Should have asked me. We actually say the Nicene Creed every week at our church (protestant, not catholics). And the council was called to discuss a response to Arianism.
Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
I was just in Pompeii, and you see all of the\ walls were adorned with frescos of roman myths, which are mostly ripping off greek myths. Then you go to the Vatican and you see they have walls adorned with a bunch of Christian myths.
On the one hand, I found comfort in the timeless humanity of it. How similar people are/were even when life was much harder, and usually shorter. They had their arenas; we have our arenas. They painted pictures of people in robes doing fake shit, and modern people continue the trend. It's almost like we can't help ourselves.
On the other hand, you start to realize that everyone's myths are basically copies of older myths, that are often lost to time but not always. Many societies have stories about virgin births. Most of the parables purported to be from JHC in the New Testament or "Christian" takes on pagan parables, which are probably older than the pagans. I know the flood and all of that from the old testament was basically stolen from the Epic of Gilgamesh so that' true for the Jews too.
Sermon Seeker - TRUE believer in REAL God (protestant division)
Alternative theory
There is something that has caused all these similarities since the dawn of time for humans. The rock we are on is billions of years old. We've been here a couple of seconds
Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
I had not heard of it so went googling and maybe it rings a bell deep in my brain as something I was previously exposed to. I haven't moved changed my views on anything since my rant back on page 2.
Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
I had forgotten about this thread, particularly how sensitive some are to taking their standard Hardcore Husky lumps when it comes to this topic.
Raised Nazarene, church and Sunday school every week, played on the basketball team, did lock-ins and trips and whatnot, friends also went there, yadda yadda yadda. Switched to the new Foursquare church that opened up around my freshman year in high school when everyone else did because it was the new hotness. Youth pastor spoke like a surf bra like literally every youth pastor on earth, but that's his job.
I never questioned it until I found myself with a long-term girlfriend who was smarter than me, not religious, and fine with me touching her vagina. It became kind of hard to keep going to church and being told that what I was doing was wrong and I was going to hell. That late in my mental development, it was literally the first challenge to religion I'd ever experienced, and I found out quickly that the whole concept was a house of cards in my mind. I mean, Jesus didn't have a vagina that I could touch. Amazing how silly it all suddenly seemed the very first time I actually stopped to think about it. From then forward, I decided to just ditch the whole concept and just do what makes me happy and be good to people, tie going to the latter.
Turns out I'm lucky (or not depending on where you stand in this thread). There is science behind the difficulty in changing one's mind. Every brain is built differently, both nature and nurture, and some people are going to find it far harder to change core beliefs. Google will return a thousand papers if you look, but a quick summary can be found in this article by some UConn professor titled Cognitive Biases and Brain Biology Help Explain Why Facts Don't Change Minds. Quick summary from the article:
"Your worldview, including beliefs and opinions, starts to form during childhood as you’re socialized within a particular cultural context. It gets reinforced over time by the social groups you keep, the media you consume, even how your brain functions. It influences how you think of yourself and how you interact with the world.
For many people, a challenge to their worldview feels like an attack on their personal identity and can cause them to harden their position."
There are few if any spring chickens at Hardcore Husky. Everyone here's had plenty of time and been provided with plenty of evidence to help them change their mind if they were ever going to. Comparing notes is fun and all, but the more detailed and researched the notes, the more pain centers are going to be activated in brains.
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Exactly.
Should have asked me. We actually say the Nicene Creed every week at our church (protestant, not catholics). And the council was called to discuss a response to Arianism.
You're in like the 99th percentile on knowledge right off that bat.
@dnc has probably read it in the original Koine Greek.
