NBA Trade Deadline
I think that team could give anyone in the East a series and possibly pull an upset.
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IT traded too. I heard second han from him that Phoenix was a disaster and management promised Dragic, Bledsoe, and IT things that were not true.
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I also think the Blazers getting Afflalo was a huge move out west. Portland now has a legit scoring threat off the bench. As long as Kaman can stay healthy, I think Blake, Kaman, and Afflalo is a much bigger upgrade than what they've had in the past.
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Portland's season is over.
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Care to elaborate on that?RoadDawg55 said:Portland's season is over.
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I like what OKC did - they need to do something drastic to make sure that they are placating KD. That being said, still hard to see them being better than 8th unless the Clippers crash a bit without Blake Griffin and OKC catches them ... but 6.5 games is a lot with only 28-30 games left.
That's a good deal for Miami - particularly if they can sign Dragic. Good move for them.
Phoenix has fucking shit the bed though ... Dragic is the best player of those 3. IT was a strange signing for them from the get go once they resigned Bledsoe. Given the talent on that team, they should have been better than what they were doing. @RoadDawg55 has had their shit dialed in for a while. -
Meanwhile, the sixers trade their best player and former ROY MCW.
I think Hinkie needs to realize treating human beings strictly as numerical assets is going to backfire Long term.
They can have all the cap space in the world but they will never sign a huge free agent the way he moves players like cattle.
Hes amassed about a billion draft picks, but if he doesn't pick perfectly and have them all develop together he is going to crash and burn.
I get the point of integrating analytics into the game, but the sixers are going full on extreme with it.
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MCW will never be a player that you look at as a building block ... he gets numbers because he's playing on a D-League team playing in the NBA.
If you think what Philly is doing is anything more than acquiring assets and trying to figure out what guys are part of the long term solution while moving those that they don't think are for more assets, then I don't know what to tell you. -
Upgrading the starting SG/PG position (Knight vs. Dragic) in terms of scoring, rebounds and assists with a guy who is 5 years younger, much more athletic and plays tough defense.......yep, that's really shitting the bed.Tequilla said:I like what OKC did - they need to do something drastic to make sure that they are placating KD. That being said, still hard to see them being better than 8th unless the Clippers crash a bit without Blake Griffin and OKC catches them ... but 6.5 games is a lot with only 28-30 games left.
That's a good deal for Miami - particularly if they can sign Dragic. Good move for them.
Phoenix has fucking shit the bed though ... Dragic is the best player of those 3. IT was a strange signing for them from the get go once they resigned Bledsoe. Given the talent on that team, they should have been better than what they were doing. @RoadDawg55 has had their shit dialed in for a while. -
I think it's been an embarrassment to the league and the fan base of philly. It better payoff in a big way. At some point, dehumanizing your players is going to have an affect on the team. Embiid is tweeting out "what is going on!". It's hard to develop brotherhood let alone identify a cornerstone for your franchise when you keep loading up on future potential.Tequilla said:MCW will never be a player that you look at as a building block ... he gets numbers because he's playing on a D-League team playing in the NBA.
If you think what Philly is doing is anything more than acquiring assets and trying to figure out what guys are part of the long term solution while moving those that they don't think are for more assets, then I don't know what to tell you. -
But what if Hinkie appoligized to Philly fans. Told them he loved them, and that he'll never do it again?
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If you think Knight is better than Dragic, you probably also think Romar is a good coach.HuskyInAZ said:
Upgrading the starting SG/PG position (Knight vs. Dragic) in terms of scoring, rebounds and assists with a guy who is 5 years younger, much more athletic and plays tough defense.......yep, that's really shitting the bed.Tequilla said:I like what OKC did - they need to do something drastic to make sure that they are placating KD. That being said, still hard to see them being better than 8th unless the Clippers crash a bit without Blake Griffin and OKC catches them ... but 6.5 games is a lot with only 28-30 games left.
