How about the actual Ukrainians? Was their negotiating position better before the war started? Two years ago? Today? When are the next elections? Why isn't Europe treating the Russians as an existential threat? What Russian proxies threaten the US? Why is the Ukrainian border more important than the US border? You can sift through this thread and those questions haven't been answered by Team Ukraine.
Bot did call reduced proxy effectiveness. Russia backed off either due to bandwidth or strategic decisions. Maybe a deal with Turkey was made here too. Who knows, but definetly we or anyone else should never trust the Turks.
Agreed. Letting a fundamentalist Islamic state into NATO is world class stupid. Keeping them in NATO is doubling down on stupid. Typical MIC thinking, that the money to be made by selling them NATO approved US military equipment is worth having an untrustworthy "ally".
Turkey is the big winner and Iran the big loser in all of this. TBD on Russia. Maybe they still end up with their port after it all settles down in 20 years.
Bingo. Some people seem to confuse me for a leftist.
IF you believe Israel's interests align with the US and/or that Iran's do not then this is a "win" for the US.
I'm with Trump on this one. Stay out and LIPO. The IDF is gonna crush Oregon's chances at a natty anyways so all we have to do is sit back and watch with popcorn.
I expect Trump to reapply sanctions on Iran which is all that's really necessary to prevent ISIS part 2.
Israel as we speak is blowing Syria the fuck up. Blowing up all the arms depots, etc. They will probably bomb any groups that even approach Lebanon or Golan heights too.
We have sanctions. The root for the away team just waives them and lets Iran spread the money and arms around to the other Muslim nutcases. Iran totally respects the dementia patient and his administration.
The Biden-Harris administration waived sanctions on Iran three days after the November election, providing Tehran access upward of $10 billion in once-frozen funds, according to a copy of the non-public order transmitted to Congress and reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon.
Biden basically took Iran and it's proxies off of life support.
Trump's going to luckily inherit the region post FAFO Israel. It's going to make peace deals even easier now that Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis are all either neutered or on their way there.
I'd expect an Abraham accords V2 from Trump with the Saudis and Israeli's completely isolating Iran and friends.
Turkey is really the only wild card per @Bob_C there's going to be a Kurdistan whether in name or de facto. Will Turkey block it or cut a deal? Erdogan likes Trump but this is also how UKR is to Russia. Who knows.
I expect the rest of the area to revert to tribal/militia control with no major power brokers interested. China would be the only other suitor but they have their own problems right now and more so with Trump coming in.
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Christians being rounded up. Girls being sold as sex slaves
The moderates in Syria
But they promised
I remember when Obama was sued for not allowing Christian refugees from Syria into the USA
How about the actual Ukrainians? Was their negotiating position better before the war started? Two years ago? Today? When are the next elections? Why isn't Europe treating the Russians as an existential threat? What Russian proxies threaten the US? Why is the Ukrainian border more important than the US border? You can sift through this thread and those questions haven't been answered by Team Ukraine.
Bot did call reduced proxy effectiveness. Russia backed off either due to bandwidth or strategic decisions. Maybe a deal with Turkey was made here too. Who knows, but definetly we or anyone else should never trust the Turks.
Again, how does reduced proxy effectiveness affect the US? What about Moldova?
I agree with you there. I’d argue that Turkey getting more control/influence of the region vs Russia is a net bad thing for the US.
Agreed. Letting a fundamentalist Islamic state into NATO is world class stupid. Keeping them in NATO is doubling down on stupid. Typical MIC thinking, that the money to be made by selling them
NATO approvedUS military equipment is worth having an untrustworthy "ally".Thank goodness they’re still in NATO.
What about the Kurds?!
Turkey is the big winner and Iran the big loser in all of this. TBD on Russia. Maybe they still end up with their port after it all settles down in 20 years.
I haven’t read any of this thread, and I’m not going to. Hiatus.
But that said, this bullshit has been going on over a decade.
Of course it’s about a natural gas pipeline. Did anyone actually believe it was about freedom?
RFKj first and right, again. From 2017.
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601/
I think it's more cultural with the nutty Islamist governments. If we had no interests in their oil they'd still want to blow us up.
Also Israel is the big winner in all of this.
Not listening to the Biden administration was the best thing Israel did
Bingo. Some people seem to confuse me for a leftist.
IF you believe Israel's interests align with the US and/or that Iran's do not then this is a "win" for the US.
I'm with Trump on this one. Stay out and LIPO. The IDF is gonna crush Oregon's chances at a natty anyways so all we have to do is sit back and watch with popcorn.
I expect Trump to reapply sanctions on Iran which is all that's really necessary to prevent ISIS part 2.
US has to stay out of these because if they backed a real democracy and freedom guy the people would hate him for being aligned with America
Iraq was the last straw on democracy at the barrel of a gun. I wish it did work
My larger point remains. An authoritarian sectarian is better than a true believer mullah
Once upon a time the CIA agreed
Destabilizing dictators to let jihadis win is stupid. And that has been the Obama Doctrine
Israel as we speak is blowing Syria the fuck up. Blowing up all the arms depots, etc. They will probably bomb any groups that even approach Lebanon or Golan heights too.
As they should.
We have sanctions. The root for the away team just waives them and lets Iran spread the money and arms around to the other Muslim nutcases. Iran totally respects the dementia patient and his administration.
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/days-after-trumps-victory-biden-harris-admin-granted-iran-10-billion-in-sanctions-relief-congressional-notice-shows/
Days After Trump's Victory, Biden-Harris Admin Granted Iran $10 Billion in Sanctions Relief, Congressional Notice ShowsAdam Kredo December 10, 2024
The Biden-Harris administration waived sanctions on Iran three days after the November election, providing Tehran access upward of $10 billion in once-frozen funds, according to a copy of the non-public order transmitted to Congress and reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon.
Yes, we agree.
Biden basically took Iran and it's proxies off of life support.
Trump's going to luckily inherit the region post FAFO Israel. It's going to make peace deals even easier now that Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis are all either neutered or on their way there.
I'd expect an Abraham accords V2 from Trump with the Saudis and Israeli's completely isolating Iran and friends.
Turkey is really the only wild card per @Bob_C there's going to be a Kurdistan whether in name or de facto. Will Turkey block it or cut a deal? Erdogan likes Trump but this is also how UKR is to Russia. Who knows.
I expect the rest of the area to revert to tribal/militia control with no major power brokers interested. China would be the only other suitor but they have their own problems right now and more so with Trump coming in.