SEC bias forever
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Oregon beats TCU rather easily. Alabama is beatable too. What makes you think they are so indestructible?
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Disagree, I think TCU is Oregon with a better D. Not an apples to apples offensive comparison obviously, but just in terms of the ability to score. I know TCU collapsed late against Baylor, but overall Patterson D's are solid and with the exception of that quarter that's been true this year. TCU can absolutely score with and against Oregon.RoadDawg55 said:Oregon beats TCU rather easily. Alabama is beatable too. What makes you think they are so indestructible?
As for Bama, I don't think they are indestructable, they are just the typical really big and physical. I can't think of a team that Oregon or TCU have played that I can compare to. That's why I'm saying I'm not sure yet. I've watched every TCU game though and most of Oregon's games and that's how I see them matching up against each other. I feel like Tequilla.
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I love how posters here talk about how horrible the 2nd best team in the Pac12 is and then claim Oregon is great for beating them.
Not you Road, but a lot of the SEC bashers
Alabama had a tougher road to get here. They probably have an easier game today.
I agree Oregon looks good but so does Ohio State and everyone says they didn't play anybody
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It's not necessarily who Oregon has beaten, but they have gotten the plunger out in every game since the loss. Mariota has played great every week, Freeman is a beast, and Allen, Carrington, and Stanford are good WR's. The only question mark is the defense, but it has been playing pretty good the past few weeks.
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I think Oregon beats FSU and TCU.RoadDawg55 said:Oregon beats TCU rather easily. Alabama is beatable too. What makes you think they are so indestructible?
Alabama? not so sure. I could see the physicality and athleticism really shut down the duck offense. Or I could see Bama struggle with the ducks speed and tempo. Either way yadda yadda yadda.
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Marriott is the difference in the games Oregon plays.
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wanting shit to happen and thinking about what is likely to happen is too very different fucking things.
it's what separates us from the animals.
it's what separates us from the resident dip shits at fag man. For Christ's sake, it's what separates us from Kim and Fatters.
Nothing I've seen thus far tells me that TCU is a huge problem for Oregon.
Bamers is a different story, but Oregon has answered the "too physical" test to some extent. Michigan State, and even a flawed Furd team, are physical, and Oregon has an inside running game with a very big, strong and pretty fast kid running the ball.
I don't know what would happen against Bama. I know this ... that Bama doesn't play a lot of teams like Oregon. There's always been that factor.
Much lesser Oregon teams have played powerhouse SEC teams, and while recently those have resulted in losses, you have to look at the nature of the losses. They almost came back against an Auburn team that had a once-in-twenty-years QB, and the LSU loss - that LSU team was fucking ferocious, and despite 4 turnovers, 2 of which were KILLER fumbles by then freshman DT, it wasn't a real ass kicking. LSU had the edge in total rushing, which beside turnovers was the worst relative stat for Oregon, and it was 80 yards.
Oregon Bama
1st Downs 18 18
3rd down efficiency
9-19 6-15
4th down efficiency
1-2 0-0
Total Yards 335 273
Passing 240 98
Comp-Att
31-54 10-22
Yards per pass
4.4 4.5
Rushing 95 175
Rushing Attempts
28 48
Yards per rush
3.4 3.6
Penalties 12-95 5-47
Turnovers 4 1
Fumbles lost
3 1
Interceptions thrown
1 0
Possession 26:56 33:04
All I'm saying is that, over the years, I've seen Pac 10 teams go down there and, fully expecting them to get their asses kicked (which I expected in the LSU game), show up and play. I remember a pretty average OSU team going down to Baton Rouge and taking a good LSU team down to the wire.
I think this Oregon team is closer to this Bama team than THAT Oregon team was to THAT LSU team. Doesn't mean that they wouldn't get their asses kicked, but it's far from an automatic thing in my mind.
The biggest difference I see in this Oregon team from recent memory is Royce Freeman - kid is the fucking show.
Call me a conference homer, but I'm on the side of the argument that people everywhere else don't realize how much parity there is in this conference and that Pac teams can and do play with anybody.
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And it is who they've beaten. They manhandled Furd, which while flawed, is still very physical. They eventually pulled away against Michigan State with physical play, on both sides, and importantly by rushing Freeman down their fucking throats, and Mich State can play defense.RoadDawg55 said:It's not necessarily who Oregon has beaten, but they have gotten the plunger out in every game since the loss. Mariota has played great every week, Freeman is a beast, and Allen, Carrington, and Stanford are good WR's. The only question mark is the defense, but it has been playing pretty good the past few weeks.
I don't think this is our uncles' Oregon team. If they can get even one of those linemen back, it could be interesting.
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Bama plays more teams like Oregon now as well.
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I also think Chip's team that played for the title is better than this year. I'm not worshipping Mariota just yet.
Oregon kills TCU. FSU is a toss up and Bama a 7 point favorite
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Fuck I bet you Vegas starts that line at about Oregon -7 over TCU if they both get 2-3 seeds... Start Oregon out over a TD and let the money fall.
