Big Picture Thinking
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A little simplistic, don't you think?Canard said:It's becoming increasing clear that Kellen Moore's four year run as QB was the X factor in the best part of the Boise run under Peenerman. With Tharp and Southwick under center, spud state was very ordinary.
So, if you're hoping for anything as a dawg fan, you're hoping Peenerman has another once in a generation QB fall into his lap. One who apparently doesn't require any development to be a four year starter if the other Boise QBs, and the lack of development in UW's this year, are taken as evidence. -
Nah. Gotta keep it simple around here.
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I think the word is "simple".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
A little simplistic, don't you think?Canard said:It's becoming increasing clear that Kellen Moore's four year run as QB was the X factor in the best part of the Boise run under Peenerman. With Tharp and Southwick under center, spud state was very ordinary.
So, if you're hoping for anything as a dawg fan, you're hoping Peenerman has another once in a generation QB fall into his lap. One who apparently doesn't require any development to be a four year starter if the other Boise QBs, and the lack of development in UW's this year, are taken as evidence.
And yes - he is.
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No one is more simple than you are.dflea said:
I think the word is "simple".Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
A little simplistic, don't you think?Canard said:It's becoming increasing clear that Kellen Moore's four year run as QB was the X factor in the best part of the Boise run under Peenerman. With Tharp and Southwick under center, spud state was very ordinary.
So, if you're hoping for anything as a dawg fan, you're hoping Peenerman has another once in a generation QB fall into his lap. One who apparently doesn't require any development to be a four year starter if the other Boise QBs, and the lack of development in UW's this year, are taken as evidence.
And yes - he is.
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Always amused you discount a guy who won 88% of his games as a head coach.Canard said:Or, sometimes, a program's "franchise QB" makes an ordinary coach look great. After all, isn't that the rap on helfried, that Mariota is "masking" sling blade's presumed incompetence? Shaw's hot start seems to have been courtesy of Andrew Luck.
It isn't farfetched at all that perhaps it was Moore, rather than Petersen, that got the latter his retirement checks from montlake.
What's Gene Chizik doing these days?
Yet, put all your faith in a lifetime assistant who is surfing in the wake of one of the greatest PAC coaches ever.
If Slingblade is smart he has rented an apartment in Columbus and is showing game film to Braxton Miller ... or we will all be poasting about his greatest run being with Marriott.
Wouldn't hurt to be saving some of those checks Chip wrote and pass them along to Braxton too ... but in the form of coffee or cash ... checks are to traceable. -
I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.
Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.
That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.
I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.
Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.
Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.
But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it. -
And Steve Empterman was a 1 star recruit.Canard said:I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.
Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.
That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.
I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.
Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.
Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.
But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it. -
Signing Freeman was also a happy accident. As was Devon Allen, Tyrell Crosby, and the redshirting players and incoming Freshmen who will kick dawg ass in Seattle next season.
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Canard said:
Signing Freeman was also a happy accident. As was Devon Allen, Tyrell Crosby, and the redshirting players and incoming Freshmen who will kick dawg ass in Seattle next season.
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Helfrich deserves credit, although the true test will be the next two years. Larry Coker and the others kept it going for a few years before failing. Give it another year or two before popping off.Canard said:I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.
Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.
That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.
I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.
Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.
Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.
But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it.
I can't argue about Petersen. Many are stuck on his resume, but the Boise coaches before him were successful and didn't succeed at their next stops.
There are many other coaches with great previous resumes that ended up failing. Rich Rodriguez at Michigan is another example. No coaching hire is a guarantee, especially ones from lower levels. -
He was actually a 2 star. Only offers were from WSU, EWU, Idaho,and some JC's I believe.topdawgnc said:
And Steve Empterman was a 1 star recruit.Canard said:I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.
Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.
That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.
I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.
Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.
Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.
But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it. -
This was truly an example of He Needs More Time.RoadDawg55 said:
Helfrich deserves credit, although the true test will be the next two years. Larry Coker and the others kept it going for a few years before failing. Give it another year or two before popping off.Canard said:I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.
Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.
That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.
I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.
Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.
Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.
But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it.
I can't argue about Petersen. Many are stuck on his resume, but the Boise coaches before him were successful and didn't succeed at their next stops.
