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Passenger plane from Wichita collides with DC police helicopter minutes ago arriving to Dulles

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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,043 Founders Club

    Such fag, Buck.

    You fucking splooge bucket, there's multiple pilots on this board, don't let that stop you from embarrassing yourself further though. Please do post your thoughts.

  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,266

    Please provide evidence of airlines and the ATC making "DEI" hires for years. Please provide statistical evidence of there being more aircraft incidents since whatever make believe DEI programs you think exist were initiated. Or even an NTSB report where a contributing cause of an incident/accident was

    Aviation safety requires objective evaluation of competency for any operational role. The system breaks down without that. The industry has definitely tried to expand the overall hiring pool in the past 2 decades simply to help the labor force. That's not DEI because if you're not qualified you're not gonna get hired. There has been no lessening of expectations; if anything they have gotten stricter in order to continue to improve the safety margins of the industry.

  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club

    Look I'd like to keep it classy too and I like having new blood here. But for informational purposes, and I am not an expert in either DEI or ATC but this is where this comes from. Bonchie is red state never Trumper at heart and generally reasonable. No idea if this is true but we are down ATC and it didn't happen 8 days ago. This is a free space to discuss shit including unconfirmed reports of Jewish Space Lasers. Its a tragedy but sometimes we laugh in the face of death as a coping mechanism

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,541 Standard Supporter

    When you are promoted based on how many lesbians and POC that you hire versus job performance only a leftard would think that actual job performance will improve. You can pretend that ATC wouldn't be affected by hiring based on sexual preference, trans status and POC but that's what leftards feel. United's CEO promised to hire pilots based on DEI and that was a big deal here on the Tug. Safety was a secondary concern.

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  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028

    But for informational purposes, here's a tweet of a retweet of a headline of a screenshot of a Washington Times article.

    Much info, very smart.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club

    Look ern this is a discussion among adults. If you freak out at anything that doesn't march what you have been told then this isn't the place for you

    Attacking the source is 3rd grade debate stuff. Your lack of ability to present a counter is noted

  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,043 Founders Club

    Up until about two months ago it was bragged about.

    Do we really need to additionally prove how both federal agencies and the military were using DEI as criteria for hiring?

    My company is STILL using it in critical infrastructure hiring. Imagine how de-prioritizing hiring 60% of the population affects an already difficult qualified labor shortage.

    You can claim it doesn't affect standards. You can claim it wasn't a contributing factor in THIS incident. To claim it isn't happening and never did at all is wild.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/american-airlines-ends-dei-hiring-practices-after-facing-discrimination-charges-conservative-watchdog

  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,721 Founders Club
  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,595 Swaye's Wigwam

    No you're not, and based on your multiple personalities, you'd think one of them would proofread your posts before hitting enter.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,676 Standard Supporter

    Fern, tighten up your skirt and try and be normal instead of Abbynormal.

  • SwoopTheMoon
    SwoopTheMoon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 209

    first of all I am not Buck-second, let’s see who the pilots are on this thread. What’s tomato flames?

    I know your all gonna google anyway.

  • EverettChris
    EverettChris Member Posts: 7,923 Standard Supporter
    edited January 30

    It’s A-TOMATOES-FLAMES, Lucky Lindbergh.

    I’m no pilot, but you messed up your Google search, Spaz.

  • SwoopTheMoon
    SwoopTheMoon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 209
    edited January 30

    Hey @EverettChris-if you were a pilot you would have 100% known what I was talking about without the "A" part and said "bro you forgot + FLAPS". Thanks for confirming you google everything.

    Clearly you're a part 91 instead of 131. I will let you google that as well for the difference. For all you non pilot people (everyone except me) I just called him an amateur.

  • Logistics
    Logistics Member Posts: 130

    Airline captain here with over 17000 hours.

    I haven't dealt with that VFR stuff since my GA days over 20 years ago.

  • SwoopTheMoon
    SwoopTheMoon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 209

    @Logistics There we go baby you know what's up!!!

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,676 Standard Supporter

    My oldest brother retired a few years ago he was a captain for a major airlines. My high school buddy was a Marine Harrier pilot for the gulf war and Bosnia and about to retire from the airlines. He is an FAA designee for his airline and certifies their pilots. My friends says the crap he's giving check rides a certs to is not good. DEI struck there too. I travel by RV most of the time myself.

  • SwoopTheMoon
    SwoopTheMoon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 209

    @Sledog My dad's first uncle second wife removed runs the FAA bro. I am also not surprised that you live in an RV. You can find @Logistics and I in the pilot lounge baby.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,676 Standard Supporter

    I don't live in an RV I travel in one. I don't like flying because it sucks but long flights are all I do if I travel and it's farther than we want to drive. Airlines seats are more than half a fit narrower than my shoulders. Uncomfortable unless I 1st class. So we RV and first class the liner stuff. But I really don't want a DEI pilot flying me anywhere.

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,541 Standard Supporter

    Just remember how big DEI was/is for woke dems and those who vote for them. Trump was criticized today for mentioning DEI. Leftards still think that DEI somehow (exactly how is never mentioned) and that mentioning DEI is bigoted/racist/homophobic and system institutional racism. Like I said, they have learned nothing from the November vote. It is still just messaging. But having an actual conversation about it is bad form.

    https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/01/30/flashback-bidens-faa-focused-on-diversity-hired-workers-with-severe-disabilities-n4936514

    FLASHBACK: Biden's FAA Focused on Diversity, Hiring Workers With Severe Disabilities

    Matt Margolis | 12:21 PM on January 30, 2025    

    While we don’t know yet what caused the midair collision between the U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter and a civilian airliner in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday night, renewed attention is turning to Biden-era DEI initiatives at the FAA and whether they may have played a role.

