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  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,764 Founders Club

    College football hasn't been very collegiate and it's been pretty hypocritical and complicated for a long time. The value of a degree isn't what is used to be, especially outside of the kinds of major a college football player isn't gonna be allowed the time/energy to pursue. The money got way bigger in the past 25 years and made not paying the players worse and worse and worse.

    I think the NCAA basically just caved and as long as the money is coming in for most no one cares and basically no one is running anything. Fleen and I were recently having dinner with one of the board members who was part of the group to rewrite college sports a few years ago and he disappointingly kind of just said well it's like pro sports now basically and the divisions have their own control or something really flimsy and thankfully someone else said it's actually way worse than pro sports. Pretty much confirmed my suspicions on what happened.

    I think the bigger union and contracts and caps shit hopefully is coming but until the money forces it I'll hold my breath. I also think programs will push the margins but it's a lot harder to do that when you have a threat of getting in trouble.

    I think there's little stuff they could easily fix now too like only allowing one transfer in a career if you're not transferring down a conference, mandatory compensation and bonus sharing from coaches with players, and any NIL contracts need to be public.

  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,764 Founders Club

    Most importantly the portal has and will be the biggest problems, much more than even unlimited bags for hs recruits. Bagging high schoolers you still had to scout and develop but now you can buy players who have already proven themselves at your level which is really fucking easy and prevents programs from having to rebuild at all, which was generally kind of a good part of college football.

    UW can only be so judgy on it all too as UW basically this year has a bough roster of transfers though it's because they really had no other choice since everyone took there's.

  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,513

    Yes, UW had to go after transfers because their roster was gutted by other schools (and guys going onto the NFL). That's much different than buying guys who go into the portal for the biggest payday.

    For instance come December (I think that's when the portal opens), Fisch and co won't need to hit the portal nearly as hard. They'll have to address shortcomings in Lake's and DeBoer's classes. For instance, when DeBoer was hired in late 2021 after the Lake debacle, he was only able to secure one OL (Brailsford) and Brailsford left to join DeBoer at Alabama.

    So there's a big difference between selectively using NIL to fill out a roster decimated due to coaching changes and spending massive amounts of money on guys jumping around to the highest bidder.

    I just think that most CFB enthusiasts want a level playing field as even the NFL (with hundreds of billions at stake every year) has a salary cap.

  • ukdawg
    ukdawg Member Posts: 208

    EXACTLY.

    Nobody wanted Penix he was a 3* dude with an terrible injury history. He followed Deboer and you could say we lucked into both of them. I'm talking big picture here, we can't count on being lucky.

  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,764 Founders Club

    Accurate. UW was in a really bad situation. They really couldn't afford DeBoer to leave even though he was a shitty recruiter. It's a great example of the fucked out nature of the current situation in that UW's best potential outcome once DeBoer left and they hired Fisch was to fully raid Arizona and instead only like 30% raided them and now both programs are mediocre. Sweet.

  • Maceothecat
    Maceothecat Member Posts: 87

    all of the salary cap talk is great and all, but that has nothing to do with nil. that toothpaste is out and on the floor.

  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 69,805 Founders Club

    @WoolleyDoog never upvotes my Seinfeld gifs.

    I shall confront him on the next pod.

  • WoolleyDoog
    WoolleyDoog Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,764 Founders Club

    I really, really like Seinfeld but I genuinely scroll right past any Seinfeld gif. I'm also just not a big gif guy in general if you notice I've never used one.