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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,551 Founders Club
    I rest my case

    James proved in on the field long before January 1992 by the way
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,394 Standard Supporter

    dnc said:

    You can do that for every team. That's why I'll stick with what actually happened

    You will stick with it because you need to hang onto anything to continue the PAC 12 sucks mantra.
    Record against Pac12 teams? Arizona was second best.
    National ranking? Arizona was second best.
    Placement in conference bowel hierarchy? Arizona was second best.

    Arizona was the second best team in the conference by every possible metric. This isn't some statistical fluke or relic of being in a worse division. They were the second best Pac12 team this year.
    If you can't dig a little deeper to see they weren't the 2nd best team, I can't help you. They won't end up ranked 2nd best. I was unaware bowl games don't count. There are five Pac 12 teams ranked 10-25, including two Arizona lost against.

    Missouri made the SEC title game, therefore they are better than Georgia, even though Georgia beat them 34-0 in Missouri.
    Arizona got a much tougher opponent than USC and Stanford did, but Doogs hate facts.
    I didn't know you considered yourself a doog?
    You've been hating facts all over this thread. I'm glad you think beating Maryland somehow proves Stanford is a good team though.
    UCLA beat Arizona. Will finish the year ranked higher when they win tonight. They also played a much tougher non conference schedule. In fact, there schedule was rated right at the top for toughest in the country.

    You will say it's all hypothetical, but Arizona skipped Stanford and Oregon State. UCLA skipped WSU and Oregon State. Switch schedules and UCLA wins the South.

    I get that it's college football and there is no true right answer, but it's not hard to see Arizona is not the 2nd best team.

    If you insist on only using facts, Arizona is not going to end the year ranked as the 2nd best team in the PAC 12.
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,795 Founders Club

    I rest my case

    James proved in on the field long before January 1992 by the way

    By your logic, no he didn't. Helfrich is about to be twice the coach James ever was 1 real championship vs. 1/2 of one. Just going by facts here, straight numbers, your logic.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    dnc said:

    You can do that for every team. That's why I'll stick with what actually happened

    You will stick with it because you need to hang onto anything to continue the PAC 12 sucks mantra.
    Record against Pac12 teams? Arizona was second best.
    National ranking? Arizona was second best.
    Placement in conference bowel hierarchy? Arizona was second best.

    Arizona was the second best team in the conference by every possible metric. This isn't some statistical fluke or relic of being in a worse division. They were the second best Pac12 team this year.
    If you can't dig a little deeper to see they weren't the 2nd best team, I can't help you. They won't end up ranked 2nd best. I was unaware bowl games don't count. There are five Pac 12 teams ranked 10-25, including two Arizona lost against.

    Missouri made the SEC title game, therefore they are better than Georgia, even though Georgia beat them 34-0 in Missouri.
    Arizona got a much tougher opponent than USC and Stanford did, but Doogs hate facts.
    I didn't know you considered yourself a doog?
    You've been hating facts all over this thread. I'm glad you think beating Maryland somehow proves Stanford is a good team though.
    UCLA beat Arizona. Will finish the year ranked higher when they win tonight. They also played a much tougher non conference schedule. In fact, there schedule was rated right at the top for toughest in the country.

    You will say it's all hypothetical, but Arizona skipped Stanford and Oregon State. UCLA skipped WSU and Oregon State. Switch schedules and UCLA wins the South.

    I get that it's college football and there is no true right answer, but it's not hard to see Arizona is not the 2nd best team.

    If you insist on only using facts, Arizona is not going to end the year ranked as the 2nd best team in the PAC 12.
    Arizona beat Oregon and UCLA lost to Oregon. That's why Arizona won the South. Somehow beating the best team in the conference gets you no respect among Doog Nation.

    When we last saw UCLA, they got plungered by Stanford 31-10 at home. Tell me again how UCLA is better than Stanford.

    http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=400548317

  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855

    dnc said:

    You can do that for every team. That's why I'll stick with what actually happened

    You will stick with it because you need to hang onto anything to continue the PAC 12 sucks mantra.
    Record against Pac12 teams? Arizona was second best.
    National ranking? Arizona was second best.
    Placement in conference bowel hierarchy? Arizona was second best.

    Arizona was the second best team in the conference by every possible metric. This isn't some statistical fluke or relic of being in a worse division. They were the second best Pac12 team this year.
    If you can't dig a little deeper to see they weren't the 2nd best team, I can't help you. They won't end up ranked 2nd best. I was unaware bowl games don't count. There are five Pac 12 teams ranked 10-25, including two Arizona lost against.

    Missouri made the SEC title game, therefore they are better than Georgia, even though Georgia beat them 34-0 in Missouri.
    Arizona got a much tougher opponent than USC and Stanford did, but Doogs hate facts.
    I didn't know you considered yourself a doog?
    You've been hating facts all over this thread. I'm glad you think beating Maryland somehow proves Stanford is a good team though.
    UCLA beat Arizona. Will finish the year ranked higher when they win tonight. They also played a much tougher non conference schedule. In fact, there schedule was rated right at the top for toughest in the country.

    You will say it's all hypothetical, but Arizona skipped Stanford and Oregon State. UCLA skipped WSU and Oregon State. Switch schedules and UCLA wins the South.

