I don't disagree about public land management. And you could actually make a stronger case about local governance if you chose to. I believe Pacific Palisades includes a state park, not USFS land; Eaton Canyon is an LA County recreation area.
Try starting a fire on the beach in Cali and get a visit from the police. Start a fire in a homeless camp and get some free drug paraphernalia and fire fighting equipment. Oh, and no need to pull a permit to hack into the electric grid. Only 24 reported homeless camp fires in LA responded to by the fire department. Nothing to see here. I'm still waiting for a huge summer fire in Portland's Forest Park started by a homeless camp.
Firefighters say that L.A.'s hellacious firestorm started at 10:30 Tuesday morning in Topanga Canyon. This paradise is — was? — filled with bespoke homes and came with built-in privacy — a rare commodity. People have been uprooted, their family memories are in ashes, and they have to find a place to sleep tonight. Evacuated entertainment stars such as James Woods, Ben Affleck, Eugene Levy, and more likely haven't had a chance to ask this secondary question: What started this fire?
First, any number of things could have started the fire that turned into a conflagration that destroyed untold numbers of homes and scorched at least 3,000 acres — and counting — of prime Los Angeles area real estate. Someone could have flicked a cigarette butt out the window. Car exhaust could have sparked dry brush on the side of the road. Arsonists have been known to purposely set fires in Southern California.
Or maybe it was the same thing that started fires in the past: homeless encampments.
In 2021, Topanga Canyon residents were so concerned with homeless encampments and fire danger that they ostensibly "banned" them. The L.A. County Board of Supervisors voted to ban homeless camps because cooking dinner or drugs outside in dry brush is a really dumb idea.
Film producer and conservative Mike Cernovich predicts that before the embers are put out of the Palisades fire, a Hollywood "sh*tlib" will blame it not on homeless encampments or an arsonist but on climate change.
Blaming these fires on "climate change" when there's little to no fire mitigation (clearing brush, trimming undergrowth, managing forests) and allowing millions of acre-feet of water to be washed out to sea are also really dumb ideas. Maybe these dumb ideas are what they mean by "man-made" climate change.
It's hard to ignore the record.
Fire officials say that homeless camp wildfires doubled from 2020 to 2023 to 13,909. There were 24 "homeless related" fires in LA County responded to every day of 2021.
According to NBC 4 in L.A., some of the homeless campfires started from campers illegally hooking up to underground electricity outlets. That's what caused a fire in Hollywood.
The I-Team discovered that some of these encampment fires are apparently caused by homeless people tapping into city electrical wires under the sidewalk, meant to bring power to streetlights, and diverting the electricity into their tents.
Here are just a few recent wildfires started by drug-addled "homeless" campers.
Jan 7, 2025: Santa Ana Riverbed Fire one acre, destroyed tents, RVs, and at least 12 cars.
Nov. 14, 2024: Van Nuys, impacted commuters on freeways throughout San Fernando Valley.
May 2024: Hollywood Boulevard, aforementioned electrical fire, threatened nearby buildings.
Jan. 7, 2024: Hollywood, Cahuenga Pass, during high winds. Two cars and some trees were destroyed.
April 20, 2021: Venice Beach, one home was destroyed and a dog killed. Believed linked to a string of homeless encampment fires in the area.
There are more. A homeless encampment fire nearly got to the Getty Museum a few years back.
The response has been next to nothing by county and state officials. Gavin Newsom's plan to help the homeless has resulted in missing billions of dollars and a nearly doubling of the homeless population.
In October 2024, Joe Biden's Administration officially pronounced an end to controlled burns in California for fire mitigation.
[T]he U.S. Forest Service directed its employees in California to stop prescribed burning “for the foreseeable future,” a directive that officials said is meant to preserve staff and equipment to fight wildfires if needed.
The pause comes amid the crucial fall window for planned, controlled burns, which remove fuel and can protect homes from future wildfires — raising concerns that the move will increase long-term fire risks.
“There are two times in the year when it’s safe to do prescribed fire: in the fall right before the rains come, and in the spring when things are dry enough to burn but not dry enough to burn it in a dangerous way,” said Michael Wara, energy and climate expert at Stanford University. He worries half of the prescribed fire season on federal lands will be sacrificed because of this decision.
Though this doesn't impact what happened in Topanga Canyon, it tells you the mindset of these do-gooders.