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Oregon would have beat TCU earlier in the year ... TCU's defense is much better now. I do think that the defensive quality is what would separate TCU in the game.
TCU's defense is what the program has been built on - particularly against the run. The program has a long history of shutting down great running attacks whether it be Adrian Peterson at Oklahoma, containing CJ Spiller in Clemson, or slowing down a very physical running attack in Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.
The weakness of the TCU defense is that there is an ability to beat them over the top in the passing game. Oklahoma stayed close in the game with those kind of plays (otherwise TCU beat them about as bad as Baylor did) and Baylor's offense started turning into Petty throwing a lot of jump balls that they came down with enough of.
It's one of the reasons I really want to see TCU face Oregon is because of their ability to stop the run. Their front four is primarily asked to take up blockers to allow the LBs to penetrate and make tackles while their changing looks in the secondary always results in at least 1-2 of them flashing into the backfield to stop the run. The confusion that they create defensively often messes with offenses. Oregon's strength isn't necessarily in dropping back in the passing game and it's no secret that the route tree that Oregon runs isn't particularly diverse.
I think it would be a very good game, but I think TCU wins the game in the 38-28 or 38-31 range. -
No way. Mariota is the best they've had in the modern era. Thomas was an underrated passer, I'll give you that, but he was nothing near Mariota on the ground, and leadership isn't even a conversation. The receivers are better - MUCH better, and the running game isn't close. There are guys on this roster who would have at least shared serious time with, La Mike, who are now watching most of the game from the sidelines. Marshall would not have been moved to slot on that team. No way. It's not just the yards ... it's the nature of the yards. Oregon doesn't have to create as much space for Freeman as they did James and Barner. It's a much different game for this offense because that kid has size, speed and vision and runs pissed off.RaceBannon said:I also think Chip's team that played for the title is better than this year. I'm not worshipping Mariota just yet.
Oregon kills TCU. FSU is a toss up and Bama a 7 point favorite
Defensively it's a toss up, though there is no Dion Jordan or Michael Clay on this squad (can't remember if either of them played on the title team), there are more difference makers on this D overall than on that Oregon team. The corners on this team are better for sure, and I'll take Jargan over any safety Oregon's had a long time. -
Auburn maybe. I think Oregon is faster than both Mississippis, and none of them have a QB like Mariota, including Bama, and I'd take Freeman over any RB in the SEC not named Todd Gurley.RaceBannon said:Bama plays more teams like Oregon now as well.
I guess we'll see. Just as we say with Florida State, there are two Oregon teams. One that shows up focused and ready to play, and one that doesn't. The one that shows up ready to play can, I think, go toe to toe with Bama even if they're playing their game. Could be wrong but I think it's there. -
So is Royce Freeman.topdawgnc said:Marriott is the difference in the games Oregon plays.
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I think we're on our own on this one bud.Tequilla said:Oregon would have beat TCU earlier in the year ... TCU's defense is much better now. I do think that the defensive quality is what would separate TCU in the game.
TCU's defense is what the program has been built on - particularly against the run. The program has a long history of shutting down great running attacks whether it be Adrian Peterson at Oklahoma, containing CJ Spiller in Clemson, or slowing down a very physical running attack in Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.
The weakness of the TCU defense is that there is an ability to beat them over the top in the passing game. Oklahoma stayed close in the game with those kind of plays (otherwise TCU beat them about as bad as Baylor did) and Baylor's offense started turning into Petty throwing a lot of jump balls that they came down with enough of.
It's one of the reasons I really want to see TCU face Oregon is because of their ability to stop the run. Their front four is primarily asked to take up blockers to allow the LBs to penetrate and make tackles while their changing looks in the secondary always results in at least 1-2 of them flashing into the backfield to stop the run. The confusion that they create defensively often messes with offenses. Oregon's strength isn't necessarily in dropping back in the passing game and it's no secret that the route tree that Oregon runs isn't particularly diverse.
I think it would be a very good game, but I think TCU wins the game in the 38-28 or 38-31 range. -
Gun to my head or I'm betting:
bammer
fsu
whoregon
the ohio state
Tcu
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Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit. -
It's always more about what we are doing (or for the last 10+ years what we haven't been doing) than anything that Oregon is doing.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit. -
Other than the fact that Helfrich has already proven himself to be a good recruiter, I hear what you're saying.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit.
One of the great myths about Kelly. He had a rep as a bit lazy in recruiting and had a very hard time puckering up for 18 year olds who think their shit smells good. The guy is a brilliant program builder and great game day coach. He's a great CEO. But not all of them are great recruiters, and I don't know that he was. Only the insiders really know, but for all we know, Helfrich was the one getting it done. He's certainly doing ok right now.
Anyway, we all know who found and landed Royce Freeman, and it wasn't chip. That kid is going to rape the Pac 12 for two more seasons before he's done. -
I think Oregon's D is better now than they were earlier in the year too. Their front is getting more penetration and is more stout against the run, and Smith is playing better corner now than he was early, giving them two really good players outside, which is so important and gives the D that much more flexibility.Tequilla said:Oregon would have beat TCU earlier in the year ... TCU's defense is much better now. I do think that the defensive quality is what would separate TCU in the game.
