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The issue with the QBing became clear to me during the ASU game.
Dennis_DeYoung
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The offense is too fucking complicated and has no direction (well, the no direction thing was clear at UH). When Troy just played and didn't have to think too much against Oregon, he was fine. The more Miley got comfortable, the better he looked.
Toward the end of the game Troy (other than the pick 6) looked better because he was just slinging it. You can tell they put a fucking brainlock on the young QBs by asking them to be Kellen fucking Moore as a senior because that's how they think you win games. How about play to our strength as a run-first team, then start to get the play-action working with two routes and some fucking sluggos?
For Christ's sake--how fucking complicated does our offense need to be when both Cooper and Shaq were over 5ypc? Why are we doing multiple shifts and making Troy (or Miles) brain-freeze by having them have to read the entire fucking defense to throw a pass?
When I look back at Mark Brunell's first few starts, there was no way he was more sophisticated than our QBs now... it was just that the offense wasn't designed for a Rhodes Scholar senior and actually took his talents into account. I'm not willing to say our talent is shit on offense--the mind talent is the fucking problem; even fucking Sark didn't dick around this much.
The only 'high percentage' pass we throw is to the fucking sidelines to Jaydon FUCKING MICKENS!?!? Why do we ever throw it to Jaydon Fucking Mickens?
Also--great creative wrinkle bringing the Mad Swede in to just run forward. No one has been able to figure that out yet! Might want to try it 6 times so even the announcers know he's going to just run forward.
Jesus.
FJS-FYFMFE.
Toward the end of the game Troy (other than the pick 6) looked better because he was just slinging it. You can tell they put a fucking brainlock on the young QBs by asking them to be Kellen fucking Moore as a senior because that's how they think you win games. How about play to our strength as a run-first team, then start to get the play-action working with two routes and some fucking sluggos?
For Christ's sake--how fucking complicated does our offense need to be when both Cooper and Shaq were over 5ypc? Why are we doing multiple shifts and making Troy (or Miles) brain-freeze by having them have to read the entire fucking defense to throw a pass?
When I look back at Mark Brunell's first few starts, there was no way he was more sophisticated than our QBs now... it was just that the offense wasn't designed for a Rhodes Scholar senior and actually took his talents into account. I'm not willing to say our talent is shit on offense--the mind talent is the fucking problem; even fucking Sark didn't dick around this much.
The only 'high percentage' pass we throw is to the fucking sidelines to Jaydon FUCKING MICKENS!?!? Why do we ever throw it to Jaydon Fucking Mickens?
Also--great creative wrinkle bringing the Mad Swede in to just run forward. No one has been able to figure that out yet! Might want to try it 6 times so even the announcers know he's going to just run forward.
Jesus.
FJS-FYFMFE.
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Some of us knew this by the end of September.
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Yeah, well, I was too busy drinking and painting portraits of Marques Tuiasosopo to fully grasp it.MikeDamone said:Some of us knew this by the end of September.
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But how is Jonathan Smiff a bad coach?
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I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. The passing offense is as vanilla as it gets. They aren't asking the QB's to do anything complex at all.
Brunell as a sophomore was 50 times the QB anyone as we have on this roster. -
And they're bringing jake browning in in january, if you can't see Joseph Smith putting his eggs in that basket (75k) I can't help you.
They're not changing the offense anytime soon. -
yeah, but basing troy's qb abilities by stepping in and winging it against an oregon team that hadn't seen him before and had already wrapped up the game and with a very small sample size of plays versus dropping him in as a starter in a night game against a team whose first stringers are gunning for your head is a little bit different. I honestly think it was crazy to expect any type of success from Williams on Saturday night. This is one that truly does need to play out... he's a kid who was just thrust from #3 up to starter in a very short time.
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@Meek - I haven't written Troy off and I'm back from the dead on Miles. If all of your highly-sought-after QBs suck for similar reasons, then it's probably not the QBs that suck--it's the coaching.
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Seriously, it is like someone complaining that all of the people they date are crazy....the common denominator is them (and likely the actual source of crazy).Dennis_DeYoung said:@Meek - I haven't written Troy off and I'm back from the dead on Miles. If all of your highly-sought-after QBs suck for similar reasons, then it's probably not the QBs that suck--it's the coaching.
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Williams looked freer the more he could play on the sandlot ...
He also was 18 of 26 ... so he wasn't a dumpster fire.
For whatever reason we can't rip throws in the intermediate or deep passing game to make it easier to run the football.
Yes, I get that we ran for 5 yards per carry. But honestly, we had one drive that really helped on that. The rest we'd get 2 strong runs followed by a run that was a loss that put us behind down/distance. Our OL or our RBs aren't good enough to tell everybody in the world that they are running the ball and get away with it. -
15-23 for 86 yards, 3 turnovers before the final drive when it was 24-10 and ASU was in prevent. There could have been two or three more INT's. He telegraphed a couple of quick slants that were jumped. You said Miles completion percentage doesn't matter (which I agree with), so why does Williams? Watch the game again and see the times he took off to run. He looked like a young QB that wasn't ready to play. If you want to blame it on the weather and coaching (both were a factor) that's fine, but he was terrible. If Miles played that game you wouldn't be saying it wasn't a complete dumpster fire.Tequilla said:Williams looked freer the more he could play on the sandlot ...
He also was 18 of 26 ... so he wasn't a dumpster fire.
For whatever reason we can't rip throws in the intermediate or deep passing game to make it easier to run the football.
Yes, I get that we ran for 5 yards per carry. But honestly, we had one drive that really helped on that. The rest we'd get 2 strong runs followed by a run that was a loss that put us behind down/distance. Our OL or our RBs aren't good enough to tell everybody in the world that they are running the ball and get away with it.
Anyways, as bad as Williams was, this game was on the coaches. When everything on offense is a mess, it points to bad coaching. This week basically cemented what I have thought for awhile.