In the Sacramento area, where a homeless camp sparked a 585-acre wildfire in June 2024, local officials were asked to provide homeless campers with firefighting equipment instead of telling the campers to get out.
You raised retards. Congrats. Should have taught them about common sense instead of abortion at the Thanksgiving table, Pops. You’d need your own common sense to do so, though.
If you could have been able to afford to live in California you would have voted for every local, county, state, and federal official responsible for this mess
Kind of hoping they do now. if so, your behavior on this board as their homes are in peril, and they are at best with family wondering if their homes are still standing, means you’re even more of a fucked up person than had you made up your tale of woe. Again, fascinating.
You do have kids. Two of them aren’t evacuated in LA metro though, Daddy of the Decade.
You should be worried about kids who don't have access to resources,
According to your own post, you’re sitting on your ass in San Diego, your kids are out of their homes, and all you’re doing is shitpoasting on a message board with 15ish active posters.
Daddy of the Decade!
I’m in Montana. Nothing I can do. I left your stupid west coast Dem policies almost two years ago.
Periodically I run outside to flail my arms at the sky too.
Meanwhile, I'm in San Diego, where we also live under various warnings of fire hazard due to wind and drought conditions, and where my LA County kids' sibling lives.
I promise to worry more than I already am though. I don't want to disappoint my most faithful stalker.
The dazzler once again is confusing Tug conservatives (and traditional old school liberals) with the US Chamber of Commerce. While Team Dazzler wants working middle class wages depressed by legal and illegal immigration, we don't. With much more limited illegal immigration in early 2020 we had record rising real wages along with little inflation and low energy prices. Now we don't - and the Team Dazzler solution is more illegal immigration. Never mind the printing press that is the US Treasury and Federal Reserve.
And once again Team Dazzler has no response to the dem policies that led to the fires. Just like with the Russian collusion hoax or the fucked up Covid response or the 2024 election result there is no introspection, no apology no policy changes. Just a doubling down on "messaging" which in dem speak is shut up the right with censorship and use the MSM as an arm of the DNC.
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I don't disagree about public land management. And you could actually make a stronger case about local governance if you chose to. I believe Pacific Palisades includes a state park, not USFS land; Eaton Canyon is an LA County recreation area.
Try starting a fire on the beach in Cali and get a visit from the police. Start a fire in a homeless camp and get some free drug paraphernalia and fire fighting equipment. Oh, and no need to pull a permit to hack into the electric grid. Only 24 reported homeless camp fires in LA responded to by the fire department. Nothing to see here. I'm still waiting for a huge summer fire in Portland's Forest Park started by a homeless camp.
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/01/08/what-started-las-firestorm-we-have-some-ideas-n4935774
What Started L.A.'s Firestorm? Hint: It's Not 'Climate Change.'Victoria Taft | 10:39 AM on January 08, 2025
Firefighters say that L.A.'s hellacious firestorm started at 10:30 Tuesday morning in Topanga Canyon. This paradise is — was? — filled with bespoke homes and came with built-in privacy — a rare commodity. People have been uprooted, their family memories are in ashes, and they have to find a place to sleep tonight. Evacuated entertainment stars such as James Woods, Ben Affleck, Eugene Levy, and more likely haven't had a chance to ask this secondary question: What started this fire?
First, any number of things could have started the fire that turned into a conflagration that destroyed untold numbers of homes and scorched at least 3,000 acres — and counting — of prime Los Angeles area real estate. Someone could have flicked a cigarette butt out the window. Car exhaust could have sparked dry brush on the side of the road. Arsonists have been known to purposely set fires in Southern California.
Or maybe it was the same thing that started fires in the past: homeless encampments.
In 2021, Topanga Canyon residents were so concerned with homeless encampments and fire danger that they ostensibly "banned" them. The L.A. County Board of Supervisors voted to ban homeless camps because cooking dinner or drugs outside in dry brush is a really dumb idea.
Film producer and conservative Mike Cernovich predicts that before the embers are put out of the Palisades fire, a Hollywood "sh*tlib" will blame it not on homeless encampments or an arsonist but on climate change.
Blaming these fires on "climate change" when there's little to no fire mitigation (clearing brush, trimming undergrowth, managing forests) and allowing millions of acre-feet of water to be washed out to sea are also really dumb ideas. Maybe these dumb ideas are what they mean by "man-made" climate change.