That's a good deal for Miami - particularly if they can sign Dragic. Good move for them.
Phoenix has fucking shit the bed though ... Dragic is the best player of those 3. IT was a strange signing for them from the get go once they resigned Bledsoe. Given the talent on that team, they should have been better than what they were doing. @RoadDawg55 has had their shit dialed in for a while.
Dear fucking god ... close the fucking gates Derek. -
I don't disagree with you ...Doogles said:
I think it's been an embarrassment to the league and the fan base of philly. It better payoff in a big way. At some point, dehumanizing your players is going to have an affect on the team. Embiid is tweeting out "what is going on!". It's hard to develop brotherhood let alone identify a cornerstone for your franchise when you keep loading up on future potential.Tequilla said:MCW will never be a player that you look at as a building block ... he gets numbers because he's playing on a D-League team playing in the NBA.
If you think what Philly is doing is anything more than acquiring assets and trying to figure out what guys are part of the long term solution while moving those that they don't think are for more assets, then I don't know what to tell you.
But at the same time, MCW isn't the guy that I'd make a stand with on the topic. -
They will be lucky to win a round. They aren't winning three.Tequilla said:
Care to elaborate on that?RoadDawg55 said:Portland's season is over.
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I don't see them winning a series against Golden State, Memphis, or San Antonio once they hit the next gear. Probably aren't beating OKC in a series. Coin flips probably against Dallas and and the Clippers. Should be favorites against Houston.RoadDawg55 said:
They will be lucky to win a round. They aren't winning three.Tequilla said:
Care to elaborate on that?RoadDawg55 said:Portland's season is over.
Agree that winning a round (like they did last year) is probably the high water mark for them. Next step would be actually being competitive in the second round. -
That's how I see it. I think Houston is improved from last year though and are better than Portland.Tequilla said:
I don't see them winning a series against Golden State, Memphis, or San Antonio once they hit the next gear. Probably aren't beating OKC in a series. Coin flips probably against Dallas and and the Clippers. Should be favorites against Houston.RoadDawg55 said:
They will be lucky to win a round. They aren't winning three.Tequilla said:
Care to elaborate on that?RoadDawg55 said:Portland's season is over.
Agree that winning a round (like they did last year) is probably the high water mark for them. Next step would be actually being competitive in the second round. -
Are you fucking serious? Dragic is a damn good player, but Knight is clearly an upgrade. Better stats, better defense, more athletic, better team, 5+ years younger. Do you even watch the NBA?Tequilla said:
If you think Knight is better than Dragic, you probably also think Romar is a good coach.HuskyInAZ said:
Upgrading the starting SG/PG position (Knight vs. Dragic) in terms of scoring, rebounds and assists with a guy who is 5 years younger, much more athletic and plays tough defense.......yep, that's really shitting the bed.Tequilla said:I like what OKC did - they need to do something drastic to make sure that they are placating KD. That being said, still hard to see them being better than 8th unless the Clippers crash a bit without Blake Griffin and OKC catches them ... but 6.5 games is a lot with only 28-30 games left.
That's a good deal for Miami - particularly if they can sign Dragic. Good move for them.
Phoenix has fucking shit the bed though ... Dragic is the best player of those 3. IT was a strange signing for them from the get go once they resigned Bledsoe. Given the talent on that team, they should have been better than what they were doing. @RoadDawg55 has had their shit dialed in for a while.
Dear fucking god ... close the fucking gates Derek.
