Study Suggests Oregon is Doomed for a Downturn with Helfrich
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I guess Oregon might as well stop fielding a football teamBallSacked said:If someone dropped a '5 reasons why Oregon will regress', AzDuckFS would refute it point by point right now, complete with headers and cross-references.
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The 2nd biggest doog on this bored is a Broon
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Dude,AZDuck said:
If it was all just a system, everyone would be doing it. Look, no reasonable duck expects you assholes to be falling over yourselves to exclaim how awesome Oregon is. But don't give in to bouts of willful self-delusion and wishful thinking just so you can go back to how it used to be, because that's even less likely than Helfrich being the next Knute Rockne.topdawgnc said:What Slingblade has going for him is the system.
It was designed to be easy and it is incredibly hard to stop.
Until someone, besides Holt, comes up with a defense that is a scalable blueprint ... Oregon will run the PAC.
The odds also say they will win a NC in the next 3-5 years.
It literally is next man up ... because of the system.
Sorry to pour sand in your panties.
Facts, are facts.
It is a system, which requires execution. Oregon does that well.
Time will tell if Slingblade can manage the system as well as Chip did. But even Chip himself has said he can put any QB in his system and it will be successful.
Kelly has said several times that he can make his system fit any quarterback.
It's a system ... and it is all about execution of said system in a fast way that gives the offense a very decided advantage. -
I think we're talking past each other. Yeah, there's a system. It's a spread. Like any spread, it tries to put skill players in space. Kelly was able to make Masoli successful because of the running threat both from Masoli but also LaMike and Droughns. This in turn opens up the passing lanes. I get all that. Leach's Air Raid is based on a similar principle, only it relies on 5 wideouts to ensure that one will be open on every play. Clearly one is executed better than the other. Also, I think that run-n-shoot offenses are kind of FS because defenses can blanket the field with quarters or zone coverages. But I digress.
Execution is coaching. I think Slingblade really answered the bell after the Arizona game, and the team's execution has been *really* good. He'd have to lose 6-7 games next year to warm the seat, anyway. -
Yes, he made it to the Larry Culpepper National Championship.AZDuck said:I think we're talking past each other. Yeah, there's a system. It's a spread. Like any spread, it tries to put skill players in space. Kelly was able to make Masoli successful because of the running threat both from Masoli but also LaMike and Droughns. This in turn opens up the passing lanes. I get all that. Leach's Air Raid is based on a similar principle, only it relies on 5 wideouts to ensure that one will be open on every play. Clearly one is executed better than the other. Also, I think that run-n-shoot offenses are kind of FS because defenses can blanket the field with quarters or zone coverages. But I digress.
Execution is coaching. I think Slingblade really answered the bell after the Arizona game, and the team's execution has been *really* good. He'd have to lose 6-7 games next year to warm the seat, anyway.
The further the players get from Chip, the closer we get to finding out how good Slingblade is at managing the system.
I don't know if he is a good coach. I do know Urban Meyer is better ... and Jim Harbaugh is better ... but other than that ... we shall see. -
My buddy has the data and runs it for various time periods. Cumulatively, Oregon has the #1 SRS for the last 8 years, 6 years etc.
Chip may have been questioned the first few games in 2009 but Oregon's ascension began when he was hired the OC. Its similar to how Osborne played a huge rule in Nebraska winning 2 NC's in the years after he became OC. In Boise's case, when Hawkins was coach many people were saying Petersen was the genius behind everything.
The point of the study was to show the pattern of regression in internal hires following an elite coach. The NC game outcome actually doesn't prove or disprove anything in all honesty. The real test will be years 4-5. The study shows that these coaches often don't regress until years 4-5 in many cases. -
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This is a whole lot of words to say "Odds are good Slingblade can't be as good as the Fag because statistically, how many elite Coaches follow one after another."
That said, there is a shitload of doogery in this thread. Those fucking meth pumping assholes just played in the NC, a couple years after playing for an NC. Holy fuckall. I would give my right nut to have a "system team," even if I got my shit pushed in the NC. Christ. -
Every time Chest mentions SRS, God kills a kitten.AZDuck said:Read the thread and the original article. Chest mentions SRS post-season #1 as the moral equivalent of a natty. I'm just adopting the standards that Chest espouses. You guys should be happy
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Running the PAC with their system won't get them a natty.topdawgnc said:What Slingblade has going for him is the system.
It was designed to be easy and it is incredibly hard to stop.
Until someone, besides Holt, comes up with a defense that is a scalable blueprint ... Oregon will run the PAC.
The odds also say they will win a NC in the next 3-5 years.
It literally is next man up ... because of the system.
