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I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season. -
I think bowl games can really expose who wanted to be there more, and who was more motivated to compete. It exposes that more than "out-scheming" or "out-coaching". Every bowl season a handful of teams get exposed sleep walking through their bowl game. They get jumped on early and rolled over. Oklahoma this year, ASU in the holiday bowl last year, etc.
Awkward situation to prep for, for some players a bowl game is a last chance to audition for NFL, for others it's an extended all-expense paid vacation and the last game of their playing career as they have no pro prospects. It can lead to some weird game dynamics and lack of focus. -
Smith didnt "all of a sudden" call bad game cornel. Miles just actually made a play or 2 downfield in those 3 games..then came back in the apple cup and bowl game and shit the bed.
J. Smith cant go on the field and actually point out what receiver for Miles to throw to when a play gets called. Only in practice. Do you get that cornel? Sheesh its like a broken record with you, and seemingly 80% of the rest of you who blame the playcaller. -
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that. -
There is no evidence that Smith is a good coordinator or play caller. It's fine and even accurate to say he was handcuffed, but he was coordinator of an offense that sucked. You don't get courtesy points for not having ideal talent.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Smith didnt "all of a sudden" call bad game cornel. Miles just actually made a play or 2 downfield in those 3 games..then came back in the apple cup and bowl game and shit the bed.
J. Smith cant go on the field and actually point out what receiver for Miles to throw to when a play gets called. Only in practice. Do you get that cornel? Sheesh its like a broken record with you, and seemingly 80% of the rest of you who blame the playcaller. -
This bowl game means jack squat Jimmy. Reminded me of the '98 Aloha Bowl...Jarzynka sunning himself on the white sands of Waikiki with that beautiful mullet
Onward and upward from here my friends -
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that. -
Oky state's QB is laughing at true frosh comments while lighting up our 1st round defensive talent.jecornel said:
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that. -
The mark of a good coach is that they adjust to what they have and make it work. What concerns me with smith is that he still tried to force his system onto a qb who couldn't do it. Then, b/c cyler couldn't do it they basically made it as vanilla as possible.RoadDawg55 said:
There is no evidence that Smith is a good coordinator or play caller. It's fine and even accurate to say he was handcuffed, but he was coordinator of an offense that sucked. You don't get courtesy points for not having ideal talent.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Smith didnt "all of a sudden" call bad game cornel. Miles just actually made a play or 2 downfield in those 3 games..then came back in the apple cup and bowl game and shit the bed.
J. Smith cant go on the field and actually point out what receiver for Miles to throw to when a play gets called. Only in practice. Do you get that cornel? Sheesh its like a broken record with you, and seemingly 80% of the rest of you who blame the playcaller.
I just can't see how anyone who knows anything about football goes into a practice and watches cyler throw the ball and thinks that he can move an offense. If you aren't even a threat to throw 10+ yard passes either by skill or by recognition of defenses it puts your team in the back seat before the game is kicked off.
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It was Oklahoma State's worst season since 2007.FreeChavez said:
Oky state's QB is laughing at true frosh comments while lighting up our 1st round defensive talent.jecornel said:
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that. -
You obviously missed the punt. If a true frosh can light up our defense there is no reason why a frosh can't play for UW in 2015. There are other examples of frosh qb's who do just fine. The mantra on this board for quite a while was we can't start a frosh as if they would be that much worse than miley. I think i'll take the devil I don't know vs the devil I've seen throughout the 2014 campaign.RoadDawg55 said:
It was Oklahoma State's worst season since 2007.FreeChavez said:
Oky state's QB is laughing at true frosh comments while lighting up our 1st round defensive talent.jecornel said:
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that. -
The QB's that you haven't seen are always better. Right? And before you say it can't get worse than Miley, it can. Teams can get stuck in QB lingo. UCLA stuck with Kevin Prince before Hundley is an example. Breihut and the other bums were always worse and Prince came back. LIPO.FreeChavez said:
You obviously missed the punt. If a true frosh can light up our defense there is no reason why a frosh can't play for UW in 2015. There are other examples of frosh qb's who do just fine. The mantra on this board for quite a while was we can't start a frosh as if they would be that much worse than miley. I think i'll take the devil I don't know vs the devil I've seen throughout the 2014 campaign.RoadDawg55 said:
It was Oklahoma State's worst season since 2007.FreeChavez said:
Oky state's QB is laughing at true frosh comments while lighting up our 1st round defensive talent.jecornel said:
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that.
