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What the fuck happened to Greatwood (LOL)? Oregon has had about the best OL in the Pac sans Stanford for years....RoadDawg55 said:@AZDuck- Correct me where I am wrong. Oregon's OL is bad. WR's are young, but talented. They probably rank somewhere in the middle compared to the rest of the Pac 12. Very good RB's.
On defense, mediocre DL. Bad LB's. A pretty good secondary, but substantially worse than last year's. Pellum has been no better than Allioti.
Without Mariota, you lose to Michigan State, you likely lose to WSU, and you lost to Arizona with him. Helfrich sucks and Oregon would be .500 without him. The rest of your team isn't very good like it has been the past 6 years and you no longer have a great head coach. -
We have had great talent enter this program for years, in less than a full season under Peterman and his staff, they are flowering. We see this every week this season, the players keep improving, can't wait for a couple of seasons under this staff to see what the team can accomplish. Fuck we have had a lot of frauds as coaches.
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I agree with this line of thought, as I did with every super star they've had over the last 7 years.RoadDawg55 said:@AZDuck- Correct me where I am wrong. Oregon's OL is bad. WR's are young, but talented. They probably rank somewhere in the middle compared to the rest of the Pac 12. Very good RB's.
On defense, mediocre DL. Bad LB's. A pretty good secondary, but substantially worse than last year's. Pellum has been no better than Allioti.
Without Mariota, you lose to Michigan State, you likely lose to WSU, and you lost to Arizona with him. Helfrich sucks and Oregon would be .500 without him. The rest of your team isn't very good like it has been the past 6 years and you no longer have a great head coach.
Dixon
Masoli
Thomas
Stewart
Blount
James
until they stop recruiting and developing stars, I wont count on graduation to slow them down.
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Greatwood is still there, and the OL isn't as bad as it is banged up. We also have probably the best stable of RBs in the conference, and one of the best in the nation. The WRs have actually been exceeding my expectations for the season. Devon Allen is going to get paid in the NFL. The DL is serviceable, and the secondary is very good, with John Neal who is one of the best DB coaches around. The LBs suck. The defensive scheme as a whole is bend-but-don't-break shit. That's all Don Pellum.
On the whole I think our offense is still the best in the league - we did whatever the fuck we wanted against UCLA. The defense is a dumpster fire, and I'm convinced that Helfraud is a -1 coach.Without Mariota, you lose to Michigan State, you likely lose to WSU, and you lost to Arizona with him.
I can play doog games too. Without the OL injuries, we probably beat the fuck out of Arizona and Wazzu and would still be in contention for a playoff berth.
Without a doubt Mariota is the best player on Oregon's team, but he isn't the team. -
Chip Kelly >>>>>> Helfrich. Oregon will continue to have stars, that's not the point. Freeman will be a star. Devon Allen looks like another.brchco12 said:
I agree with this line of thought, as I did with every super star they've had over the last 7 years.RoadDawg55 said:@AZDuck- Correct me where I am wrong. Oregon's OL is bad. WR's are young, but talented. They probably rank somewhere in the middle compared to the rest of the Pac 12. Very good RB's.
On defense, mediocre DL. Bad LB's. A pretty good secondary, but substantially worse than last year's. Pellum has been no better than Allioti.
Without Mariota, you lose to Michigan State, you likely lose to WSU, and you lost to Arizona with him. Helfrich sucks and Oregon would be .500 without him. The rest of your team isn't very good like it has been the past 6 years and you no longer have a great head coach.
Dixon
Masoli
Thomas
Stewart
Blount
James
until they stop recruiting and developing stars, I wont count on graduation to slow them down.
It's played out. With Helfrich as their coach and Mariota gone, the run is over. It might be over this year with Mariota. I don't consider that dooging, it's common sense. -
If Helfrich can't produce wins at the Bellotti level, he will be door-ass-out. But really, I think your team should actually beat us once or twice before you can pronounce the run truly over.
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Hit him. Again. And again.RaceBannon said:Gonna need some discipline in the two hole this week. Mariotta self tackled himself against Arizona on a run that could have gone 80 up the gut for a TD and changed that game
Stay in your lanes and keep him contained. Marriottaa is the one reason I lack a lot of confidence this week
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It's not about UW. HTH. If I was saying UW was going to be a power, that would be one thing. I know we aren't close to that at this point. The point was Oregon would be a .500 team without Mariota. To say otherwise, and say Mariota isn't masking huge issues with your program is Quooking. It's been evident all year.AZDuck said:If Helfrich can't produce wins at the Bellotti level, he will be door-ass-out. But really, I think your team should actually beat us once or twice before you can pronounce the run truly over.