They can get away with being soft because the rest of the conference sucks. When they face a REAL team like Ohio State or Alabama, they're fucked. -
Voted up except for having a system team. I respect what they've done, it's impressive, but I'm not a fan of that approach. I like my Huskeyes and Husktides approaches much better.Swaye said:This is a whole lot of words to say "Odds are good Slingblade can't be as good as the Fag because statistically, how many elite Coaches follow one after another."
That said, there is a shitload of doogery in this thread. Those fucking meth pumping assholes just played in the NC, a couple years after playing for an NC. Holy fuckall. I would give my right nut to have a "system team," even if I got my shit pushed in the NC. Christ.
The rest is HH classic material, and I'm guessing some of those tatted up road warrior sloots you post pictures of would have no problem strapping it on and helping you out in exchange for a jewel deposit rather than actually taking the jewel. By the way, you're slipping. Those posts were the highlight of the week in here. I'm sure I'm not alone in missing them. Bring em back! -
FREE PUB! The Road Sluts are still around...just percolating...Southerndawg said:
Voted up except for having a system team. I respect what they've done, it's impressive, but I'm not a fan of that approach. I like my Huskeyes and Husktides approaches much better.Swaye said:This is a whole lot of words to say "Odds are good Slingblade can't be as good as the Fag because statistically, how many elite Coaches follow one after another."
That said, there is a shitload of doogery in this thread. Those fucking meth pumping assholes just played in the NC, a couple years after playing for an NC. Holy fuckall. I would give my right nut to have a "system team," even if I got my shit pushed in the NC. Christ.
The rest is HH classic material, and I'm guessing some of those tatted up road warrior sloots you post pictures of would have no problem strapping it on and helping you out in exchange for a jewel deposit rather than actually taking the jewel. By the way, you're slipping. Those posts were the highlight of the week in here. I'm sure I'm not alone in missing them. Bring em back! -
I remember reading here that posters were actually disparaging what Oregon has done. I said the same thing as you. If Petersen ever goes 70-11 over 6 seasons (Kelly & Helfrich years) with a couple conference championships and a couple Rose Bowls, I will be the first in line to blow him.Swaye said:This is a whole lot of words to say "Odds are good Slingblade can't be as good as the Fag because statistically, how many elite Coaches follow one after another."
That said, there is a shitload of doogery in this thread. Those fucking meth pumping assholes just played in the NC, a couple years after playing for an NC. Holy fuckall. I would give my right nut to have a "system team," even if I got my shit pushed in the NC. Christ. -
Oregon has had a great run and I'd be pretty satisfied if Pete goes.750 over his first five years. Including '07, they have to be around .850. Chip was a great coach. Usually the asst promotions don't work out that well. I'm confident they will slip at some point. It's hard not to. Carroll slipped his last yr.
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Exactly, I hate the fucking shit ass Ducks, some of our kick ass poasters notwithstanding....but come the fuck on...I like ragging on that re-re looking imbecile Slingblade too....but come the fuck on...Oregon has been, for the last 6-8 years, my Husky wet dream. And even if Slingblade shits the bed over the next couple of years (likely yes, but who the fuck knows at this point), fucker still popped off and won a Rose Bowl.RoadDawg55 said:
I remember reading here that posters were actually disparaging what Oregon has done. I said the same thing as you. If Petersen ever goes 70-11 over 6 seasons (Kelly & Helfrich years) with a couple conference championships and a couple Rose Bowls, I will be the first in line to blow him.Swaye said:This is a whole lot of words to say "Odds are good Slingblade can't be as good as the Fag because statistically, how many elite Coaches follow one after another."
That said, there is a shitload of doogery in this thread. Those fucking meth pumping assholes just played in the NC, a couple years after playing for an NC. Holy fuckall. I would give my right nut to have a "system team," even if I got my shit pushed in the NC. Christ. -
Spread uptempo system with good skill players, not enough beef, and a shit defense? Take away the Heisman and NC appearance and that is the Coog's wet dream, not UW's. HTHSwaye said:
Exactly, I hate the fucking shit ass Ducks, some of our kick ass poasters notwithstanding....but come the fuck on...I like ragging on that re-re looking imbecile Slingblade too....but come the fuck on...Oregon has been, for the last 6-8 years, my Husky wet dream. And even if Slingblade shits the bed over the next couple of years (likely yes, but who the fuck knows at this point), fucker still popped off and won a Rose Bowl.RoadDawg55 said:
I remember reading here that posters were actually disparaging what Oregon has done. I said the same thing as you. If Petersen ever goes 70-11 over 6 seasons (Kelly & Helfrich years) with a couple conference championships and a couple Rose Bowls, I will be the first in line to blow him.Swaye said:This is a whole lot of words to say "Odds are good Slingblade can't be as good as the Fag because statistically, how many elite Coaches follow one after another."
