UW-UTEP Wooden Legacy Championship game thread

Perhaps the best part of this game was that it was close at the end.

Playing under pressure like that against a Top 100 RPI team will certainly help this team mature come Pac-12 conference play.

dhdawg said:

I don't expect them to beat SDSU, but it is at home. We'll see

will need the dawgpack (RIP) to show up

BayDawg said:

Is it worrisome that we seem to foul every trip down the court?

Its a decent win, but we have an enormous amount of holes on this team.

NWG and Andrews make a nice backcourt. If they play great we have a chance. They arent getting nearly enough help, and what happened to our bench players?

This is one of the best benches UW has ever had under Romar. Upshaw is a beast, Dorsey is good, and Winters and Johnson are capable of having good games.

I need to see them play more before knowing for sure if they are good, but the team looks better than expected so far.

They look NIT caliber. I'm still not sold on anything more than that at this point. Arizona is really good and I don't know jack about the other 10 P 12 teams. I won't really care until January 5th either.

ThomasFremont said:

IrishDawg22 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

NWG is one of the best PG's in the country. I don't know who all the best players in the Pac 12 are, but I'm pretty sure he's right at the top.

He is BRoy without the consistent jumper. Really starting to like that kid.

Wut...?

B-Roy was also a better defender, a better athlete, could finish through contact, could score from anywhere on the floor, and he was TUFF. Goss is a PG, yet he has inferior handles to Brandon fucking Roy.

NWG is closer to Abdul Gaddy than B-Roy.

NWG had a good game, but JFC he ain't B-Roy. Not by a LONG shot.

Check ya self.

You had an upvote before "NWG is closer to Abdul Gaddy than B-Roy."

Goss will never be the basketball player than Brandon Roy was as a senior. Hell, there might not be a player in college basketball who will ever be as good as Brandon Roy was as a senior.

But there's a pretty damn good argument that Goss is a better player than Roy was as a sophomore. I was about the biggest Gaddy apologist anywhere but Goss is already much better than Gaddy was at any point in his life.

dnc said:

ThomasFremont said:

IrishDawg22 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

NWG is one of the best PG's in the country. I don't know who all the best players in the Pac 12 are, but I'm pretty sure he's right at the top.

He is BRoy without the consistent jumper. Really starting to like that kid.

Wut...?

B-Roy was also a better defender, a better athlete, could finish through contact, could score from anywhere on the floor, and he was TUFF. Goss is a PG, yet he has inferior handles to Brandon fucking Roy.

NWG is closer to Abdul Gaddy than B-Roy.

NWG had a good game, but JFC he ain't B-Roy. Not by a LONG shot.

Check ya self.

You had an upvote before "NWG is closer to Abdul Gaddy than B-Roy."

Goss will never be the basketball player than Brandon Roy was as a senior. Hell, there might not be a player in college basketball who will ever be as good as Brandon Roy was as a senior.

But there's a pretty damn good argument that Goss is a better player than Roy was as a sophomore. I was about the biggest Gaddy apologist anywhere but Goss is already much better than Gaddy was at any point in his life.

Obviously Goss is better than Gaddy. The comparison was made to show how far he is from B-Roy.

They're not even close.

Also B-Roy's senior year was basically his 2nd full season considering he missed most of freshman year and was hurt junior year.

If Goss stays all 4, we can revisit the comparison. But I doubt he will. And I doubt we would have to even if he did.

Goss would run and cry if Rudy Gay got in his face.

It helps.

RoadDawg55 said:

ThomasFremont said:

IrishDawg22 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

NWG is one of the best PG's in the country. I don't know who all the best players in the Pac 12 are, but I'm pretty sure he's right at the top.

He is BRoy without the consistent jumper. Really starting to like that kid.

Wut...?

B-Roy was also a better defender, a better athlete, could finish through contact, could score from anywhere on the floor, and he was TUFF. Goss is a PG, yet he has inferior handles to Brandon fucking Roy.

NWG is closer to Abdul Gaddy than B-Roy.

NWG had a good game, but JFC he ain't B-Roy. Not by a LONG shot.

Check ya self.

You've been taking passive shots on NWG since before this season. Not a good enough athlete, blah, blah. Quit sleeping on him. He's going to be one of the best players in the Pac this year. Goss stuffs a stat sheet like B Roy. 14.7, 5.5, and 7.5. Obviously, he's not as good as senior B Roy, but they do have similar games.

NWG is a good player. I have nothing against him. However, I think the early NBA talk is laughable.