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I hear what you're saying, I just remember thinking this when Chip came in to begin with, 5 years from now we'll actually know what was going on right now.
I'd like to believe we're getting a hell of alot better over the next couple years, and hope that they've already plateaued than to put all my hope in them sucking. Doogs just hope their rivals get worse.
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Marshall/Tyner/Freeman/Ifo/Grasu/Fisher/Allen/Armstead
Each of these guys is an NFL-type player who is not named Mariota.
My nightmare is that because Helfrich is a good recruiter (arguably, recruiting has improved post-Kelly) that we will coast on talent well enough to keep Helfrich around but without the competing for championships part. 7-10 wins a season type stuff. I don't see Helfrich driving the Ferrari into the ditch, that would make things too easy and clear.
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If Arik Armstead is still out I would say the Ducks DL is sub-par.
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Armstead is supposed to be back this weekend, he made the trip to UCLA and would have been available if needed then
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DamnitAZDuck said:Armstead is supposed to be back this weekend, he made the trip to UCLA and would have been available if needed then
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Nobody thinks you are going into the ditch. Your nightmare is looking like a near certainty.AZDuck said:Marshall/Tyner/Freeman/Ifo/Grasu/Fisher/Allen/Armstead
Each of these guys is an NFL-type player who is not named Mariota.
My nightmare is that because Helfrich is a good recruiter (arguably, recruiting has improved post-Kelly) that we will coast on talent well enough to keep Helfrich around but without the competing for championships part. 7-10 wins a season type stuff. I don't see Helfrich driving the Ferrari into the ditch, that would make things too easy and clear. -
Elite programs don't collapse. They slowly fall back and metrics show that if you are elite for several years, you are likely to be top 25 after that.RoadDawg55 said:
Nobody thinks you are going into the ditch. Your nightmare is looking like a near certainty.AZDuck said:Marshall/Tyner/Freeman/Ifo/Grasu/Fisher/Allen/Armstead
Each of these guys is an NFL-type player who is not named Mariota.
My nightmare is that because Helfrich is a good recruiter (arguably, recruiting has improved post-Kelly) that we will coast on talent well enough to keep Helfrich around but without the competing for championships part. 7-10 wins a season type stuff. I don't see Helfrich driving the Ferrari into the ditch, that would make things too easy and clear.
Miami peaked in 2001 and didn't win less than 9 until 2006. Osborne left Nebraska after 1997 and Solich still won 9-12-10-11-7-10 then fell off in 2004. Lambright wasn't good but he did have a co-title in 95, then missed out on the RB by 3 pts to an almost NC ASU. He failed in 97 when he had the best team in the conference.
Best case scenario my be what Ron Zook did at Florida. He immediately went 8-5 a few times and they were able to quickly can him and bring in Meyer. Maybe without Mariota Oregon will have a big drop next year and Helfrich won't be able to recover after that. -
It's eye opening to me that it is eye opening to you.dnc said:
Shit, I was saying only Peters was a first rounder in the offseason. The improvement by the other three, particularly Shelton and Shaq, is eye opening.Swaye said:
I remember (sort of) like a month ago saying no way they are all first rounders, or even close. Not so sure anymore. Depending on team needs I could certainly see Kikaha, Shelton, and Peters all go if they do well at the combine, and Shaq is right there as well (LBers aren't at the premium shutdown corners and DL are which is all the would hold him back imo). Testament to getting coached up and put in the position to succeed.dnc said:
Shelton > Kikaha > Shaq > PetersCuntWaffle said:Kikaha without a doubt is our best player. He was one of our best defensive players as a true freshman when he went by Jamora.
The casual fan will think Shaq is the best defensive player since he gets the scores but Kikaha (and possibly Shelton has a much bigger impact on the game than him.
No disrespect to Shaq though he is a monster in his own right. This defense is fun to watch.
All four are fucking studs.
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Loving how we are actually seeing improvement from players as they grow rather than peaking as freshmen like during the Sark years. I'm not ready to go full doog on the defense though. Our defense statistically is still not very good, which is crazy considering there are 4 legit All-American candidates on the defense. Were ranked in the high 60's in yards per game given up and in the 30's in points per game given up. I would hope we would have better than a Justin Wilcox defense.
Part of that is the fucking stupid scrimmages against Hawaii and Eastern we had earlier this year. They jacked up our defense pretty good. The good news is were trending up. Stanford had less on offense than what they average this year and the Cal game was fantastic considering Cal's offense.
