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Syrian Civil War 2 - Middle East Boogaloo

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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,238 Founders Club

    Turkey is the big winner and Iran the big loser in all of this. TBD on Russia. Maybe they still end up with their port after it all settles down in 20 years.

  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    edited December 2024

    I haven’t read any of this thread, and I’m not going to. Hiatus.

    But that said, this bullshit has been going on over a decade.

    Of course it’s about a natural gas pipeline. Did anyone actually believe it was about freedom?

    RFKj first and right, again. From 2017.

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    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601/

  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,721 Standard Supporter

    I think it's more cultural with the nutty Islamist governments. If we had no interests in their oil they'd still want to blow us up.

  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,238 Founders Club

    Also Israel is the big winner in all of this.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,455 Founders Club

    Not listening to the Biden administration was the best thing Israel did

  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,549 Founders Club

    Bingo. Some people seem to confuse me for a leftist.

    IF you believe Israel's interests align with the US and/or that Iran's do not then this is a "win" for the US.

    I'm with Trump on this one. Stay out and LIPO. The IDF is gonna crush Oregon's chances at a natty anyways so all we have to do is sit back and watch with popcorn.

    I expect Trump to reapply sanctions on Iran which is all that's really necessary to prevent ISIS part 2.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,455 Founders Club

    US has to stay out of these because if they backed a real democracy and freedom guy the people would hate him for being aligned with America

    Iraq was the last straw on democracy at the barrel of a gun. I wish it did work

    My larger point remains. An authoritarian sectarian is better than a true believer mullah

    Once upon a time the CIA agreed

    Destabilizing dictators to let jihadis win is stupid. And that has been the Obama Doctrine

  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,238 Founders Club

    Israel as we speak is blowing Syria the fuck up. Blowing up all the arms depots, etc. They will probably bomb any groups that even approach Lebanon or Golan heights too.


    As they should.

  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,893 Standard Supporter

    We have sanctions. The root for the away team just waives them and lets Iran spread the money and arms around to the other Muslim nutcases. Iran totally respects the dementia patient and his administration.

    https://freebeacon.com/national-security/days-after-trumps-victory-biden-harris-admin-granted-iran-10-billion-in-sanctions-relief-congressional-notice-shows/

    Days After Trump's Victory, Biden-Harris Admin Granted Iran $10 Billion in Sanctions Relief, Congressional Notice Shows

    Adam Kredo December 10, 2024

    The Biden-Harris administration waived sanctions on Iran three days after the November election, providing Tehran access upward of $10 billion in once-frozen funds, according to a copy of the non-public order transmitted to Congress and reviewed by the Washington Free Beacon.

  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,549 Founders Club

    Yes, we agree.

    Biden basically took Iran and it's proxies off of life support.

    Trump's going to luckily inherit the region post FAFO Israel. It's going to make peace deals even easier now that Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis are all either neutered or on their way there.

    I'd expect an Abraham accords V2 from Trump with the Saudis and Israeli's completely isolating Iran and friends.

    Turkey is really the only wild card per @Bob_C there's going to be a Kurdistan whether in name or de facto. Will Turkey block it or cut a deal? Erdogan likes Trump but this is also how UKR is to Russia. Who knows.

    I expect the rest of the area to revert to tribal/militia control with no major power brokers interested. China would be the only other suitor but they have their own problems right now and more so with Trump coming in.