As for closing the gates, a dumb fuck like you is the poster child. Or would you rather cry to daddy? -
Knight is pretty good, but Dragic is a little better. I think Knight is a pretty good replacement for Dragic and he is a better shooter. And like you said, he's younger. Bledsoe, Knight, the Morris twins, and Alex Len is a pretty good core.HuskyInAZ said:
Are you fucking serious? Dragic is a damn good player, but Knight is clearly an upgrade. Better stats, better defense, more athletic, better team, 5+ years younger. Do you even watch the NBA?Tequilla said:
If you think Knight is better than Dragic, you probably also think Romar is a good coach.HuskyInAZ said:
Upgrading the starting SG/PG position (Knight vs. Dragic) in terms of scoring, rebounds and assists with a guy who is 5 years younger, much more athletic and plays tough defense.......yep, that's really shitting the bed.Tequilla said:I like what OKC did - they need to do something drastic to make sure that they are placating KD. That being said, still hard to see them being better than 8th unless the Clippers crash a bit without Blake Griffin and OKC catches them ... but 6.5 games is a lot with only 28-30 games left.
That's a good deal for Miami - particularly if they can sign Dragic. Good move for them.
Phoenix has fucking shit the bed though ... Dragic is the best player of those 3. IT was a strange signing for them from the get go once they resigned Bledsoe. Given the talent on that team, they should have been better than what they were doing. @RoadDawg55 has had their shit dialed in for a while.
Dear fucking god ... close the fucking gates Derek.
As for closing the gates, a dumb fuck like you is the poster child. Or would you rather cry to daddy?
I hesitate to call the Bucks a better team than Phoenix. They have a slightly better record but the East is much easier.
The Bucks essentially trading Knight for MWC is a bad move. MCW has done nothing but lose and gets unlimited shots and playmaking opportunities for the worst team in the NBA.
MCW and the Greek freak can't shoot. It's tough having two perimeter oriented players who can't shoot. -
I like the KJ Mcdaniels move. Not sure where he plays yet but he is a fucking freak.RoadDawg55 said:
That's how I see it. I think Houston is improved from last year though and are better than Portland.Tequilla said:
I don't see them winning a series against Golden State, Memphis, or San Antonio once they hit the next gear. Probably aren't beating OKC in a series. Coin flips probably against Dallas and and the Clippers. Should be favorites against Houston.RoadDawg55 said:
They will be lucky to win a round. They aren't winning three.Tequilla said:
Care to elaborate on that?RoadDawg55 said:Portland's season is over.
Agree that winning a round (like they did last year) is probably the high water mark for them. Next step would be actually being competitive in the second round. -
Wake me up when Brandon Knight is a 3rd team all NBA player ... Dragic has done that.HuskyInAZ said:
Are you fucking serious? Dragic is a damn good player, but Knight is clearly an upgrade. Better stats, better defense, more athletic, better team, 5+ years younger. Do you even watch the NBA?Tequilla said:
If you think Knight is better than Dragic, you probably also think Romar is a good coach.HuskyInAZ said:
Upgrading the starting SG/PG position (Knight vs. Dragic) in terms of scoring, rebounds and assists with a guy who is 5 years younger, much more athletic and plays tough defense.......yep, that's really shitting the bed.Tequilla said:I like what OKC did - they need to do something drastic to make sure that they are placating KD. That being said, still hard to see them being better than 8th unless the Clippers crash a bit without Blake Griffin and OKC catches them ... but 6.5 games is a lot with only 28-30 games left.
That's a good deal for Miami - particularly if they can sign Dragic. Good move for them.
Phoenix has fucking shit the bed though ... Dragic is the best player of those 3. IT was a strange signing for them from the get go once they resigned Bledsoe. Given the talent on that team, they should have been better than what they were doing. @RoadDawg55 has had their shit dialed in for a while.
Dear fucking god ... close the fucking gates Derek.
As for closing the gates, a dumb fuck like you is the poster child. Or would you rather cry to daddy?
And excuse me while I yawn at guys putting up stats on a bad team ... RD is right though regarding MCW ... he's the poster child of the whole lots of stats on a bad team ... dude doesn't even shoot 40% (only with rounding) ... I'm seriously laughing at those saying that MCW is the next Jason Kidd.