There has been a lot of pressing because we are upset. If there is a better option than Miley, they will start. If there is not, or Petersen decides to redshirt Browning to not get him killed, Miles will start. -
I have no idea whether the guys are "better". I know exactly what miles brings and it isn't ever going to get this team to an elite level when you can't stretch a defense or throw a pass or recognize a blitz. When a qb has to be pulled to throw 40 yrds, there is no defending it.RoadDawg55 said:
The QB's that you haven't seen are always better. Right? And before you say it can't get worse than Miley, it can. Teams can get stuck in QB lingo. UCLA stuck with Kevin Prince before Hundley is an example. Breihut and the other bums were always worse and Prince came back. LIPO.FreeChavez said:
You obviously missed the punt. If a true frosh can light up our defense there is no reason why a frosh can't play for UW in 2015. There are other examples of frosh qb's who do just fine. The mantra on this board for quite a while was we can't start a frosh as if they would be that much worse than miley. I think i'll take the devil I don't know vs the devil I've seen throughout the 2014 campaign.RoadDawg55 said:
It was Oklahoma State's worst season since 2007.FreeChavez said:
Oky state's QB is laughing at true frosh comments while lighting up our 1st round defensive talent.jecornel said:
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that.
There has been a lot of pressing because we are upset. If there is a better option than Miley, they will start. If there is not, or Petersen decides to redshirt Browning to not get him killed, Miles will start.
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I get that, but the team isn't going to be elite next year no matter who starts at QB.FreeChavez said:
I have no idea whether the guys are "better". I know exactly what miles brings and it isn't ever going to get this team to an elite level when you can't stretch a defense or throw a pass or recognize a blitz. When a qb has to be pulled to throw 40 yrds, there is no defending it.RoadDawg55 said:
The QB's that you haven't seen are always better. Right? And before you say it can't get worse than Miley, it can. Teams can get stuck in QB lingo. UCLA stuck with Kevin Prince before Hundley is an example. Breihut and the other bums were always worse and Prince came back. LIPO.FreeChavez said:
You obviously missed the punt. If a true frosh can light up our defense there is no reason why a frosh can't play for UW in 2015. There are other examples of frosh qb's who do just fine. The mantra on this board for quite a while was we can't start a frosh as if they would be that much worse than miley. I think i'll take the devil I don't know vs the devil I've seen throughout the 2014 campaign.RoadDawg55 said:
It was Oklahoma State's worst season since 2007.FreeChavez said:
Oky state's QB is laughing at true frosh comments while lighting up our 1st round defensive talent.jecornel said:
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that.
There has been a lot of pressing because we are upset. If there is a better option than Miley, they will start. If there is not, or Petersen decides to redshirt Browning to not get him killed, Miles will start.
Sometimes guys who suck start because they are the best and/or only option. There are tons of examples. Talia Crichton, Ben Ossai, Quinten Richardson, etc. If there is not a better option, than there isn't a better option. How would it go over with the team is Petersen plays a QB who stinks it up in practice more than Miles? I'm sure Petersen is pissed about having to play Miles and can't wait to have a better QB. -
I guess that's where the thought process can differ. I'd prefer we start a frosh and get them used to the speed and lead into 2016(assuming we're not going to be really great anyhow), rather than start a guy everyone knows is just biding time. Granted, both ways have pro's and con's. If you start a frosh and they realllllly suck, it could ruin them. But I also think you lose a whole team if you roll a guy out there everyone thinks isn't the best chance to improve.RoadDawg55 said:
I get that, but the team isn't going to be elite next year no matter who starts at QB.FreeChavez said:
I have no idea whether the guys are "better". I know exactly what miles brings and it isn't ever going to get this team to an elite level when you can't stretch a defense or throw a pass or recognize a blitz. When a qb has to be pulled to throw 40 yrds, there is no defending it.RoadDawg55 said:
The QB's that you haven't seen are always better. Right? And before you say it can't get worse than Miley, it can. Teams can get stuck in QB lingo. UCLA stuck with Kevin Prince before Hundley is an example. Breihut and the other bums were always worse and Prince came back. LIPO.FreeChavez said:
You obviously missed the punt. If a true frosh can light up our defense there is no reason why a frosh can't play for UW in 2015. There are other examples of frosh qb's who do just fine. The mantra on this board for quite a while was we can't start a frosh as if they would be that much worse than miley. I think i'll take the devil I don't know vs the devil I've seen throughout the 2014 campaign.RoadDawg55 said:
It was Oklahoma State's worst season since 2007.FreeChavez said:
Oky state's QB is laughing at true frosh comments while lighting up our 1st round defensive talent.jecornel said:
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that.