That said, there is a shitload of doogery in this thread. Those fucking meth pumping assholes just played in the NC, a couple years after playing for an NC. Holy fuckall. I would give my right nut to have a "system team," even if I got my shit pushed in the NC. Christ. -
Good perspective poast. In short, it's far better to be a quook than a doog.Swaye said:This is a whole lot of words to say "Odds are good Slingblade can't be as good as the Fag because statistically, how many elite Coaches follow one after another."
That said, there is a shitload of doogery in this thread. Those fucking meth pumping assholes just played in the NC, a couple years after playing for an NC. Holy fuckall. I would give my right nut to have a "system team," even if I got my shit pushed in the NC. Christ.
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Or a real team like Auburn, which resulted in a field goal loss?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Running the PAC with their system won't get them a natty.topdawgnc said:What Slingblade has going for him is the system.
It was designed to be easy and it is incredibly hard to stop.
Until someone, besides Holt, comes up with a defense that is a scalable blueprint ... Oregon will run the PAC.
The odds also say they will win a NC in the next 3-5 years.
It literally is next man up ... because of the system.
They can get away with being soft because the rest of the conference sucks. When they face a REAL team like Ohio State or Alabama, they're fucked.
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The butthurt in this post proves the point that 1.) It's best to be a quook. 2.) It's worse to be a doog. 3.) It can't get any worse than being a cuog.Cuogar_Gold said:Your program was shown to the entire country for what it was. The epic quook pressing on this board has been unreal. LSU, Ohio State, Auburn, they all laughed at your meth'd out excuses and bullshit exclamations of "We'll be back!" Christ. The Committee has seen enough out of you marshmallows. Oregon is fucked. Helfrich is a fucking loser (he's from Oregon, of course he is). Oregon was arrogant in promoting clueless morons like Pellum, who wouldn't understand defense if it cut a hole in the back of his pimp suit and fucked him in the ass.
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By your outburst on Monday ... didn't seem too fun to be a quook, but was sure hella fun to be a doog.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The butthurt in this post proves the point that 1.) It's best to be a quook. 2.) It's worse to be a doog. 3.) It can't get any worse than being a cuog.Cuogar_Gold said:Your program was shown to the entire country for what it was. The epic quook pressing on this board has been unreal. LSU, Ohio State, Auburn, they all laughed at your meth'd out excuses and bullshit exclamations of "We'll be back!" Christ. The Committee has seen enough out of you marshmallows. Oregon is fucked. Helfrich is a fucking loser (he's from Oregon, of course he is). Oregon was arrogant in promoting clueless morons like Pellum, who wouldn't understand defense if it cut a hole in the back of his pimp suit and fucked him in the ass.
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Playing in the national championship and losing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to being dog food in the PAC 12 for the foreseeable future.topdawgnc said:
By your outburst on Monday ... didn't seem too fun to be a quook, but was sure hella fun to be a doog.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The butthurt in this post proves the point that 1.) It's best to be a quook. 2.) It's worse to be a doog. 3.) It can't get any worse than being a cuog.Cuogar_Gold said:Your program was shown to the entire country for what it was. The epic quook pressing on this board has been unreal. LSU, Ohio State, Auburn, they all laughed at your meth'd out excuses and bullshit exclamations of "We'll be back!" Christ. The Committee has seen enough out of you marshmallows. Oregon is fucked. Helfrich is a fucking loser (he's from Oregon, of course he is). Oregon was arrogant in promoting clueless morons like Pellum, who wouldn't understand defense if it cut a hole in the back of his pimp suit and fucked him in the ass.
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You're the one who said you should become a Husky after that game.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Playing in the national championship and losing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuing to being dog food in the PAC 12 for the foreseeable future.topdawgnc said:
By your outburst on Monday ... didn't seem too fun to be a quook, but was sure hella fun to be a doog.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The butthurt in this post proves the point that 1.) It's best to be a quook. 2.) It's worse to be a doog. 3.) It can't get any worse than being a cuog.Cuogar_Gold said:Your program was shown to the entire country for what it was. The epic quook pressing on this board has been unreal. LSU, Ohio State, Auburn, they all laughed at your meth'd out excuses and bullshit exclamations of "We'll be back!" Christ. The Committee has seen enough out of you marshmallows. Oregon is fucked. Helfrich is a fucking loser (he's from Oregon, of course he is). Oregon was arrogant in promoting clueless morons like Pellum, who wouldn't understand defense if it cut a hole in the back of his pimp suit and fucked him in the ass.
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So you guys are saying that neither Mark Helfrich nor Oregon will contend for NC's on a yearly basis? But seriously folks
If Oregon becomes anything less than a top 10 program, Helfrich will be door.ass.out. and Oregon will offer $7MM per year to upgrade the coach.
Chip Kelly took Oregon from being a nice top 20 program to a national contender. And they've been there for 5 plus years now. Hiring Mark Helfrich made the most sense since the likes of Rich Rod, Todd Graham and others who run a similar scheme weren't available. Should Oregon drop off to even 10-3 next year, without a strong closing run. Oregon would make a change even then, should the right man be available.