What is fair to say is that getting Knight to replace Dragic is probably not all that bad considering that the Suns had lost all leverage on Dragic and risked losing him for nothing. But at the same time, not really sure that the Suns got THAT much for IT ... so when you look at it from the standpoint of Dragic + IT for Knight and 2 future 1st rounders in 2017 and 2021, that's not that fucking good).
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If this Philly team is what it takes to kill the stat nerd mythos once and for all, I'll take it. Between that and Sacramento's three coach dreckfest of a season. But holy fuckus, just move the team to Seattle already and put Philly out of its misery.
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Houston has some depth. Josh Smith, Corey Brewer, and now McDonald added during the year.WilburHooksHands said:
I like the KJ Mcdaniels move. Not sure where he plays yet but he is a fucking freak.RoadDawg55 said:
That's how I see it. I think Houston is improved from last year though and are better than Portland.Tequilla said:
I don't see them winning a series against Golden State, Memphis, or San Antonio once they hit the next gear. Probably aren't beating OKC in a series. Coin flips probably against Dallas and and the Clippers. Should be favorites against Houston.RoadDawg55 said:
They will be lucky to win a round. They aren't winning three.Tequilla said:
Care to elaborate on that?RoadDawg55 said:Portland's season is over.
Agree that winning a round (like they did last year) is probably the high water mark for them. Next step would be actually being competitive in the second round.
They now have some options on the wing and at the 4. They are still likely not a factor, but they are somewhat intriguing. -
I just don't trust them to play defense ... until I see it when it matters, I'm not going to say that they are worth a shit.RoadDawg55 said:
Houston has some depth. Josh Smith, Corey Brewer, and now McDonald added during the year.WilburHooksHands said:
I like the KJ Mcdaniels move. Not sure where he plays yet but he is a fucking freak.RoadDawg55 said:
That's how I see it. I think Houston is improved from last year though and are better than Portland.Tequilla said:
I don't see them winning a series against Golden State, Memphis, or San Antonio once they hit the next gear. Probably aren't beating OKC in a series. Coin flips probably against Dallas and and the Clippers. Should be favorites against Houston.RoadDawg55 said:
They will be lucky to win a round. They aren't winning three.Tequilla said:
Care to elaborate on that?RoadDawg55 said:Portland's season is over.
Agree that winning a round (like they did last year) is probably the high water mark for them. Next step would be actually being competitive in the second round.
They now have some options on the wing and at the 4. They are still likely not a factor, but they are somewhat intriguing. -
Completely agree about analytical overload. It's jumped the shark.doogsinparadise said:If this Philly team is what it takes to kill the stat nerd mythos once and for all, I'll take it. Between that and Sacramento's three coach dreckfest of a season. But holy fuckus, just move the team to Seattle already and put Philly out of its misery.
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Miami aint doing shit. Yeah that might win a series but that team looks an awful lot like the Lakers did a few years ago. Good move for them for now but they aren't winning a title and they are going to suck ass in a few years.
I love how those arrogant cunts were saying Lebron should thank them. Even with Deng, they went from being a title contender 4 years in a row to a below 500 team immediately. -
The Heat have had a lot of injuries ... Bosh went to the hospital tonight I heard on my way home ... Wade's a shell of himself ... Bosh has a few good years left in him. Dragic is good and should help create an easier load on both Bosh and Wade.
The biggest hole that has been left by LBJ leaving Miami was that he was the primary ball handler. They didn't have anybody on the roster that could create for others. They have that now in Dragic. -
The only offseason move by the Suns was signing IT. Signing him for 4 years at $27MM was a great move. Unfortunately, Dragic never really adjusted. In fact, Dragic never really adjusted to the Suns signing Beldsoe the year before. He went off last year only after Bledsoe got hurt.
Dragic is a shoot-first player. Always has been. Sure he picks up some assists, but for a guy who thinks of himself as a point guard, setting up his teammates is not a strength.