There has been a lot of pressing because we are upset. If there is a better option than Miley, they will start. If there is not, or Petersen decides to redshirt Browning to not get him killed, Miles will start.
Sometimes guys who suck start because they are the best and/or only option. There are tons of examples. Talia Crichton, Ben Ossai, Quinten Richardson, etc. If there is not a better option, than there isn't a better option. How would it go over with the team is Petersen plays a QB who stinks it up in practice more than Miles? I'm sure Petersen is pissed about having to play Miles and can't wait to have a better QB.
2015 is not a rose bowl year, but we also don't have to be a 4 win team. I have a lot of faith we have a qb who can play the position better than miley. It just sounds like CP was going with your route of thinking and keeping KJ on the R/S train rather than toss him into the fire. -
You would have preferred burning KJ's redshirt?FreeChavez said:
I guess that's where the thought process can differ. I'd prefer we start a frosh and get them used to the speed and lead into 2016(assuming we're not going to be really great anyhow), rather than start a guy everyone knows is just biding time. Granted, both ways have pro's and con's. If you start a frosh and they realllllly suck, it could ruin them. But I also think you lose a whole team if you roll a guy out there everyone thinks isn't the best chance to improve.RoadDawg55 said:
I get that, but the team isn't going to be elite next year no matter who starts at QB.FreeChavez said:
I have no idea whether the guys are "better". I know exactly what miles brings and it isn't ever going to get this team to an elite level when you can't stretch a defense or throw a pass or recognize a blitz. When a qb has to be pulled to throw 40 yrds, there is no defending it.RoadDawg55 said:
The QB's that you haven't seen are always better. Right? And before you say it can't get worse than Miley, it can. Teams can get stuck in QB lingo. UCLA stuck with Kevin Prince before Hundley is an example. Breihut and the other bums were always worse and Prince came back. LIPO.FreeChavez said:
You obviously missed the punt. If a true frosh can light up our defense there is no reason why a frosh can't play for UW in 2015. There are other examples of frosh qb's who do just fine. The mantra on this board for quite a while was we can't start a frosh as if they would be that much worse than miley. I think i'll take the devil I don't know vs the devil I've seen throughout the 2014 campaign.RoadDawg55 said:
It was Oklahoma State's worst season since 2007.FreeChavez said:
Oky state's QB is laughing at true frosh comments while lighting up our 1st round defensive talent.jecornel said:
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that.
There has been a lot of pressing because we are upset. If there is a better option than Miley, they will start. If there is not, or Petersen decides to redshirt Browning to not get him killed, Miles will start.
Sometimes guys who suck start because they are the best and/or only option. There are tons of examples. Talia Crichton, Ben Ossai, Quinten Richardson, etc. If there is not a better option, than there isn't a better option. How would it go over with the team is Petersen plays a QB who stinks it up in practice more than Miles? I'm sure Petersen is pissed about having to play Miles and can't wait to have a better QB.