They don't nor won't be hiring a Big 12 cast off or WAC Wunderkind anytime soon, should it become time to make a change. -
Droughns??????????AZDuck said:Kelly was able to make Masoli successful because of the running threat both from Masoli but also LaMike and Droughns.
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That's really easy to say, but hard to actually do. There's lots of programs that would love to win around the country, but yet only a few can do so. If it was as easy as throwing cash around, schools like Texas would just win by default. Cash sure helps, and it's probably necessary to win, but it's far from a guarantee.salemcoog said:So you guys are saying that neither Mark Helfrich nor Oregon will contend for NC's on a yearly basis? But seriously folks
If Oregon becomes anything less than a top 10 program, Helfrich will be door.ass.out. and Oregon will offer $7MM per year to upgrade the coach.
Chip Kelly took Oregon from being a nice top 20 program to a national contender. And they've been there for 5 plus years now. Hiring Mark Helfrich made the most sense since the likes of Rich Rod, Todd Graham and others who run a similar scheme weren't available. Should Oregon drop off to even 10-3 next year, without a strong closing run. Oregon would make a change even then, should the right man be available.
They don't nor won't be hiring a Big 12 cast off or WAC Wunderkind anytime soon, should it become time to make a change. -
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That's really easy to say, but hard to actually do. There's lots of programs that would love to win around the country, but yet only a few can do so. If it was as easy as throwing cash around, schools like Texas would just win by default. Cash sure helps, and it's probably necessary to win, but it's far from a guarantee.salemcoog said:So you guys are saying that neither Mark Helfrich nor Oregon will contend for NC's on a yearly basis? But seriously folks
If Oregon becomes anything less than a top 10 program, Helfrich will be door.ass.out. and Oregon will offer $7MM per year to upgrade the coach.
Chip Kelly took Oregon from being a nice top 20 program to a national contender. And they've been there for 5 plus years now. Hiring Mark Helfrich made the most sense since the likes of Rich Rod, Todd Graham and others who run a similar scheme weren't available. Should Oregon drop off to even 10-3 next year, without a strong closing run. Oregon would make a change even then, should the right man be available.
They don't nor won't be hiring a Big 12 cast off or WAC Wunderkind anytime soon, should it become time to make a change.
True, It's not easy and it's not guaranteed that throwing $$$ at a problem will solve it, should it come down to that.
I don't think you can really compare the situation at Texas as they let their program slide into the shitter for about 3 years too long IMO. Mac Brown's 2005 title and the 2009 NC appearance bought him too much equity and they're now paying the price.
Oregon has a great thing going as a program. Not just the shiny digs but also a lot of depth and the ability to have juice in just about any kids living room now.
They still have a lot of work to do on their lines to get to the top. But they can get just about anyone they want at the skillz positions these days. -
Sincerely, $C, Texas, Florida, Michigan, Nebraska, Miami, Florida State (2001-2012), Penn State, and Notre Shamesalemcoog said:So you guys are saying that neither Mark Helfrich nor Oregon will contend for NC's on a yearly basis? But seriously folks
If Oregon becomes anything less than a top 10 program, Helfrich will be door.ass.out. and Oregon will offer $7MM per year to upgrade the coach.
Chip Kelly took Oregon from being a nice top 20 program to a national contender. And they've been there for 5 plus years now. Hiring Mark Helfrich made the most sense since the likes of Rich Rod, Todd Graham and others who run a similar scheme weren't available. Should Oregon drop off to even 10-3 next year, without a strong closing run. Oregon would make a change even then, should the right man be available.
They don't nor won't be hiring a Big 12 cast off or WAC Wunderkind anytime soon, should it become time to make a change.
Coogs like anything that keeps the Huskies down. -
True Doogs think that Oregon's fortunes somehow has something to do with them.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Sincerely, $C, Texas, Florida, Michigan, Nebraska, Miami, Florida State (2001-2012), Penn State, and Notre Shamesalemcoog said:So you guys are saying that neither Mark Helfrich nor Oregon will contend for NC's on a yearly basis? But seriously folks
If Oregon becomes anything less than a top 10 program, Helfrich will be door.ass.out. and Oregon will offer $7MM per year to upgrade the coach.
Chip Kelly took Oregon from being a nice top 20 program to a national contender. And they've been there for 5 plus years now. Hiring Mark Helfrich made the most sense since the likes of Rich Rod, Todd Graham and others who run a similar scheme weren't available. Should Oregon drop off to even 10-3 next year, without a strong closing run. Oregon would make a change even then, should the right man be available.
They don't nor won't be hiring a Big 12 cast off or WAC Wunderkind anytime soon, should it become time to make a change.
Coogs like anything that keeps the Huskies down.