Losing IT is going to hurt the Suns in the short term. We'll see how Goodwin and Bullock fill in. They are both big guards with lots of physical talent, but it has not been proven in the NBA.
IMO, the Sun's starting 5 got better and younger, the bench got weaker. Their salary cap position, however, got a lot better. -
Isaiah has beaten the odds and become a good NBA player. The problem is, he is 5'8" and will always be a defensive liability. It's tough to win in the NBA with him as your PG.
I don't think trading IT was a bad move by the Suns. They don't need any more offense. Bledsoe, Knight, Morris, and Green can all fill it up. Dumping IT's salary for Thonrton's expiring and getting Cleveland's first round pick doesn't look great, but it could pay off in a future move. Even if the Suns made the playoffs, they were still irrelevant and aren't doing anything until they add to their roster.
The Suns fucked up getting three PG's and upsetting all three at different times. I doubt anyone will trust their front office anymore. That's the biggest issue and downside of the moves today. -
Phillies GM is smart in the way he deals. MCW can't shoot and puts up stats on a terrible team. Why not offload him for a draft pick? You always want to capitalize on a player when their value is at their highest. They have had over a year to evaluate MCW so instead of keeping him you trade him to get some asset in return (in this case a first round pick).
With the amount of draft picks they have in the next couple of drafts they can easily use them to acquire an all-star caliber player(s). What they have been banking on is drafting the next superstar and unfortunately the last two drafts didn't have an obvious one. Wiggins is good but I don't think he will be a superstar by an means. He will play in a couple of all star games but that is about it.
If they can get Mudiay (spelling?) in this upcoming draft we might see the Sixers begin to actually build their roster back up as they will have a very good young piece to build around. Drafting Okafor would also be a good move but I just don't see the hype when I watch him play at Duke. He is going to have a long career in the NBA but I just don't see the comparisons to Duncan that many throw out there...
Otherwise I like what the Suns did as they balance out their roster and pick up Knight who I think fits their team a little better than Dragic. Bledsoe/Dragic are similar in the way they play as both like to push the fast break, drive to the rim and are below average shooters from outside. Knight is a very good shooter and will provide Phoenix with a different look. He is also much younger and I would say has better potential down the road (good for Phoenix's young core of players). -
The problem with the GM's strategy, is that you only have a 1/4 chance of hitting number 1 to begin with. On top of that, A Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaq, Lebron, Durant, type players come around once every 5-6 years. So, basic math is telling me that Philly could possibly tank the next 20 years before they get that magical draft icon. That's Philly's only hope, because they are not going to get free agents to want to come there, because there isn't anybody else to build around.HuskiesADW said:Phillies GM is smart in the way he deals. MCW can't shoot and puts up stats on a terrible team. Why not offload him for a draft pick? You always want to capitalize on a player when their value is at their highest. They have had over a year to evaluate MCW so instead of keeping him you trade him to get some asset in return (in this case a first round pick).
With the amount of draft picks they have in the next couple of drafts they can easily use them to acquire an all-star caliber player(s). What they have been banking on is drafting the next superstar and unfortunately the last two drafts didn't have an obvious one. Wiggins is good but I don't think he will be a superstar by an means. He will play in a couple of all star games but that is about it.
If they can get Mudiay (spelling?) in this upcoming draft we might see the Sixers begin to actually build their roster back up as they will have a very good young piece to build around. Drafting Okafor would also be a good move but I just don't see the hype when I watch him play at Duke. He is going to have a long career in the NBA but I just don't see the comparisons to Duncan that many throw out there...
Otherwise I like what the Suns did as they balance out their roster and pick up Knight who I think fits their team a little better than Dragic. Bledsoe/Dragic are similar in the way they play as both like to push the fast break, drive to the rim and are below average shooters from outside. Knight is a very good shooter and will provide Phoenix with a different look. He is also much younger and I would say has better potential down the road (good for Phoenix's young core of players).
