The U part 2

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

The "fluke" at UW was funny. They bitched because they were behind #2 FSU in the polls (who they beat) yet were ahead of #4Washington who they lost to.

yes, mensa, we are aware of the hypocrisy. it's been discussed. it's also what you do. can you recall a team, ever, saying, "yeah, we have the same record, yeah, we beat the team that's playing for the title and yeah yeah yeah, but really this other team should be there over us."???? I can't. ever. everyone makes their case. coaches too.

i mean, what the fuck are they supposed to say? they're sitting their and they know all too fucking well that they shit a national title away in Seattle earlier in the season because they know all too fucking well that nobody can beat them at the point.

of course Washington had a better claim ... all that said, if there'd been a playoff, Miami would have run away with it. I know like I know I'm breathing that they would have deplungered Oklahoma.

toward the end of the season they were rolling.

Mosster47 said:

I remember when Butch turned North Carolina into a power house too!!!

Here's the truth about Butch Davis: He had two good recruiting classes that someone else won with. End resume.

It's funny to watch all this dooging for mediocre. That's the best defense talent wise you've had since 1991 and you finished 8th. Remember how long it took Chip kelly to turn Oregon around? They went from a shit show blowout loss to BYU to being the best team in the country in one off-season when he was the fucking OC! Great coaches do great things with talent, period.

Butch can flat out fucking recruit. Doing at Miami, even at that level, is one thing. But making UNC one of the most talented teams in the country is an entirely different matter, and really drives home the point.

Game day coach? There have been plenty better. But when it comes to recruiting I've not seen anyone do what he did at those two stops.

creepycoug said:

Mosster47 said:

creepycoug said:

Mosster47 said:

I remember when Butch turned North Carolina into a power house too!!!

Here's the truth about Butch Davis: He had two good recruiting classes that someone else won with. End resume.

It's funny to watch all this dooging for mediocre. That's the best defense talent wise you've had since 1991 and you finished 8th. Remember how long it took Chip kelly to turn Oregon around? They went from a shit show blowout loss to BYU to being the best team in the country in one off-season when he was the fucking OC! Great coaches do great things with talent, period.

Butch can flat out fucking recruit. Doing at Miami, even at that level, is one thing. But making UNC one of the most talented teams in the country is an entirely different matter, and really drives home the point.

Game day coach? There have been plenty better. But when it comes to recruiting I've not seen anyone do what he did at those two stops.

Who gives a shit? Lane Kiffy can recruit like a mother fucker too, but he's a terrible coach. So, should a program hire Butch for two years then can him for a football coach? Using Butch Davis as a reason why you are mediocre is to say you're expecting to underachieve, but Peterman won't recruit anywhere near the level Butch would.

I think you all need to LIPO. As of right now you finished 8th with a historically talented defense, which isn't impressive in any way. That's all you or anyone else knows. No reason to be excited or to be too down.

Yes. I would tell any program that was down and looking for a coach to hire Butch Davis. He's not a great game day coach, but he's not Ron Zook either. Just a matter of degree.

Bull Moose listening?

Mosster47 said:

creepycoug said:

Mosster47 said:

I remember when Butch turned North Carolina into a power house too!!!

Here's the truth about Butch Davis: He had two good recruiting classes that someone else won with. End resume.

It's funny to watch all this dooging for mediocre. That's the best defense talent wise you've had since 1991 and you finished 8th. Remember how long it took Chip kelly to turn Oregon around? They went from a shit show blowout loss to BYU to being the best team in the country in one off-season when he was the fucking OC! Great coaches do great things with talent, period.

Butch can flat out fucking recruit. Doing at Miami, even at that level, is one thing. But making UNC one of the most talented teams in the country is an entirely different matter, and really drives home the point.

Game day coach? There have been plenty better. But when it comes to recruiting I've not seen anyone do what he did at those two stops.

Who gives a shit? Lane Kiffy can recruit like a mother fucker too, but he's a terrible coach. So, should a program hire Butch for two years then can him for a football coach? Using Butch Davis as a reason why you are mediocre is to say you're expecting to underachieve, but Peterman won't recruit anywhere near the level Butch would.

I think you all need to LIPO. As of right now you finished 8th with a historically talented defense, which isn't impressive in any way. That's all you or anyone else knows. No reason to be excited or to be too down.

Who? Me. I give a shit.

You can scheme and shit all you want, but in the long run, if you want the SERIOUS hardware, you need the horses.

There have been plenty of staffs with less than brilliant game day guys at HC who get it done with the right coordinators. Booby Bowden comes to mind. Clearly not a member of the chess club growing up, but that old fucker could recruit and he was smart enough to hire people smarter than he was to run the offense, defense and specials.

everyone who knows anything about FSU knows that it started to unravel for Booby (albeit after like a billion years) when his long-time coordinators started leaving for head coaching jobs ... particularly when he lost Richt and Damato. Those two were integral for him.

But it all starts with the right players.

No one gives a fuck about Miami anymore

FSU simply cheats better.

Southerndawg said:

creepycoug said:

Mosster47 said:

creepycoug said:

Mosster47 said:

I remember when Butch turned North Carolina into a power house too!!!

Here's the truth about Butch Davis: He had two good recruiting classes that someone else won with. End resume.

It's funny to watch all this dooging for mediocre. That's the best defense talent wise you've had since 1991 and you finished 8th. Remember how long it took Chip kelly to turn Oregon around? They went from a shit show blowout loss to BYU to being the best team in the country in one off-season when he was the fucking OC! Great coaches do great things with talent, period.

Butch can flat out fucking recruit. Doing at Miami, even at that level, is one thing. But making UNC one of the most talented teams in the country is an entirely different matter, and really drives home the point.

Game day coach? There have been plenty better. But when it comes to recruiting I've not seen anyone do what he did at those two stops.

Who gives a shit? Lane Kiffy can recruit like a mother fucker too, but he's a terrible coach. So, should a program hire Butch for two years then can him for a football coach? Using Butch Davis as a reason why you are mediocre is to say you're expecting to underachieve, but Peterman won't recruit anywhere near the level Butch would.

I think you all need to LIPO. As of right now you finished 8th with a historically talented defense, which isn't impressive in any way. That's all you or anyone else knows. No reason to be excited or to be too down.

Who? Me. I give a shit.

You can scheme and shit all you want, but in the long run, if you want the SERIOUS hardware, you need the horses.

There have been plenty of staffs with less than brilliant game day guys at HC who get it done with the right coordinators. Booby Bowden comes to mind. Clearly not a member of the chess club growing up, but that old fucker could recruit and he was smart enough to hire people smarter than he was to run the offense, defense and specials.

everyone who knows anything about FSU knows that it started to unravel for Booby (albeit after like a billion years) when his long-time coordinators started leaving for head coaching jobs ... particularly when he lost Richt and Damato. Those two were integral for him.

But it all starts with the right players.

Truer words are seldom spoken. Mickey Andrews was also "integral for him", and deserves big time credit for some outstanding defenses.

Yes forgot about him. Very true.

creepycoug said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

No one gives a fuck about Miami anymore

I think you do.

No.