It's hard to ignore the record.
Fire officials say that homeless camp wildfires doubled from 2020 to 2023 to 13,909. There were 24 "homeless related" fires in LA County responded to every day of 2021.
According to NBC 4 in L.A., some of the homeless campfires started from campers illegally hooking up to underground electricity outlets. That's what caused a fire in Hollywood.
Here are just a few recent wildfires started by drug-addled "homeless" campers.
There are more. A homeless encampment fire nearly got to the Getty Museum a few years back.
The response has been next to nothing by county and state officials. Gavin Newsom's plan to help the homeless has resulted in missing billions of dollars and a nearly doubling of the homeless population.
Here's Cernovich again.
https://platform.twitter.com/embed/Tweet.html?dnt=false&embedId=twitter-widget-2&features=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%3D%3D&frame=false&hideCard=false&hideThread=false&id=1876800483278438543&lang=en&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fpjmedia.com%2Fvictoria-taft%2F2025%2F01%2F08%2Fwhat-started-las-firestorm-we-have-some-ideas-n4935774&sessionId=0ff7a98cfc1a5b58445176efd341d5d2e06487f5&siteScreenName=PJMedia_com&theme=light&widgetsVersion=2615f7e52b7e0%3A1702314776716&width=550pxIn October 2024, Joe Biden's Administration officially pronounced an end to controlled burns in California for fire mitigation.
Though this doesn't impact what happened in Topanga Canyon, it tells you the mindset of these do-gooders.
In the Sacramento area, where a homeless camp sparked a 585-acre wildfire in June 2024, local officials were asked to provide homeless campers with firefighting equipment instead of telling the campers to get out.
DEFEND RATS AT ALL COST
Yup and then we get the huge fire that is in the summer not fall or spring and 10 times worse.... so fing stupid.
You just vote for retards
I don't vote in California. I've resisted the temptation to commit voter fraud for decades now.
I bet your “kids” there do vote for Democrats.
You raised retards. Congrats. Should have taught them about common sense instead of abortion at the Thanksgiving table, Pops. You’d need your own common sense to do so, though.
So they exist again?
Make up your mind, lady.
If you could have been able to afford to live in California you would have voted for every local, county, state, and federal official responsible for this mess
You're not fooling anyone Doris
So they exist again?
Make up your mind, lady.
Kind of hoping they do now. if so, your behavior on this board as their homes are in peril, and they are at best with family wondering if their homes are still standing, means you’re even more of a fucked up person than had you made up your tale of woe. Again, fascinating.
You do have kids. Two of them aren’t evacuated in LA metro though, Daddy of the Decade.
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right . . .
Living in LA would be remarkably like living in Seattle.
I'm a Washington resident, but more of a snow bird these days.
No everyone isn't the same
You vote for retards here or there
Take responsibility for your shitty choices burning your imaginary kids out of their house
You should be worried about kids who don't have access to resources, PDX.
At least we know where the libs get insane talking points.
You should be worried about kids who don't have access to resources,
According to your own post, you’re sitting on your ass in San Diego, your kids are out of their homes, and all you’re doing is shitpoasting on a message board with 15ish active posters.
Daddy of the Decade!
I’m in Montana. Nothing I can do. I left your stupid west coast Dem policies almost two years ago.
Periodically I run outside to flail my arms at the sky too.
Meanwhile, I'm in San Diego, where we also live under various warnings of fire hazard due to wind and drought conditions, and where my LA County kids' sibling lives.
I promise to worry more than I already am though. I don't want to disappoint my most faithful stalker.
The dazzler once again is confusing Tug conservatives (and traditional old school liberals) with the US Chamber of Commerce. While Team Dazzler wants working middle class wages depressed by legal and illegal immigration, we don't. With much more limited illegal immigration in early 2020 we had record rising real wages along with little inflation and low energy prices. Now we don't - and the Team Dazzler solution is more illegal immigration. Never mind the printing press that is the US Treasury and Federal Reserve.
And once again Team Dazzler has no response to the dem policies that led to the fires. Just like with the Russian collusion hoax or the fucked up Covid response or the 2024 election result there is no introspection, no apology no policy changes. Just a doubling down on "messaging" which in dem speak is shut up the right with censorship and use the MSM as an arm of the DNC.
There's $25 BILLION unaccounted for from the homeless fund alone.