Πιστεύομεν εἰς ἕνα Θεὸν Πατέρα παντοκράτορα, πάντων ὁρατῶν τε καὶ ἀοράτων ποιητήν·
καὶ εἰς ἕνα Κύριον Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ, γεννηθέντα ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς [μονογενῆ, τοὐτέστιν ἐκ τῆς οὐσίας τοῦ Πατρός, Θεὸν ἐκ Θεοῦ,] Φῶς ἐκ Φωτός, Θεὸν ἀληθινὸν ἐκ Θεοῦ ἀληθινοῦ, γεννηθέντα, οὐ ποιηθέντα, ὁμοούσιον τῷ Πατρί,
The Lutheran church i went to as a kid read it once a year
So my Swede ancestors were Presbyterians. How does that work?
Luther was German
I'm Swedish German British
no comprende the greek por favor
I was just in Pompeii, and you see all of the\ walls were adorned with frescos of roman myths, which are mostly ripping off greek myths. Then you go to the Vatican and you see they have walls adorned with a bunch of Christian myths.
On the one hand, I found comfort in the timeless humanity of it. How similar people are/were even when life was much harder, and usually shorter. They had their arenas; we have our arenas. They painted pictures of people in robes doing fake shit, and modern people continue the trend. It's almost like we can't help ourselves.
On the other hand, you start to realize that everyone's myths are basically copies of older myths, that are often lost to time but not always. Many societies have stories about virgin births. Most of the parables purported to be from JHC in the New Testament or "Christian" takes on pagan parables, which are probably older than the pagans. I know the flood and all of that from the old testament was basically stolen from the Epic of Gilgamesh so that' true for the Jews too.
In summary, it's all a crock of shit.
Alternative theory
There is something that has caused all these similarities since the dawn of time for humans. The rock we are on is billions of years old. We've been here a couple of seconds
Mrs Throbber v1.0 had a theory that REAL God sprinkled his basics across the entirety of the globe (or flat earth as the case may be).
Then man fucked up the basics to his own agenda - and because of distance, the fuckery became more pronounced over time. And viola! Religions.
I had not heard of it so went googling and maybe it rings a bell deep in my brain as something I was previously exposed to. I haven't
movedchanged my views on anything since my rant back on page 2.I had forgotten about this thread, particularly how sensitive some are to taking their standard Hardcore Husky lumps when it comes to this topic.
Raised Nazarene, church and Sunday school every week, played on the basketball team, did lock-ins and trips and whatnot, friends also went there, yadda yadda yadda. Switched to the new Foursquare church that opened up around my freshman year in high school when everyone else did because it was the new hotness. Youth pastor spoke like a surf bra like literally every youth pastor on earth, but that's his job.
I never questioned it until I found myself with a long-term girlfriend who was smarter than me, not religious, and fine with me touching her vagina. It became kind of hard to keep going to church and being told that what I was doing was wrong and I was going to hell. That late in my mental development, it was literally the first challenge to religion I'd ever experienced, and I found out quickly that the whole concept was a house of cards in my mind. I mean, Jesus didn't have a vagina that I could touch. Amazing how silly it all suddenly seemed the very first time I actually stopped to think about it. From then forward, I decided to just ditch the whole concept and just do what makes me happy and be good to people, tie going to the latter.
Turns out I'm lucky (or not depending on where you stand in this thread). There is science behind the difficulty in changing one's mind. Every brain is built differently, both nature and nurture, and some people are going to find it far harder to change core beliefs. Google will return a thousand papers if you look, but a quick summary can be found in this article by some UConn professor titled Cognitive Biases and Brain Biology Help Explain Why Facts Don't Change Minds. Quick summary from the article:
"Your worldview, including beliefs and opinions, starts to form during childhood as you’re socialized within a particular cultural context. It gets reinforced over time by the social groups you keep, the media you consume, even how your brain functions. It influences how you think of yourself and how you interact with the world.
For many people, a challenge to their worldview feels like an attack on their personal identity and can cause them to harden their position."
There are few if any spring chickens at Hardcore Husky. Everyone here's had plenty of time and been provided with plenty of evidence to help them change their mind if they were ever going to. Comparing notes is fun and all, but the more detailed and researched the notes, the more pain centers are going to be activated in brains.
I'm gonna check out this paper. Thanks for sharing.