    I get that it's college football and there is no true right answer, but it's not hard to see Arizona is not the 2nd best team.

    If you insist on only using facts, Arizona is not going to end the year ranked as the 2nd best team in the PAC 12.
    What if UCLA doesn't win?
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,795 Founders Club
    Arizona didn't beat OREGON though. Winky face rofl still luv ya buddy!!1!
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,551 Founders Club
    Doogles said:

    I rest my case

    James proved in on the field long before January 1992 by the way

    By your logic, no he didn't. Helfrich is about to be twice the coach James ever was 1 real championship vs. 1/2 of one. Just going by facts here, straight numbers, your logic.
    Not really following that. James had 5 Rose Bowls, and Orange Bowl and the 84 National Championship by that date as well as the 91 title.

    Oregon is on a run better than anything James did and if Helfrich sticks around 18 years he may indeed end up with far better numbers
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,394 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2015

    dnc said:

    You can do that for every team. That's why I'll stick with what actually happened

    You will stick with it because you need to hang onto anything to continue the PAC 12 sucks mantra.
    Record against Pac12 teams? Arizona was second best.
    National ranking? Arizona was second best.
    Placement in conference bowel hierarchy? Arizona was second best.

    Arizona was the second best team in the conference by every possible metric. This isn't some statistical fluke or relic of being in a worse division. They were the second best Pac12 team this year.
    If you can't dig a little deeper to see they weren't the 2nd best team, I can't help you. They won't end up ranked 2nd best. I was unaware bowl games don't count. There are five Pac 12 teams ranked 10-25, including two Arizona lost against.

    Missouri made the SEC title game, therefore they are better than Georgia, even though Georgia beat them 34-0 in Missouri.
    Arizona got a much tougher opponent than USC and Stanford did, but Doogs hate facts.
    I didn't know you considered yourself a doog?
    You've been hating facts all over this thread. I'm glad you think beating Maryland somehow proves Stanford is a good team though.
    UCLA beat Arizona. Will finish the year ranked higher when they win tonight. They also played a much tougher non conference schedule. In fact, there schedule was rated right at the top for toughest in the country.

    You will say it's all hypothetical, but Arizona skipped Stanford and Oregon State. UCLA skipped WSU and Oregon State. Switch schedules and UCLA wins the South.

    I get that it's college football and there is no true right answer, but it's not hard to see Arizona is not the 2nd best team.

    If you insist on only using facts, Arizona is not going to end the year ranked as the 2nd best team in the PAC 12.
    Arizona beat Oregon and UCLA lost to Oregon. That's why Arizona won the South. Somehow beating the best team in the conference gets you no respect among Doog Nation.

    When we last saw UCLA, they got plungered by Stanford 31-10 at home. Tell me again how UCLA is better than Stanford.

    http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=400548317

    Wow, just wow. UCLA beat Arizona. Rather easily. The last time we saw Zona they were plungered by Oregon and lost to a MWC team. But the bowl season doesn't matter. All that matters is that Arizona (very luckily, but enough hypotheticals) went 7-2 in conference while the other teams went 6-3. Bowl season and head to head doesn't matter according to you.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    What we learned in this thread:

    @RoadDoog55 thinks UCLA is better than Stanford and Arizona, even though UCLA lost at home to Stanford 31-10 in its last game and UCLA finished behind Arizona in the Pac-12 South.
  • BallSacked
    BallSacked Member Posts: 3,279

    dnc said:

    You can do that for every team. That's why I'll stick with what actually happened

    You will stick with it because you need to hang onto anything to continue the PAC 12 sucks mantra.
    Record against Pac12 teams? Arizona was second best.
    National ranking? Arizona was second best.
    Placement in conference bowel hierarchy? Arizona was second best.

    Arizona was the second best team in the conference by every possible metric. This isn't some statistical fluke or relic of being in a worse division. They were the second best Pac12 team this year.
    If you can't dig a little deeper to see they weren't the 2nd best team, I can't help you. They won't end up ranked 2nd best. I was unaware bowl games don't count. There are five Pac 12 teams ranked 10-25, including two Arizona lost against.

    Missouri made the SEC title game, therefore they are better than Georgia, even though Georgia beat them 34-0 in Missouri.
    Arizona got a much tougher opponent than USC and Stanford did, but Doogs hate facts.
    I didn't know you considered yourself a doog?
    You've been hating facts all over this thread. I'm glad you think beating Maryland somehow proves Stanford is a good team though.
    Stanford was shit early in the year and lost games. Now they look like the 2nd best team in the Pac12

    Arkansas was shit early in the year and lost games. Now they look like the 2nd(?) best team in the SEC

    Beating Maryland is not a big fucking deal, neither is beating Texas. Both those teams seasons were really similar.
    So you're saying the Pac-12 season started on November 22nd?

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/24/stanford-cardinal

    Even then, I'd take Arizona's wins over Utah and Arizona State during that time frame ahead of Stanford's wins over Cal, UCLA, and Maryland.

    Judging teams by selective time periods of a season instead of the entire season is fucktarded Doog logic at its best.
    I watch the games, if they played today Stanford would wipe the floor with Arizona. There is no objective proof to back that up, just a pretty obvious eye test.