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You keep saying dictator. Orban isn't a dictator, and neither is Trump. You haven't read the stuff I've sent you and it shows. Autocracy and kleptocracy take many forms. The EU classifies Hungary as a "hybrid regime of electoral autocracy". Orban rose to power by getting elected and then hijacking and undermining previously democratic institutions (the free press, the judiciary, parliament, civil service), rewriting the constitution, and purging civil servants for loyalists. No, Trump won't be able to do these things to the extent Orban has, but he sure would like to, and he'll do his level best. He's tried already, he's got a grip on a partisan judiciary and a party of fealty in his sway. The old guard of McCain/Romney conservatism is gone. It's go time for Don's autocratic and kleptocratic ambitions. He's said as much (3 terms!, Orban lust, power of office to pardon federal charges, etc), proven as much (2 billion to Kushner from Saudi Arabia, massive tax cuts for the wealthy, $160 million earned from foreign countries during his presidency, pitched oil execs for a $1 billion campaign donation in exchange for loosened regs, etc), and the stated policy goals say as much (Schedule F, etc), the shit I've been talking about.
You're being swindled into voting an anti-democratic Orbanist kleptocrat into office again, this time with a plan. -
This is Saul Alinksky's playbook to a T but you've fallen for it. Projection.
Literally all things the democrats have been doing.
I've given you numerous examples of actual policies they did to implement exactly what you are claiming Trump Will do.
Remember when Biden purged the federal government and military of anyone that wouldn't take the jab? Gee, I wonder who that was aimed at.
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Like I said Ern hasn't refuted anything and that Hungary likes secure borders and not being told what to do by unelected EU officials. Imagine cleaning house of anti-American deep staters that tried to kick Trump out of office twice. That certainly isn't autocratic. Trump has lost money being president. Not exactly a kleptocracy unlike Biden families millions from Russians, Ukrainians and the chicoms. Kushner got to manage 2 billion and he is a hedge fund manager unlike Hunter. Hedge funds don't own the funds, they manage them. Dems certainly don't pitch public employee unions and teacher unions for funds plus the hundreds of millions that Zuckerberg threw into the 2020 dem race. Ern is singularly unaware of the lawfare aimed at Trump or else he approves of it. Ern is voting for dems that approve of dirty voting rolls, illegal aliens voting, no imposed internal controls on ballot chain of custody, and no ability to reconcile counted precinct votes to total mailed out ballots. Wanting an honest election is hardly anti-democratic. Wanting a dirty election is what is anti-democratic.
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We need Romney/McCain/Bush/Cheney to come back and save the party or we'll have a kleptocracy. Did I get that right?
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Funding Ukraine with tens of billions of untracked taxpayer dollars is the perfect present-day example of the current Kleptocracy yet those who support it pretend that it isn’t happening.
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The EU sucks and "right wing" politicians are winning because of it
Anyone that stands up to globalists is a threat to authoritarianism err democracy
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Someone get Ern a tin foil hat
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Someone have Ern take some logic classes. You don't win a debate with debating the conclusions. Ern's world salads are just stuffed with conclusions which he never applies to the dems. Republicans are authoritarian and kleptocrats but dems aren't so there.
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Alinsky, The Jab, and Biden purges. Lolz.
Gish gallop replies mean my time on this topic has come to an end. -
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McCain is rolling in his grave rn.
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What autocratic moves to rig elections? The ability to vote for a candidate that opposes open borders?
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Dems love Republican's that lose with class and that they didn't vote for post of the day (I didn't vote for him either).
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Seems like quite the indictment of the parliamentary system where a simple super majority i.e. democracy, can amend the Constitution.
Which side wants to remove the electoral college and dreams of pure proportional representation like the house instead of also having a senate?
Anyway, glad we live in a republic and one more argument against consolidation of federal power...
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I didn't either, but I'd vote for 2008 McCain over 2024 Biden right now, no questions asked. Quite possibly 2012 Romney, although Mormonism kinda turns me off, besides the whole unsullied virgin thing. Provo is Boner Jamz 5000 every time.
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When California has the same weight as Wyoming, something ain't right. I ain't gonna fight this topic, but c'mon now. California has 67x more people than Wyoming. It's silly, too silly.
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Are you advocating for a democracy? Rule by simple majority would be a disaster
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Can't make this shit up, throwing out warnings about Orban and autocracy while wishing to move to direct proportional representation.
Never seem to consider what happens if the right wins the popular vote in such a system.
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When California has the same weight as Wyoming, something ain't right. I ain't gonna fight this topic, but c'mon now. California has 67x more people than Wyoming. It's silly, too silly.
It limits the power of the federal government which is the whole point of our Constitution. If Cal wants to do something stupid, let them and they are. If the people of Wyoming don't want grade school drag queen hour and sexual mutilation of minors, let them. Using California in 2024 and their associated dem politicians as some shining example of the power of the Cali people, I'll pass and leave that lift to Ern. He should study some Greek history and how great pure democracy worked out.
PS Cali doesn't have the same weight in the House or in the electoral college as Wyoming. Hope that helps.
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Nah, I'm on your side when it comes to the Senate. Electoral votes though, ehhhh. Cali has 54 and Wyoming has 3. That's not 67x. A Wyoming citizen's vote is worth more than any other state's citizen's votes in this system, by far. Minority rule is not a great thing either. For the House, Cali has 52, Wyoming has 1. That's closer to reason, but it ain't 67x.
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Should we take out illegals from the census?
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McCain and Romney were NEVER conservatives…
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Wyoming, doesn't, Only in the Senate, Turbo
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Separation of powers and the checks and balances it requires is lost on communists.
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I misread and misspoke on my original reply. Whatever. The bicameral system is good. Senate is good. House is probably fine. Electoral college, ehhhh. If you wanna explain why someone losing the popular vote should be president, have at it.
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(Stupid Vanilla Aids quote box!)
Let me help…
California has proportional representation in the House of representatives to it's population. Waaaay more than Wyoming... congratulations!
California on the state level is 1/50 of states represented in the Senate and has proportional representation of 1/50th that was what you got and agreed to to be a part of the Union
It was designed to be this way so states like California and New york don't make the rules for 48 other states and overrun their sovereignty.
All 50 states are like little countries that formed a coop…that means cooperation together, it doesn't mean you get to take over.
It's a Union of states with equal representation in the senate and then each state gets to make it's own rules for it's state respectively and sends representatives based on population and demographics.
I know you lefty's don't like not being able to control everything but we let you ruin California already.
Commiefornia does have a bigger say than other states but they don't get to bully everyone else.
HTH
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See above.
I'm not Californian, btw. I'm Nevadan, probably gonna be Washingtonian again soon. -
Ok Nevadan, you used California as your comparison example. Doesn't change the fact that our founding fathers saw the lefty's coming when they created a constitutional republic instead of a democracy of mob rules.
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Your lack of self awareness is very endearing.
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Funny, I'm in Vegas as we speak …. Lot's of Trump fans here. Lots.
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