2015 is not a rose bowl year, but we also don't have to be a 4 win team. I have a lot of faith we have a qb who can play the position better than miley. It just sounds like CP was going with your route of thinking and keeping KJ on the R/S train rather than toss him into the fire. -
Better than burning my eyes out so I didn't have to watch MilesRoadDawg55 said:
You would have preferred burning KJ's redshirt?FreeChavez said:
I guess that's where the thought process can differ. I'd prefer we start a frosh and get them used to the speed and lead into 2016(assuming we're not going to be really great anyhow), rather than start a guy everyone knows is just biding time. Granted, both ways have pro's and con's. If you start a frosh and they realllllly suck, it could ruin them. But I also think you lose a whole team if you roll a guy out there everyone thinks isn't the best chance to improve.RoadDawg55 said:
I get that, but the team isn't going to be elite next year no matter who starts at QB.FreeChavez said:
I have no idea whether the guys are "better". I know exactly what miles brings and it isn't ever going to get this team to an elite level when you can't stretch a defense or throw a pass or recognize a blitz. When a qb has to be pulled to throw 40 yrds, there is no defending it.RoadDawg55 said:
The QB's that you haven't seen are always better. Right? And before you say it can't get worse than Miley, it can. Teams can get stuck in QB lingo. UCLA stuck with Kevin Prince before Hundley is an example. Breihut and the other bums were always worse and Prince came back. LIPO.FreeChavez said:
You obviously missed the punt. If a true frosh can light up our defense there is no reason why a frosh can't play for UW in 2015. There are other examples of frosh qb's who do just fine. The mantra on this board for quite a while was we can't start a frosh as if they would be that much worse than miley. I think i'll take the devil I don't know vs the devil I've seen throughout the 2014 campaign.RoadDawg55 said:
It was Oklahoma State's worst season since 2007.FreeChavez said:
Oky state's QB is laughing at true frosh comments while lighting up our 1st round defensive talent.jecornel said:
Cycler is the incumbent and someone will need to prove they are a better option than a guy who has started 14 games. I do not want to see cyler play another snap but he is the #1 guy going into spring ball. Samuels and Browning will be freshman proving that they will better options. It doesn't seem like they would have to do much prove they are better. Peterson will need to bite the bullet and go with a guy with no D1 game experience.Tequilla said:
If Cyler starts next season, and in particular it becomes abundantly clear that he's failed to progress much as a QB, I'll be very vocal about questioning what Petersen is doing.jecornel said:I thought j smith called good games the last three games puppy...he was awful on Friday.
I hate to say it but cyler is still the front runner for next season.
You can't have Cyler start next season ... period.
The entire culture of this team needs to turn over ... and Cyler's a key factor in that.
There has been a lot of pressing because we are upset. If there is a better option than Miley, they will start. If there is not, or Petersen decides to redshirt Browning to not get him killed, Miles will start.
Sometimes guys who suck start because they are the best and/or only option. There are tons of examples. Talia Crichton, Ben Ossai, Quinten Richardson, etc. If there is not a better option, than there isn't a better option. How would it go over with the team is Petersen plays a QB who stinks it up in practice more than Miles? I'm sure Petersen is pissed about having to play Miles and can't wait to have a better QB.
2015 is not a rose bowl year, but we also don't have to be a 4 win team. I have a lot of faith we have a qb who can play the position better than miley. It just sounds like CP was going with your route of thinking and keeping KJ on the R/S train rather than toss him into the fire. -
As usual, your best contribution is simply being loud and somewhat funny.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Why post 35 paragraphs cornel? You were crystal clear with Miles. Didnt matter who played qb, get that through your little grape.
OSU was putting 9 guys in the box regardless. The grown man knew we didnt have a qb on the roster.
No passing game=no running game=no 1st downs or points and vice-versa.
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO ANALYZE. Get over it and move on. This game had nothing to do with Pete as a coach.
See Ryan Lindley and the Arizona Cardinals...nuff said dumbass. Is Arians suddenly a bad bad coach because he didnt insert Logan Thomas in the second half? FUCK NO! He didnt because Lindley and the defense gave him the best chance to win. An identical situation to Pete and the dawgs.
Now that ive laid it out, no more ignorant posts on the subject! Fuck me runnin!!!!!
There were too many poor performances in this game to simply allow Petermen to escape blame. Kikaha got far too little pressure. Danny Shelton was not a force. Shaq Thompson missed tackles (yes, I saw the cast). John Timu is the worse MIK LB since...well...our last shitty MIK LB. The O-line got dominated.
Miley Cyrus is a bag of shit, but it's not just on him. The whole team stunk, and Petermen deserves a large part of the blame. -
Miley does not exhibit any strong attributes of playing the QB position. Most importantly, he doesn't exhibit any qualities of strong leadership, preparation, etc.
As many have pointed out, including Pepsi as one of the loudest, the most important thing that needs to happen in this program is to turn the culture of the program around. That starts at the QB position.
Starting Miley next year is a continuance of the culture that we saw this year. IMO, that just can't happen if we're going to progress UNLESS Miley shows massive improvements ... which I consider unlikely.