    “The Federal Aviation Administration is actively recruiting workers who suffer ‘severe intellectual’ disabilities, psychiatric problems and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website,” the New York Post reported a year ago.

    “Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the Federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring,” the FAA’s website stated. “They include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability, and dwarfism.”

    The FAA’s website also noted that individuals with “severe” mental and physical disabilities are the most underrepresented group within the federal workforce.

    “Because diversity is so critical, FAA actively supports and engages in a variety of associations, programs, coalitions, and initiatives to support and accommodate employees from diverse communities and backgrounds. Our people are our strength, and we take great care in investing in and valuing them as such,” the website stated.

    The initiative is part of the FAA’s “Diversity and Inclusion” hiring plan, which claims “diversity is integral to achieving FAA’s mission of ensuring safe and efficient travel across our nation and beyond.”

    The FAA’s website shows the agency’s guidelines on diversity hiring were last updated on March 23, 2022.

    The FAA, which is overseen by Secretary Pete Buttigieg’s Department of Transportation, is a government agency charged with regulating civil aviation and employs roughly 45,000 people.

    Obviously, there is no factual basis to support the claim that “diversity” enhances the safety or efficiency of travel — absolutely none. Common sense alone tells us that individuals with certain “severe intellectual disabilities” present a significant risk to the flying public. 

    “The aviation industry has a responsibility for traveler safety just as the health care industry has a responsibility for patient safety. These responsibilities outweigh other factors when considering applicants to work in those fields. People with disabilities who can successfully complete the task should never face discrimination,” Dr. Stanley Goldfarb, chairman of Do No Harm, told Fox News Digital last year.  However, he noted that identity politics is “creating opportunities for so-called oppressed groups by lowering standards for entry into those fields and thereby endangering the safety of those which it’s designed to serve. Some endeavors simply do not lend themselves to identity politics.”

    Conservatives were quick to criticize the policy.

    “As someone who has been flying all over America — and sometimes the world — for decades, I've had to put my faith and trust in everyone involved in the safety of the aircraft and the journey,” PJ Media’s Stephen Kruiser wrote at the time. “The modern airline industry has, for the most part, earned that faith and trust. Now it seems as if it's trying to see how quickly that trust can be eroded.”

  • SwoopTheMoon
    SwoopTheMoon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 209
    edited January 30

    Oh wow @WestlinnDuck thinks that someone over 5 feet tall is only allowed to be a controller! Also, this articles discusses the FAA overall. There are other people who work for the FAA other than air traffic controllers. Someone with epilepsy can't process a 3rd class medical certificate? Someone who is hard of hearing can't work for FSDO in the lobby as an assistant? An army veteran who had their leg blown off form an IED can't do air traffic control and do ground control? (these are pilot terms let me know if you need clarification).

    Once again I am SHOCKED to hear this board say that the only people that can work for the FAA are tall white people but I am honestly shouldn't be surprised. A blind Wal Mart greeter is still a "Walmart" employee. It doesn't mean that they are the ones calibrating the tv's in the showroom!!!

    If you guys REALLY cared about aviation safety (or actually knew anything about aviation in general) you would know that the removal of a co-pilot, removal of ATC towers at non major airports and remote ATC management (AKA controller isn't sitting at the airport) but I can't seem to find the outrage.

    I also would post a tail number but I actually own the plane and you can find my address so I dont want you weirdos showing up at my house or @Sledog to park infront of it and become my unwanted neighbor.

  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,595 Swaye's Wigwam

    Buddy of mine is a Delta pilot- they just hired a pilot who failed four checkrides. If you think there's no DEI in the airlines you haven't been listening to Ed Bastian.

  • SwoopTheMoon
    SwoopTheMoon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 209
    edited January 30

    @georgiaduck which checkride did he fail? Private? Commercial? Tailwheel? Float? Multi? It is common to have a failed check ride and also weird to have your fellow co worker check you up on IACRA (will let you google that). It is not unheard of to have money hungry DPE's (will let you google that) fail you to have them clock in another $1k exam fee because you did something that they deemed unsafe. Now what is unsafe is subjective by them, so it causes a lot of problems.

    Once again a board full of "friends of XYZ". Let me know when you boys get in the sky for real (other than @Logistics he has passed his board checkride with his VFR post).

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,541 Standard Supporter

    The answers to all your questions is no. If they are qualified, then fine hire them. But that would mean they were competent. If they aren't, then to get the "numbers" quota right you have to hire incompetent dwarves. You leftards live in a bubble when you think that when the Secret Service was looking to hit 30% DEI candidates that they were talking about file clerks? You think that Mayor Buttplug who couldn't fix North Bend pot holes was competent to run the Transportation Dept? When the CEO of United was promising to hire DEI pilots he was talking about flight attendants? If the FAA was dropping white job applications based solely on race, especially white males, they were interested in competence? Leftards lied and love to be lied to. You think proper handling of nuclear waste was Sam Brinton's priority? Or the dementia patient's?

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  • HuskyBuck
    HuskyBuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,207 Founders Club

    lol that’s a surprise. EverettChris chiming in on a subject he doesn’t know a thing about?

    Actually it’s not a surprise. That’s every subject EverettChris chimes in on. That man is stupid.


    Bless all the victims in that crash. I’m not interested in the politics either way here.

  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,595 Swaye's Wigwam

    I don't need to google any of it HB, you may continue on with your private circle jerk.

    Who knows which four- (actually five after I confirmed with my friend). Prospective pilot checked a box and had a relative who was pushing Delta for her as well.

    Again, if you're not listening to what Ed says about DEI, you aren't paying attention.