There are many other coaches with great previous resumes that ended up failing. Rich Rodriguez at Michigan is another example. No coaching hire is a guarantee, especially ones from lower levels. -
Disagree. The energy and morale around the program was fucked with Rich Rod as coach. Michigan just fucked up the next hire.MikeDamone said:
This was truly an example of He Needs More Time.RoadDawg55 said:
Helfrich deserves credit, although the true test will be the next two years. Larry Coker and the others kept it going for a few years before failing. Give it another year or two before popping off.Canard said:I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.
Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.
That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.
I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.
Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.
Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.
But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it.
I can't argue about Petersen. Many are stuck on his resume, but the Boise coaches before him were successful and didn't succeed at their next stops.
There are many other coaches with great previous resumes that ended up failing. Rich Rodriguez at Michigan is another example. No coaching hire is a guarantee, especially ones from lower levels. -
Rich Rod had to go.RoadDawg55 said:
Disagree. The energy and morale around the program was fucked with Rich Rod as coach. Michigan just fucked up the next hire.MikeDamone said:
This was truly an example of He Needs More Time.RoadDawg55 said:
Helfrich deserves credit, although the true test will be the next two years. Larry Coker and the others kept it going for a few years before failing. Give it another year or two before popping off.Canard said:I discount peenerman's 92-12 because it is minor league heavy. Lots of MLB phenoms who get called up in September look fantastic.
Then they make the roster the next spring and look ordinary or worse against the schedule grind as teams develop books on them. Some then get relegated back to AAA and look great again. Those players are derisively called "AAAA talent." Not quite big leaguers.
That's what I think Peenerman is—AAAA. If he goes 6-6 or worse next season his BCS/P5 record is slouching toward .500 all time.
I don't put all my faith in a career assistant, especially one with helfrieds resume. That said, Chip picked him and endorsed him to run a system. I trust that system and put my faith in that. And whatever hellboys other flaws real or imagined, a poor eye for talent isn't among them. He, not chip, discovered Mariota languishing on the pine as a HS junior and career back-up. Got him an offer before he ever took a snap as a high school starter.
Hellfried doesn't need the poor passing Braxton Miller. He's picked up some good talent since Mariota's signing. I think he'll find at least one serviceable QB among the three-to-five he'll have to choose from and turn to Royce Freeman, also a Hellboy recruit, behind a youthful and forced to be experienced offensive line, to carry the offense early next year while that new QB finds his game.
Should Hellboy get to the playoff, and get to the Dallas game, a sad realization will start to set in here. He will have done that mainly behind the efforts of offensive players he recruited as OC or as HC, because many of the young WRs, the young plugged in offensive linemen filling in for injured veterans, the new star RB, and "old" Mariota himself, are pieces he identified and signed, most since Chip has been gone.
But you have 92-12, which is deteriorating against top drawer competition. You're welcome to it.
I can't argue about Petersen. Many are stuck on his resume, but the Boise coaches before him were successful and didn't succeed at their next stops.
There are many other coaches with great previous resumes that ended up failing. Rich Rodriguez at Michigan is another example. No coaching hire is a guarantee, especially ones from lower levels.
He's nothing special at Arizona. If he doesn't beat Oregon ... nobodies talking about him. -
The proof was trucking your guys all over the field back in October. Lots of the Ducks involved in that plungering are true Frosh or Sophs, or RSFrosh. Your willful blindness that the current staff ain't Lambo or Coker and Co. will eventually clear up.topdawgnc said:Canard said:Signing Freeman was also a happy accident. As was Devon Allen, Tyrell Crosby, and the redshirting players and incoming Freshmen who will kick dawg ass in Seattle next season.
Is he Chip? No, but that doesn't automatically doom him either. Our OC to HC promotions have a track record of success. -
Is it Boise? No, but that doesn't automatically doom Peterman either. That is my point.Canard said:
The proof was trucking your guys all over the field back in October. Lots of the Ducks involved in that plungering are true Frosh or Sophs, or RSFrosh. Your willful blindness that the current staff ain't Lambo or Coker and Co. will eventually clear up.topdawgnc said:Canard said:Signing Freeman was also a happy accident. As was Devon Allen, Tyrell Crosby, and the redshirting players and incoming Freshmen who will kick dawg ass in Seattle next season.
Is he Chip? No, but that doesn't automatically doom him either. Our OC to HC promotions have a track record of success.
And you have one track record of success. I don't consider Bellotti a home run ... he kept the program from going in the ditch until Chip took it to the next level. -
Bellotti was an improvement upon Brooks, no two ways about it.