And the B-Roy comparisons are a joke. Lots of guys "stuff stats"...doesn't mean they play a similar game or project to be similar players. They don't even play the same fucking position. That comparison is not only lazy, it's flat out incorrect.

NWG is average in too many areas to have such a horrendous jump shot as a guard and expect to do anything at the next level.

I honestly think 4 years under Romar would do him a ton of good. He could improve his game, have a breakout senior year, and actually enter the NBA prepared to have a successful career. Certain guys have made the jump from one year to another. NWG looks basically the same as he did to end last year.

I think he's good enough to make that jump, but until he does, everyone (Irish) can stop sucking his dick and proclaiming him the next B-Roy. That's some doogin right there.

RoadDawg55 said:

ThomasFremont said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ThomasFremont said:

IrishDawg22 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

NWG is one of the best PG's in the country. I don't know who all the best players in the Pac 12 are, but I'm pretty sure he's right at the top.

He is BRoy without the consistent jumper. Really starting to like that kid.

Wut...?

B-Roy was also a better defender, a better athlete, could finish through contact, could score from anywhere on the floor, and he was TUFF. Goss is a PG, yet he has inferior handles to Brandon fucking Roy.

NWG is closer to Abdul Gaddy than B-Roy.

NWG had a good game, but JFC he ain't B-Roy. Not by a LONG shot.

Check ya self.

You've been taking passive shots on NWG since before this season. Not a good enough athlete, blah, blah. Quit sleeping on him. He's going to be one of the best players in the Pac this year. Goss stuffs a stat sheet like B Roy. 14.7, 5.5, and 7.5. Obviously, he's not as good as senior B Roy, but they do have similar games.

NWG is a good player. I have nothing against him. However, I think the early NBA talk is laughable.

And the B-Roy comparisons are a joke. Lots of guys "stuff stats"...doesn't mean they play a similar game or project to be similar players. They don't even play the same fucking position. That comparison is not only lazy, it's flat out incorrect.

NWG is average in too many areas to have such a horrendous jump shot as a guard and expect to do anything at the next level.

I honestly think 4 years under Romar would do him a ton of good. He could improve his game, have a breakout senior year, and actually enter the NBA prepared to have a successful career. Certain guys have made the jump from one year to another. NWG looks basically the same as he did to end last year.

I think he's good enough to make that jump, but until he does, everyone (Irish) can stop sucking his dick and proclaiming him the next B-Roy. That's some doogin right there.

It's really not. If he played for a legitimate program, he would be recognized. I've watched a lot of Kentucky the past two years. The Harrison twins get a lot of hype. NWG is at least as good as them. He is as good as Ennis from Syracuse last year. I don't think UW would be a better team with one of them instead of NWG.

When NWG played with Marcus Smart, Elfrid Payton, Aaron Gordon, etc on the U19 team, he played a lot and played well. He's held his own against NBA players. There is plenty of evidence that shows this guy is pretty fucking good.

In the NBA, Goss will be a PG and Roy was a SG, but in the college game they were both lead guards. They are/were both counted on to make shit happen in the half court. Their positions (in college) aren't that much different.

He has a long way to go to be close to B Roy and he will never be as athletic, but there are similarities in their games.

Sigh...

NWG is a pass first PG with limited scoring ability.

B-Roy was a triple threat. Who could also play defense.

NWG "held his own" against a bunch of NBA prospects his age.

B-Roy dominated a league full of NBA talent.

Just stop.

RoadDawg55 said:

ThomasFremont said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ThomasFremont said:

RoadDawg55 said:

ThomasFremont said:

IrishDawg22 said:

RoadDawg55 said:

NWG is one of the best PG's in the country. I don't know who all the best players in the Pac 12 are, but I'm pretty sure he's right at the top.

He is BRoy without the consistent jumper. Really starting to like that kid.

Wut...?

B-Roy was also a better defender, a better athlete, could finish through contact, could score from anywhere on the floor, and he was TUFF. Goss is a PG, yet he has inferior handles to Brandon fucking Roy.

NWG is closer to Abdul Gaddy than B-Roy.

NWG had a good game, but JFC he ain't B-Roy. Not by a LONG shot.

Check ya self.

You've been taking passive shots on NWG since before this season. Not a good enough athlete, blah, blah. Quit sleeping on him. He's going to be one of the best players in the Pac this year. Goss stuffs a stat sheet like B Roy. 14.7, 5.5, and 7.5. Obviously, he's not as good as senior B Roy, but they do have similar games.

NWG is a good player. I have nothing against him. However, I think the early NBA talk is laughable.