TCU's defense is what the program has been built on - particularly against the run. The program has a long history of shutting down great running attacks whether it be Adrian Peterson at Oklahoma, containing CJ Spiller in Clemson, or slowing down a very physical running attack in Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.
The weakness of the TCU defense is that there is an ability to beat them over the top in the passing game. Oklahoma stayed close in the game with those kind of plays (otherwise TCU beat them about as bad as Baylor did) and Baylor's offense started turning into Petty throwing a lot of jump balls that they came down with enough of.
It's one of the reasons I really want to see TCU face Oregon is because of their ability to stop the run. Their front four is primarily asked to take up blockers to allow the LBs to penetrate and make tackles while their changing looks in the secondary always results in at least 1-2 of them flashing into the backfield to stop the run. The confusion that they create defensively often messes with offenses. Oregon's strength isn't necessarily in dropping back in the passing game and it's no secret that the route tree that Oregon runs isn't particularly diverse.
I think it would be a very good game, but I think TCU wins the game in the 38-28 or 38-31 range. -
Bama has 3 Royce Freemans. And a DLine that can stop him
You beat Bama with the long ball. Good luck. Nobody does that better than Auburn -
There is nothing to be antsy about. Oregon winning a title wouldn't change anything. They have already established themselves as a national program. Canard and company are already really fucking annoying, so who cares about them having something else to brag about?HeretoBeatmyChest said:Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit. -
Don't know that it's that simple. You beat Bama with the long ball when they have other things to worry about.RaceBannon said:Bama has 3 Royce Freemans. And a DLine that can stop him
You beat Bama with the long ball. Good luck. Nobody does that better than Auburn
Oregon has athletes too. They don't have an Amari Cooper, but they have a good core of WRs, they have a big, strong, fast RB who runs like he wants to hit you, and smart, fast athletic QB who can throw the ball.
Though they are different teams, I think Oregon could present some issues for Alabama for the same reasons Auburn did. You can't just pin your ears back and do one thing.
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Are you watching what Missouri is doing with the long ball? They can't run or protect the passer but they are hitting long prayers. It's keeping them in it
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Trust me. It will get much worse. Mosster, Greenblood, and ADuck won't be real bad but guys like Canard and Ozone layer will start to get insufferable. Granted this site is pretty sheltered, and neither of us live in the NW and have to deal with the white trash Duck bandwagon, but it will fucking suck in general. All the Scout, Rivals, 24-7 sports and whatever the fuck else sites that still exist will be really bad from there on.RoadDawg55 said:
There is nothing to be antsy about. Oregon winning a title wouldn't change anything. They have already established themselves as a national program. Canard and company are already really fucking annoying, so who cares about them having something else to brag about?HeretoBeatmyChest said:Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit.
If Ihad to choose, I'll choose the Bammer win. Of course FSU, TCU, Baylor, OSU>> those two -
How about some love for my man Blake Simms?
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as opposed to all the white trash SEC fans?Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Trust me. It will get much worse. Mosster, Greenblood, and ADuck won't be real bad but guys like Canard and Ozone layer will start to get insufferable. Granted this site is pretty sheltered, and neither of us live in the NW and have to deal with the white trash Duck bandwagon, but it will fucking suck in general. All the Scout, Rivals, 24-7 sports and whatever the fuck else sites that still exist will be really bad from there on.RoadDawg55 said:
There is nothing to be antsy about. Oregon winning a title wouldn't change anything. They have already established themselves as a national program. Canard and company are already really fucking annoying, so who cares about them having something else to brag about?HeretoBeatmyChest said:Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit.
If Ihad to choose, I'll choose the Bammer win. Of course FSU, TCU, Baylor, OSU>> those two
fans in general tend to be dip shits, wherever they are. and if you don't think Washington has its share, I've got a bond fund I'd like to sell you.
Middlebury can only admit 700 to 800 kids a year after all. the NESCAC can't ejuk8 everyone. -
WE?HeretoBeatmyChest said:Gun to my head I'm betting Oregon. Alabama's defenses that won the NC were top 3 in D stats. This one is not in the top 10 and they gave up a lot to Auburn.
Doogs (some I know) are getting so antsy about it. Big fucking deal. We are in the best position we've been in, perhaps ever. Championship coach who will be here for 15 years. When Chip's players are gone, Helfrich will regress quite a bit.
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ok, then you're saying you can beat Bamers with the long ball even when they don't have to worry about anything else. fine, you're right.RaceBannon said:Are you watching what Missouri is doing with the long ball? They can't run or protect the passer but they are hitting long prayers. It's keeping them in it
Oregon being able to throw other things at them can only help their chances.
Oregon is also very good in the middle range passing game. Their offense presents more problems than a Missouri does, or than a typical SEC team not named Auburn does.
Auburn is a decent comparison for Oregon in terms of O matching up with Bamer D, and Auburn clearly could have beaten Bamers.
