On sugar, my midwestern mother has a quite old Better Homes and Gardens cookbook. Subsequent copies have been purchased for my sister and me, but the recipes have changed over the years to where standard recipes now include higher sugar and salt than the version published 60+ years ago. It's pretty wild. I don't use it basically ever since we simply refuse to bake stuff, but they (mom/sister) still love to bake pies and other desserts from time to time. Guess which one of us has the lowest BMI?
I'll eat fast food occasionally but 95% of the time that is going to be no fries and me picking off nearly half the bun.
I look great, buddy. Ask around.
No one here is disagreeing that the Standard American Diet (SAD) is shit. What policy proposals are you making to get rid of the S.A.D. ? How are you gonna make them big ole SEC boys eat a Mediterranean diet and walk a few miles a day?
Are we gonna ban Coca Cola, Twinkies and wonder bread?
You personalize too much. Bobby Kennedy Jr looks great too
It’s about national health and what is being added to the food supply under the governments corrupt approval system.
I'm not making it personal at all Throbber. I'm simply pointing out there there are plenty of zip codes around the USA where obesity is non existent because of exercise and diet.
Again Bobby Jr banning HFCS - which he doesn't have the juice to do anyhow - isn't going to solve obesity in this country.
So I'm asking what are the policy proposals on the table that going to overhaul national health in America?
I noticed that too when I inherited the De_Jour family copy of the original Joy of Cooking - there was a lot more butter, eggs, etc. and you hardly saw mention of vegetable oil unless it was a salad dressing.
I love making things from scratch, but outside of the winter months, that’s really challenging to do. Our grandparents had more time to make quality meals, and cooking/baking is definitely a skill. One that’s not getting passed on as much, sadly. I think after I took Home Economics the class was axed in my school district due to budget cuts.
Nail on the head @Doog_de_Jour The affluent communities are generally living healthy lifestyles. How do you democratize that?
@DerekJohnson suggested placing it here originally if I recall correctly.
Your Google is broken? Or heavily censored?
Try Brave
Back when I was I youngster in the 1980s and 1990s we didn't need the internet to figure out how to be healthy.
There is more to this conversation. The Original MAHA thread started in TITTT. Ask me how I know.
I'm of the position the answer is neither bored. As a long tim Tug denizen, the MAHA conversation deserves better than that cesspool. Also, the conversation requires a 'political' element that is likewise inappropriate for the Shoppe.
The conversation deserves it's owen vestibule, imo.
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Tim for Health and Wellness Board with @pawz as moderator?
The Muddy Pawz Spa and Resort?
That’s fair. I can see the argument either way (EWIWBI?).We had similar issues when the @creepycoug Finance Board was still around. It’s tuff to not bring politics/government into certain topics.
So let’s keep the discussion higher level (RIP Pup)
Do you recall when the cigarette companies took over food?
Weird. Late 80s/early 90s
Fucking Vanilla…
Yella said - Nail on the head @Doog_de_Jour The affluent communities are generally living healthy lifestyles. How do you democratize that?
That’s the million dollar question, isn’t it? Rich people are always gonna have better shit, be it healthcare, schools, cars, college football programs, etc.
Things have been tried…
Food stamps/vouchers/WIC - I have no idea about the current effectiveness of those systems. When I was unemployed/broke, Uncle Sam always told me to fuck off - I apparently didn’t qualify at that point, which baffled me. I know they’ve tried to make it less prone to abuse (as a kid of the 90s many a political figure would scream, THEY’RE BUYING BOOZE WITH IT!)
Education - another dead end. How many variations of the food pyramid have we seen? Nutrition and Home Economics are non existent in most schools. We all gotta learn to code!
Labeling - Some improvements have been made. Consumers at least have a better idea of what they’re about to put in their mouth - even if it’s garbage.
RFK Jr. isn’t wrong in trying to take down a lot of this stuff. But as we all know, laws are useless unless they’re enforced. And who will make sure the food and beverage companies are compliant?
I think that might’ve changed. I believe Nestle and Tyson still own the largest share…maybe Pepsi and Kraft?
I don’t have Google. 😉
Those 1980's Oreos and Cocoa Puffs were so much healthier before Big Tobacco got involved.
In ancient times the wealthy were the fat ones since the peasants all starved. Race was there.
I too observe that people look much less healthy when I leave the suburban bubble. The suburban bubble isn't perfect but it is ahead of the game.
I hope this can stay out of the Tug but it definitely wades into a ton of government policy, and we haven't even gotten into the philosophical side of personal freedom and responsibility.
CNN suggested I was a HYPOCRITE for being hopeful about @RobertKennedyJr 's MAHA agenda, but opposed to Michelle Obama's food crusade in 2010. I still stand by what I said back at Fox. If I want to be a fat fat fatty and shovel French fries all day long, that's my choice. But the government shouldn't be LYING to us about the chemical poisons in our food.
Health insurance should be rated on obesity rather than age. That would make people get their fat asses in shape pretty damn quickly.
Originally I placed it in the Tug, and you said you wouldn't mind hosting it as long as it didn't get too Tug-related. So I moved it into the Shoppe.
I’ve often seen this take on this site and it’s a problematic one.
On one hand, I understand it. Obesity is one of the biggest contributors to other health conditions, and thus higher costs of care. But this isn’t like an insurance client picking an expensive red sports car or even smoking.
My concern is if you start doing that, without also giving people adequate resources to get healthy, you might have a ton of unintended consequences like people taking apart of dangerous crash diets or abusing drugs like Ozempic.
I didn’t have an issue with it. A couple of folks in this thread had mentioned that it’s the type of thread where finding the right home is tricky.
People are already abusing Ozempic and doing dangerous crash diets.
It would be pretty easy to tell people "get on a path and hit milestones on weight or your rates will go up." Maybe that's tough love, but what's being done now doesn't work, period. Doctors just stick people on endless prescriptions so that they can continue to live as fat slobs without making significant changes to what is causing their poor health. Car insurance insurance is rated based off of track record (eg making poor decisions that increase your risk as a driver to cause significant financial harm, etc). Why should health care not be the same (for controllable issues)?
Ozempic is the latest card trick from big Pharma to pump up earnings
Health insurance is truly another subject because it is so heavily regulated and has all sorts of must covers
It has nothing in common with a real insurance pool
Obamacare didn't change Healthcare it changed insurance
Not for the better
What's funny though is that our local White Wakanda Safeway has all the shit, poisoned food just like a Safeway in Salem would have. And yet obesity is non existent among the client base? Why is that?
We already factor in higher risk factors into other markets- e.g., credit scores, auto/life/home insurance, etc.
There's no question that obesity and Type II diabetes are costing the US economy billions (maybe over a trillion) per year.
I just don't know the solution of how to use government carrots and stick vis-a-vis obesity.
Time to petition for the tagline of this board to be "Being poor isn't an excuse"
I’m concerned that approach might just lead to more uninsured people if they can’t hit these milestones. But it might be worth a shot, because as you say, what society is doing now isn’t working.
And compliance/cutting off coverage isn’t unheard of - sleep apnea patients have breathing devices with tracking to make sure they’re being used, for example.
But as I said before, in order for that to have any shot of long term success, you need to give people support or at least something to kickstart them. Drug addicts get to go rehab - that’s covered by insurance usually, but is their something comparable for obese patients?