And the B-Roy comparisons are a joke. Lots of guys "stuff stats"...doesn't mean they play a similar game or project to be similar players. They don't even play the same fucking position. That comparison is not only lazy, it's flat out incorrect.

NWG is average in too many areas to have such a horrendous jump shot as a guard and expect to do anything at the next level.

I honestly think 4 years under Romar would do him a ton of good. He could improve his game, have a breakout senior year, and actually enter the NBA prepared to have a successful career. Certain guys have made the jump from one year to another. NWG looks basically the same as he did to end last year.

I think he's good enough to make that jump, but until he does, everyone (Irish) can stop sucking his dick and proclaiming him the next B-Roy. That's some doogin right there.

It's really not. If he played for a legitimate program, he would be recognized. I've watched a lot of Kentucky the past two years. The Harrison twins get a lot of hype. NWG is at least as good as them. He is as good as Ennis from Syracuse last year. I don't think UW would be a better team with one of them instead of NWG.

When NWG played with Marcus Smart, Elfrid Payton, Aaron Gordon, etc on the U19 team, he played a lot and played well. He's held his own against NBA players. There is plenty of evidence that shows this guy is pretty fucking good.

In the NBA, Goss will be a PG and Roy was a SG, but in the college game they were both lead guards. They are/were both counted on to make shit happen in the half court. Their positions (in college) aren't that much different.

He has a long way to go to be close to B Roy and he will never be as athletic, but there are similarities in their games.

Sigh...

NWG is a pass first PG with limited scoring ability.

B-Roy was a triple threat. Who could also play defense.

NWG "held his own" against a bunch of NBA prospects his age.

B-Roy dominated a league full of NBA talent.

Just stop.

You are taking it way to literal. Goss isn't close to as good as B Roy. We all know they have differences in their games. Lol that a guy who gets 13 as a freshman is a limited scorer.

Goss was one of three high school guys on the U19 team. They were older and he still chopped.

If you had said that 3 posts ago instead of defending Irish's dumb ass position you could have saved us a lot of time.

Glad you agree. Sad it took you so long to realize it.

IrishDawg22 said:

So. year stats:

NWG:

14.7 ppg
7.5 apg
5.5 rpg
1.3 spg
.78 ft%
.20 3pt%

BRoy:

12.9 ppg
3.3 apg
5.3 rpg
1.2 spg
.78 ft%
.40 3pt%

At this point in his career, he is as good as BRoy was as a SO. As DNC said, maybe nobody will ever be as good as Roy was his SR year.

And Freemont is just being fucking stupid if he thinks NWG is not a triple threat. Last year and this year's stat lines speak for themselves.

Plus Roaddawg is right about the positions. Captain Obvious knows that they would play different positions at the next level, but in his SR year BRoy handled the ball the majority of the time.

You also lost all credibility with the Gaddy comparison. NWG's frosh year blows away anything Abdul 5* Gaddy did for the Dawgs.

Right now it is fair to label NWG as BRoy Lite.

What about minutes played? And does BRoy's stats include the entire year (Pac-12 games) or only the OOC? And who were the team players that BRoy had as a supporting cast (vs. NWG who is often a one-man show).

I agree with you about NWG being BRoy lite, but I do wonder if there are other factors at play here beyond just the basic per game stats.

whatshouldicareabout said:

IrishDawg22 said:

So. year stats:

NWG:

14.7 ppg
7.5 apg
5.5 rpg
1.3 spg
.78 ft%
.20 3pt%

BRoy:

12.9 ppg
3.3 apg
5.3 rpg
1.2 spg
.78 ft%
.40 3pt%

At this point in his career, he is as good as BRoy was as a SO. As DNC said, maybe nobody will ever be as good as Roy was his SR year.

And Freemont is just being fucking stupid if he thinks NWG is not a triple threat. Last year and this year's stat lines speak for themselves.

Plus Roaddawg is right about the positions. Captain Obvious knows that they would play different positions at the next level, but in his SR year BRoy handled the ball the majority of the time.

You also lost all credibility with the Gaddy comparison. NWG's frosh year blows away anything Abdul 5* Gaddy did for the Dawgs.

Right now it is fair to label NWG as BRoy Lite.

What about minutes played? And does BRoy's stats include the entire year (Pac-12 games) or only the OOC? And who were the team players that BRoy had as a supporting cast (vs. NWG who is often a one-man show).

I agree with you about NWG being BRoy lite, but I do wonder if there are other factors at play here beyond just the basic per game stats.

I provided the stats mainly to debunk that stupid statement that NWG is not a multiple threat player. Minutes played fall in the favor (34-30) to NWG. You are right about BRoy having a better cast. But at that time he was a different player, mainly playing off the ball with NateRob & Will handling the ball.

