hipster faggots and minorities need to stop defaulting to democrats and maybe they will start running good candidates again. Republicans are going to run managers that get ripped in the media and popular culture. They will never be cool but they will win rather easily in 2016, say 34-17.
    It's not Obama's fault that you didn't develop a political creed until your late 50s. Failed idealists that vote Republican are the worst.
    I've always been a realist and never been a failure. Obama is a failure. You seem confused.
    Didn't think you'd answer the question.
    That wasn't a reply to you

    Your question was stupid

    Hope this helps
    Except it was.
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