ThomasFremont said:

IrishDawg22 said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

IrishDawg22 said:

So. year stats:

NWG:

14.7 ppg
7.5 apg
5.5 rpg
1.3 spg
.78 ft%
.20 3pt%

BRoy:

12.9 ppg
3.3 apg
5.3 rpg
1.2 spg
.78 ft%
.40 3pt%

At this point in his career, he is as good as BRoy was as a SO. As DNC said, maybe nobody will ever be as good as Roy was his SR year.

And Freemont is just being fucking stupid if he thinks NWG is not a triple threat. Last year and this year's stat lines speak for themselves.

Plus Roaddawg is right about the positions. Captain Obvious knows that they would play different positions at the next level, but in his SR year BRoy handled the ball the majority of the time.

You also lost all credibility with the Gaddy comparison. NWG's frosh year blows away anything Abdul 5* Gaddy did for the Dawgs.

Right now it is fair to label NWG as BRoy Lite.

What about minutes played? And does BRoy's stats include the entire year (Pac-12 games) or only the OOC? And who were the team players that BRoy had as a supporting cast (vs. NWG who is often a one-man show).

I agree with you about NWG being BRoy lite, but I do wonder if there are other factors at play here beyond just the basic per game stats.

I provided the stats mainly to debunk that stupid statement that NWG is not a multiple threat player. Minutes played fall in the favor (34-30) to NWG. You are right about BRoy having a better cast. But at that time he was a different player, mainly playing off the ball with NateRob & Will handling the ball.

A guard with no outside shot is not a triple threat. HTH.

NWG is racking up stats with the ball in his hands on a weak team. Your side by side comparison is meaningless.

Funny, he shot 36% from 3pt land last year, a mark BRoy on surpassed his SR. And you must be a little foggy on your history. BRoy didn't really develop a great outside stroke until his last year.

At the same point of UW career, NWG is a very comparable player to BRoy. If he can learn to finish with both hands around the basket like BRoy, then the sky is the limit.

And for the record, I thought BRoy SR season was the best by any Dawg since Det's 84-85 season (even better if he would have had a 3pt line)

ThomasFremont said:

IrishDawg22 said:

ThomasFremont said:

IrishDawg22 said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

IrishDawg22 said:

So. year stats:

NWG:

14.7 ppg
7.5 apg
5.5 rpg
1.3 spg
.78 ft%
.20 3pt%

BRoy:

12.9 ppg
3.3 apg
5.3 rpg
1.2 spg
.78 ft%
.40 3pt%

At this point in his career, he is as good as BRoy was as a SO. As DNC said, maybe nobody will ever be as good as Roy was his SR year.

And Freemont is just being fucking stupid if he thinks NWG is not a triple threat. Last year and this year's stat lines speak for themselves.

Plus Roaddawg is right about the positions. Captain Obvious knows that they would play different positions at the next level, but in his SR year BRoy handled the ball the majority of the time.

You also lost all credibility with the Gaddy comparison. NWG's frosh year blows away anything Abdul 5* Gaddy did for the Dawgs.

Right now it is fair to label NWG as BRoy Lite.

What about minutes played? And does BRoy's stats include the entire year (Pac-12 games) or only the OOC? And who were the team players that BRoy had as a supporting cast (vs. NWG who is often a one-man show).

I agree with you about NWG being BRoy lite, but I do wonder if there are other factors at play here beyond just the basic per game stats.

I provided the stats mainly to debunk that stupid statement that NWG is not a multiple threat player. Minutes played fall in the favor (34-30) to NWG. You are right about BRoy having a better cast. But at that time he was a different player, mainly playing off the ball with NateRob & Will handling the ball.

A guard with no outside shot is not a triple threat. HTH.

NWG is racking up stats with the ball in his hands on a weak team. Your side by side comparison is meaningless.

Funny, he shot 36% from 3pt land last year, a mark BRoy on surpassed his SR. And you must be a little foggy on your history. BRoy didn't really develop a great outside stroke until his last year.

At the same point of UW career, NWG is a very comparable player to BRoy. If he can learn to finish with both hands around the basket like BRoy, then the sky is the limit.

Unlike Goss, Roy had a midrange game before he developed into a great 3 pt shooter.

If by "comparable" you mean best player on the team, then fine.

Otherwise, all we have done is list a bunch of things Goss can't do as well as Roy.

Congrats.

You have reached He_Needs_More_Cock territory in this thread.

Congrats.